P35 Neo2-FR and VOIP card questions

Hi,
I'm evaluating buying this motherboard and would like to know a couple of things:
- Do all P35 Neo2-FR include ALC-888T codec instead of ALC-888? If not, how do I find out which ones do and which ones don't? I'm asking this because it clearly says "Optional" in the product web page, but it doesn't specify which ones have the ALC-888T codec
- If I understand correctly the only difference between ALC-888 and ALC-888T is VOIP card support, is this so?
- Has anyone tried using this MB with a VOIP card? How did it go? (Ease of installation, ease of use, sound quality, etc.)
- Are VOIP cards common? I just did a quick search at Newegg and I couldn't find any. Not a single one ???
- I think the P35 Diamond MB comes bundled with a VOIP card. I guess the P 35 Neo2-FR DOESN'T come bundled with one, am I correct?
- If anyone has bought a VOIP card to use with this board, where did you buy it and approximately how much did you pay for it?
Any help GREATLY appreciated

Thanks everyone for your replies.
Quote from: Maesus on 30-November-07, 14:51:39
that's only P35 Platinum, not P35 Neo2-FR :(
city_zen, is VOIP a must-have feature for you?
No, not really a must-have feature, but it would be a very nice thing to have on my board. I'd definitely use it if it was in fact available (i.e. ALC-888T) and I can get a hold of a VOIP card. However, it's looking like that's not very likely to happen ... Oh, well ...
Anyway, this is a very good board even w/o the VOIP feature, so I'm still considering buying it.

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Quote from: NovJoe on 26-April-08, 14:19:59
I would suggest that you run the system under stress test with graphics intensive games and see how it goes for a week.
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