P35 Neo2/FR raid performance ?

I'm trying to find some benchmarks of a 2 drive raid setup vs a single drive on this motherboard.
Can anybody point me in the right direction. Also does anybody know if it's actually worth doing raid on the board with 2 drives?
Thanks

The operating system has to switch the driver when you change the controllers operating mode. The Generic Drivers that come with Vista are not the best. The Intel ICH9R RAID Drivers cannot be installed until the controller is switched to RAID mode as until then there is nothing they can work with.
The Best and cleanest way to solve this problem is to reinstall Vista when the controller is already operating in RAID mode and integrate the Intel ICH9R SATA RAID Drivers during the Vista Setup Routine. You can also try a Vista Repair Installation.

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P35 neo2-fr & raid drivers at initial install of xp pro

I have a neo2-fr mobo and when I go to install xp pro with a raid setup I get a blue screen of death after initial setup files are loaded b/c the raid drivers and sata drivers will not install at setup, it will load the drivers at the F6 screen of install the os but not at the install of the setup files for win xp pro. Can anyone help me on this, it is not my floppy or floppy drive, i have made 10 different floppies and tried 6 different floppy drives. it will not load the intel drivers at the setup screen of the install..
thanks for all replies

steeda1974, don't get me wrong, I am trying to help you and in order to do that, I need as much information from you as possible. That is why I am asking you questions. Please answer them and help me to help you. It is no fun to ask every question twice and to repeat suggestions. One last try:
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antec trio 650w
Question:
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Please also provide PSU Specs (brand, model, amperage limits on all power rails (+12V, 5V, 3.3V).
-> What is the error message (STOP ERROR) that appears on the bluescreen?
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4. ICH9 sata raid controller (intels driver for the new chipsets, downloaded the one from intel and the one from msi)
-> Your board has an ICH9R SATA RAID Controller. Please triple check, that you choose the right driver. Make sure you have really scrolled down the list you get during Windows Setup because, as I said, none of the three drivers that are listed on top of the list (without scrolling) are the correct drivers for your board.
Please try this and post back results:
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If you can't get XP to install by using a floppy disk to load controller drivers, download NLite and integrate the drivers into a custon install CD. That way you do not need a floppy disk. If you decide to do that, use the driver package I attached to my first reply in this thread.

P35 Neo2 - OS died, need help restoring RAID after re-install of XP

I have a P35 Neo2 with on-board Intel RAID. I need a bit of help getting a two drive RAID going again after reinstalling XP.
Here's my situation:
Same hardware, MB, etc. I originally set up the system with a 20gb IDE and two 320gb SATA drives. I put the OS on the 20gb, and set the two 320's up as a RAID. I partitioned the 320's into 200gb + 120gb sections on each drive. The 200gb partitions were mirrored between the two drives, and the remaining 120gb on each drive was used as non-RAID storage space.
I picked up a nasty virus-spyware a month or two ago that I was struggling to find a fix for when the OS began to BSOD. I put the 20gb IDE to the side, and put a 40gb IDE in it's place. I re-installed XP on it last night, and now need to get the RAID up and running again.
I went into Disk Management and it showed three dynamic drives with a yellow triangle icon and labeled 'foreign'. I right clicked and found an option to 'import'. I clicked on import and a window popped up showing all of the partitions and logical drives I had previously created on the two drive RAID. I figured I was in business, so I clicked OK.
Disk Management now shows one dynamic disk as 'Online', but still shows two as 'Foreign'. If I right click on them, and chose import, I get the same window showing my partitions and logical drives, but if I click OK, I get a warning message that: "Some of the volumes you are importing will lose data because you have not moved all of your disks to the system."
I'm in over my head at this point, so any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
GeoD

A 200gb partition is restored, but the 120gb is not, which is confusing. ALso, when I look at the logical drives in the partition, I'm beginning to think I had the 200gb mirror /120 gb storage backwards. The data restored is not something I would be concerned with losing. It's installed applications, and multimedia files that I could lose without worry.
There is also 70gb dynamic drive labeled Missing. I know I left a small portion of all three of the drives unallocated as a reserve, so that must be what this is. It's like the RAID info is incomplete which leads me to the next piece of info.
Something I didn't initially mention for the sake of brevity, was when I right-clicked on 'Import Disk' the applet noted the disk was 3/3. I assumed that meant disk 3 of 3 disks. I've since begun to wonder if I imported the disks in the wrong order. ie) I should have imported disk 1/3 first.
Do you know how to clear out Disk Mgt's info, so I can start over?
I also noticed only one of the 320 SATA's shows up in Device Mgr, (DM). What I found both confused me and encouraged me.
When I created the array, I named the the drives RAID0 and RAID1. They both show up in DM. But only one of them shows up as the drive model: WDC WD3201ABYS-01B9A0. There should be two of them.
The OS knows there should be a RAID, but for some reason only one of the drives show up as hardware. I rebooted and checked the data and power supply cables, (connected), the BIOS, (both drives show up) and both drives show up in Disk Mgt. Just not in DM.
Does that mean the HD has died?
Part of my difficulty is I had a brain injury in 2001, followed by another in 2003. The 2nd injury caused 6 months of what the docs call it a walking coma - I walked and talked, but have no memory of the time.
When I 'woke up' in the Fall of 2003, I found I had lost considerable cognitive function and other problems. These problem have ended up disabling me, (I'm now on SS Disability).
Until then I had been a 'System Admin' for micro-businesses, (max - 15 computers). I built systems and servers, installed networks, maintained them and did all the support. Basically I was these company's Sys Admin on an as-needed basis.
One thing I lost was the ability to troubleshoot and repair hardware. Combined with other cognitive problems, I was forced into closing my business. At the time, I was maintaining close to fifty offices; ~20 had Peer-to-Peer networks & ~20 had servers I had built.
What's doubly frustrating is I was just getting ready to sign up with an online backup service when I got hit with a nasty malware/virus that's so new there's no info on the 'net about it. I got entangled in trying to fix it and spaced out the online back up. Now I find myself in a situation where I desperately need to restore the data on these RAID drives. Because of the memory problems I now have, I completely depend on my computer as an auxiliary 'brain' - I have stuff on these drives that I have to have.
I didn't do much with RAID when I was still in the biz, and this is the first time I've had problems with a RAID of my own, so I'm struggling to figure this stuff out.
Should I be able to install one of these drives by itself so I can get the data from it? The way I understand the theory of RAID is that if one drive dies, you can put another in and the mirrored portion will re-create itself on the new drive. Couldn't that be a way to get the important data off the drive or drives if they don't want to go back together as a RAID?
I could back each up to the online service and then just rebuild them. Not my first choice, but it would reduce my stress level if I thought I could do it.
Sorry to go on, but now you can see why I'm both struggling & worried.
Thanks for any info or help.
Later,
GeoD

MSI P35 Neo2-FR - Will this work??

Hi,
I am planning a new system, after my current one is a little dated. Here is an outline of what I am planning to build: -
CPU - Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz SLACR G0
M/B - MSI P35 Neo2-FR
RAM - Ballistix DDR2 PC2-8500 5-5-5-15 Unbuffered NON-ECC (4x 1GB)
G/C - INNO3D GeForce 7300GT 256MB DDR2 PCI-E
I am not needing it for gaming, but more for production work (Graphic design, Illustration and video editing).
I have a few questions if anyone can answer them for me?
Is the RAID facility on board a hardware RAID or software RAID. Since its provided by the Northbridge I am pressuming its software.
How many SATA ports can be used at any one time. For example, does using the 2x eSATA ports, reduce the amount of on board ports you can use? (Like some USB ports?).
If I wanted to use a SATA DVDRW connected to the southbridge SATA port, would I be able to boot from it?
I can see many people have had problems with installing Vista on this board, can anyone see any compatability issues with my proposed setup?
Many thanks!!!
Phil

Quote from: Hans Gruber on 28-November-07, 19:07:02
The only compatability issue would be with your 7300gt card. That's hardly enough power to run a game let alone graphics editing. You would be much better served with an 8800gt to perform video editing.
Hi Hans, the 7300 is the same card used in the Mac G5's used in my place of employment for graphic design / video editing. Although some have the 8800GT as well, this is the card used in the majority of the machines. I am sure it will be ok but you reassured one of my existing concerns. I can always upgrade this if it doesnt cut the grain!
Thankyou!!!
Quote from: Maesus on 28-November-07, 19:33:33
Please spend some time to read the moan guide if you haven't.
Yeah not much on there with regards to my post. Cheers but I did read it before I posted.
Quote from: Maesus on 28-November-07, 19:33:33
0. All of your answers are here: http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=proddesc&prod_no=1261&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=170 you just need to read line by line and you shouldn't miss the answers.
was already a bookmark in my browser as I have been researching it for a while now. Just wanted clarification on a few things hence my post.
Quote from: Maesus on 28-November-07, 19:33:33
1. It's ICH9 RAID. It's southbridge, not northbridge. It's hardware RAID.
ICH9 provides a RAID facility is software RAID using Intel Matrix Storage Manager. The CPU processes the parity for RAID 5.
Quote from: Maesus on 28-November-07, 19:33:33
2. you can max up the SATA ports. How many is on this board? 6 SATA ports? you can use them all.
There are 2x eSATA ports (I am pressuming from the ICH9), and 4x SATA on the ICH9, and 1x SATA on the 88SE6111. What I was trying to ask is do the 2x eSATA ports render 2 of the ICH9 ports unavailable?
Quote from: Maesus on 28-November-07, 19:33:33
2a. USB ports does NOT reduce the total amount of USB ports to use, where did you get that info or having that impression??
I worded this completely wrong. My bad..... I have had motherboards before where if you connect a usb back plane to the USB header on the main board, it simply stops you using some of the USB's on the rear panel. This is simply like a redirect to allow you to plug USB devices in to the front of your PC case instead of reaching around the back for it rather than allowing you to add additional ports. This is what I was trying to ask, If I am to use the 2x eSATA ports does that mean that it renders 2x of my onboard SATA ports obselete.
Quote from: Maesus on 28-November-07, 19:33:33
3. Yes
Thankyou
Quote from: Maesus on 28-November-07, 19:33:33
4. it's not really compatibility issue, but more of Vista's own issue, just that you need to do the right step to get Vista installed. Quad Core + 4GB, well, microsoft acknowledge the Vista installation issues with this config. You will need Vista 64-bit, but start installing with 1GB or 2GB. After completing installation, install microsoft quad core and 4GB patches, then only plug in the remaining 2GB.
Thankyou

Problems with Pioneer burners and AHCI mode on P35 Neo2-FR (ICH9R)

Well, I did my best to make my two Pioneer SATA DVR-215s work with ICH9R in AHCI mode (changed cables, ports, power supplies, rails, set AHCI SATA ports to none in BIOS, upgraded to latest BIOS and Intel drivers) but nothing seems to solve the issue that burners just do not work properly when Intel controller is in AHCI mode. If ICH9R is set to IDE mode, everything is working properly. If not - burns fail, randomly stop, burners disappear from explorer and device manager with: The device 'PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-215 ATA Device (...) disappeared from the system without first being prepared for removal. and The device, \Device\Ide\IdePort7, did not respond within the timeout period. Now my question is : is this a know issuse with ICH9R - or is this specific to Neo2-F(I)R (guess that it goes for Platinum as they share BIOS) or is it Pioneer fault? Firmware is updated tol atest...
My spec:
Intel Core2Duo 4600
MSI P35 Neo2-FR
4x1 GB DDR2 800 Geil Ultra 4-4-4-12@2V
Chieftec 450W
Seagate 320 GB
XFX 8600GT
edit: forgot - Vista Ultimate SP1 32bit
etc...
Someone?

Yes, the ICHxR series have had issues in the past. I thought they fixed that on the newer series by making ports 5-6 non-AHCI. I have had issues with it booting for installing windows, but once in windows, it seems to work fine for me. Luck me though, my board has the JMicron controller ports (usually blue or an off color). if you have an off color SATA port, that port will be for optical drives or other devices.
also, I see you only list one HD. are you runing RAID? if not I don't think you gain any advantage with AHCI. AHCI is more for RAID setups and you'll need drivers to run them. regular IDE mode needs no extra drivers and usually perform better as the AHCI driver overhead usually puts an extra load on the drives and slows it back down.
If you're unsure, re-check the owners manual. it often covers odd setup configurations in there.
-=Mark=-

P35 Neo2-F Sata2 Raid1 problems

hello
i have some problems with MSI P35 Neo2-F mb...
I can't make it work with 2 sata2 Hard Drives in RAID1 mode
Last BIOS update done,
The install of the OS (win xp prof sp2/sp3) is ok, but if you want to format last partition of RAID drive it cames with blue screen and restart - after restart it said that the Raid Matrix is demaged - and won't boot... "please select PROPER BOOT DEVICE"
VOLUMES
ID NAME LEVEL STRIP SIZE STATUS BOOTABLE
0 VOLUME0 RAID1 (MIRROR) N/A 149GB FAILED NO
PHYSICAL DISKS:
PORT DRIVE MODEL SERIAL # SIZE TYPE/STATUS (VOL ID)
2 ST3160813AS 149.1GB ERROR OCCURED(0)
3 ST3160813AS 149.1GB ERROR OCCURED(0)
Raid Volume = 160x2 = RAID1 MODE 149GB - split in 3 parts (50Gb each)
Any suggestion is welcome...
Proc Intel Dual Core E5200 (2,5Ghz/800fsb/2mb)
Memories: Desktop Memory KVR800D2N5/2G KINGSTON (DDR2,2GB,800MHz,Non-ECC CL5) or
KVR800D2N5K2/4G KINGSTON (DDR2,4GB 2x2gb DC,800MHz,Non-ECC CL5)
VGA: WinFast PX8400 GS Silent
HDD: 2 x SEAGATE Barracuda 7200.10 (3.5",160GB,8MB,SATA II-300) ST3160813AS
RAID 1
POWER COOLER MASTER Extreme Power Plus 460W
fdd DRIVE - for instaling with F6 - raid drivers
Optical LG DVDRW DL ata/ide

Hello,
How old are the drives?
Try a full write 0 on both drives and see what happens after.
http://hddguru.com/content/en/software/2006.04.12-HDD-Low-Level-Format-Tool/
You will need a working pc to do this.
Take both drives out and run HDDGURU LLF tool on them, this will do the write 0.

Need Help with ESATA on MSI P35 Neo2-FR

I have the MSI P35 Neo2-FR motherboard http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=&cat3_no=&prod_no=1261 and trying to get the eternal ESATA to work. It works with one individual HD. I'm using an external ESATA drive with 3 HD inside the external case with one cable running into the external ESATA in the back of the motherboard. It's only recognizing 1 drive and the other 2 isn't showing up. If I switch it to USB connection it will read all 3 drives. I'm running windows 7 x64 but it recognize on my other 2 computers with a different motherboard. I have install it with the ACHI setup in Bios and I've also install the Matrix Storage Controller after installation. I never install the Intel ICH9R SATA RAID driver where you have to press the F6 to install it. Is that what I'm missing and is taht needed for the ESATA to work? I'm getting this message "A storage device was connected. If this device is a port multiplier, only port 0 of the port multiplier will be active." Been googling all day and still can't figure out what I'm missing.
Any help would greatly be appreciated.

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For some reason this board is Bios only have IDE, RAID and ACHI and I don't see a SATA.
IDE, RAID and AHCI are operating modes of the SATA Controller. Everything okay here.
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Seems to me it's either this board and it's driver don't let you use the port multiplier but it suppose to support port multiplier.
It is neither the board, nor is it the driver. It is a limitation of the Intel ICH9R Chipset. You will have the same problem on all P35/ICH9R based mainboards. Read here:
http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-788-view-intel-technology-matrix-RAID-and-port--multiplier.html
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Unfortunately, used in the south bridges ICH9R the version of such technology provides access only to one hard disk at the specific moment of time. . The technology became more complex to realize , which implies to several access disks simultaneously, possesses higher cost and more higher central processor loads , therefore it can be rejected.
Here is the same problem on a Gigabyte GA-P35-DQ6:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11892094
Nothing you can do about it.

P35 Neo2-FR / Marvell Controller problem. - DVD/CD Burning

I think this is hardware related and more like limitation of the model rather than one faulty motherboard.
My setup is
P35 Neo2-FR / E8400 / WinXP
I have all 4 intel SATA for RAID so I've used Marvell controller for my DVDRW. 1st was NEC drive IDE and while it read disc fine it couldn't burn any CD/DVDs
I thought it was faulty DVDRW so I've bought a new samsung SATA burner. It has SAME exact problem. Cannot start burning.
I've tested the same unit with different computer, and of course it works.
I'm sure not many people have similar spec as mine (4 SATA HD RAIDS) so this might go unnoticed but I find it a very serious problem.

Quote from: larciel on 12-February-08, 07:08:08
I just found out that it is actually reported as SCSI.
SCSI\CDROM&VEN_TSSTCORP&PROD_CDDVDW_SH-S203B&REV_SB02\5&2A9ABE04&0&040
That's the DEVICE_ID for the Drive.
You might be right. This might be issue with Raid and Marvell conflicting.
I use Lastest driver for all of them. I actually use DriverPacks from DriverPacks.net
Just trying to see if anyone have same config as mine so I can know that this is driver issue and not hardware issue.
You could disconnect your raid setup and attach your burner to a Intel SATA port and see what the Intel controller thinks about your burner. Bios in none raid mode and fast boot disabled so you can see whats going on.
Boy there is another possible problem. I would never use the DriverPacks on hardware that I can get drivers for manually. Did you slipstream the DriverPack into your XP disk? I have seen the wrong drivers used and or mis configured when doing so.

Msi p35 neo2 fr motherboard - system freezes

Hello , I just bought a Msi p35 neo2 fr motherboard and I have this problem . My system randomly freezes ,no errors ,no blue
screens and I have to restart it . I tried each module of ram separately and I got the same problem .
The video card worked fine on my old system and I don`t think this could be . Also the standby led (led 3 ) is always on and red
Maybe I messed up the " wire up " . I could use some tips about how to properly wire up and which settings should be done in BIos for my configuration ?
Msi p35 neo2 fr
PSU Sirtec HPC-430-P12S V2.2
2x1 gb Geil pc6400 800 mhz
video geforce 6200 128 mb
hdd sata 120 gb

from the User Manual:
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Spread Spectrum
When the motherboard’s clock generator pulses, the extreme values (spikes) of the
pulses creates EMI (Electromagnetic Interference). The Spread Spectrum function
reduces the EMI generated by modulating the pulses so that the spikes of the pulses
are reduced to flatter curves. If you do not have any EMI problem, leave the setting at
[Disabled] for optimal system stability and performance. But if you are plagued by EMI,
select the desired range for EMI reduction. Remember to disable Spread Spectrum
function if you are overclocking, because even a slight jitter can introduce a temporary
boost in clock speed which may just cause your overclocked processor to lock
up."

MSI P35 Neo2-FR: CPU vs core temperature

Hi. I've switched to a P35 Neo2-FR from a P35 Neo-F. The Neo2 was so cheap I couldn't resist. The board is fantastic so far. Great features, overclocking and performance for the price. Thumbs up for MSI
I was quite familiarised with the P35 Neo-F and inmediately noticed something weird with the new mobo. It has to do with temperatures. I know that temperature measuring software is making just guesses and that looking at them is a bit of looking into the unknown. This is why I don't care too much about what these programs have to say about temperatures.
BUT the board's SmartFan feature looks at CPU temperature for throttling the CPU fan. Throttled fan = noise, and I do care about the noise, so I care now about reported CPU temperature.
Weird thing is that reported CPU temperature is wrong in the Neo2-FR I think. These are my current temperatures (18º C room temperature):
As you can see, CPU temperature is higher than any of the core's temperatures. The reported core temperatures are as accurate as these things can be, as there is consensus about them among the big dogs in temperature monitoring (SpeedFan, Everest and CoreTemp), and I remember quite well that in my old P35 Neo-F CPU temp was always lower than any of the cores ones. It is my understanding that this is how it should be (ie., cores are always hotter than whatever is reported as CPU temp), and with this board temperatures are always the other way.
I've searched the BB and found very little about this CPU temperature issue on the Neo2-FR, but I'm wondering if this beta update means it is a known issue. It includes, among others, this fix:
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*Adjust CPU temperature(06FB).
BOSSKILLER says that this means it fixes wrong temperature reporting on Q6600 (which is the processor with 0x6FB CPUID), but now RealTemp says that my E6750's CPUID is also 0x6FB:
I don't dare to install a beta version of a BIOS, but does this mean that CPU temp reading is wrong in current BIOS version and that next BIOS version will fix it so CPU fan doesn't kick in noisy mode too early? Anyone with the flawed report processors installed this beta BIOS and can tell how are the new CPU temperature readings?
Thanks and regards

Quote from: darkangel230 on 02-May-08, 01:25:08
That beta bios you're talkin, i've had it "installed" on my board
Only thing it does it report CPU temp 10 degrees cooler than Cores.
That 10 degrees drop on CPU temperature made it into the final 1.9 version of the BIOS. See:
Should I contact MSI about this? Will they care?
Oh dear!

P35 Neo2/FR and Nostromo n52

I recently built a new system (x-mas present to myself)...
P35 Neo2 / FR
core2 duo E6850
corsair xms2 2gig (twin2x2048-6400c4)
western digital caviar HD 250gig
lite on DVD burner
XFX 8800gt
XP pro with SP2C OEM
and I stuck it all in a coolermaster CM690 with extreme power duo 650W PS. I'm reusing my current input devices and monitor. I am not overclocking.
Everything works fine except for my Nostromo n52. I can install the latest nostromo drivers/software (version 3.2.4) and device manager shows everything installed and working, but as soon as I plug the N52 in any usb port I instantly get a blue screen BUGCODE_USB_DRIVER crash. One time I got DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL. I also tried using the older drivers that origionally came with the install CD with the same BUGCODE result. I tried reinstalling XP and chose the repair option thinking that might help but no luck. I downloaded/installed the latest drivers for the mobo from MSI website. The n52 works fine on the asus A7N8X setup that this computer is replacing so i know its functioning.
I though of trying to flash the BIOS to v1.6 since my mobo has v1.4, but I'm a bit reluctant to risk screwing it up being the bios descriptions of what was changed don't appear as though it would help my problem.
Any one run into a similar problem? I can live without my n52 if I have to, but after several years it feels odd not having it under my left hand. Any help/tips/tricks are welcome.

Here is the new situation which is actually the same old situation. I reformated my hard drive and reinstalled win XP pro (sp2). I then installed motherboard drivers and updated XP from windows update. Then I downloaded and installed the latest audio, ethernet, and INF drivers from the MSI website. I didn't install the raid drivers. I downloaded n52 drivers (3.2.4) from belkin website and installed them. I got the little blue icon installed in my system tray that I can use to open the loadout manager and launch editor for the n52. I then checked device manager for any new entries under HID/keyboard/mouse and there were none. I then plugged my n52 into a USB port and windows started giving me those little popup bubbles near the system tray stating new hardware is found. They pop up and disappear faster then i can write it all down, but the last one to popup was `nostromo n52 HID speed pad 2.0 mouse wheel` and then the system crashed to a blue screen BUGCODE_USB_DRIVER error. I then unplugged the n52 and rebooted. I booted to the desktop with the little blue icon still in the system tray. I plugged the n52 back in and DIDN"T crash. I checked device manager and under mouse I have `HID compliant mouse` listed twice, under keyboard I have `HID keyboard device` listed, and under HID I have `HID compliant game controler`, `nostromo n52 HID speed pad 2.0`, and ` nostromo n52 HID speed pad 2.0 mouse wheel` listed. Nothing was showing as being in conflict. I then loaded the game Lord of the Rings Online and played for 5 minutes with the nostromo seeming to work fine. I then logged out of the game and rebooted the computer. A few seconds after rebooting to the desktop the system crashed to BUGCODE_USB_DRIVER. Now the computer crashes the instant i plug in the n52 or upon reaching the desktop if its already plugged in. At the moment i still have the n52 drivers installed but i have the device unplugged.
Yes Maesus, I have reformated and reinstalled XP twice in the last 2 weeks. The computer is only 2 weeks old
NovJoe, the only other USB devices I have are my mouse and a headset/mic I use for ventrillo. I can plug and unplug either of them into any usb port with no problems.
On a side note I noticed something that seems a bit strange but didn't think much of it. Is it normal for device manager AND My Computer to show floppy disk drive A: even though I have NO FLOPPY INSTALLED? This is the first computer I ever had that didn't have a floppy drive so I never would have noticed this before. Both entries will vanish if I disable floppy in the BIOS.

MSI P35 Neo2 Fir Patriot Memory Problems.

Hi,
Having problems with my Patriot Performance PC2-6400 Low Latency Memory DDR2 (800mhz) 4-4-4-12, 2,2v, 2 * (2gb(2*1GB)kit) =4gb total
on a MSI P35 Neo2 Fir moderboard with Intel Q6600 cpu)
When i check the memory with CPU-Zv1.44 the memory only goes with the frequencys of
DRAM Frequenzy 399.5mhz
FSb : Dram 2:3
Cas# latency 5.0 clocks
Ras# to Cas# delay 5 clocks
Ras# Precharge 5 clocks
Cycle Time 16 clocks
Why doesn't they go in 4-4-4-12 frequencys ???
Have tried to manually change dram timing in bios but no success
so i went back to auto dram timing.
What can i do to get the 4-4-4-12 timings.
Please help.
thanks in advance swefin

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When i check the memory with CPU-Zv1.44 the memory only goes with the frequencys of
DRAM Frequenzy 399.5mhz
~400 MHz is the correct frequency for your modules. CPU-Z shows real clock speed. DDR means Double Data Rate (two transactions per clock cycle). Multiply 399.5 MHz by two in your head and you have your effective DDR(2) rating of 800 MHz. There is no problem here.
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Why doesn't they go in 4-4-4-12 frequencys Huh
Have tried to manually change dram timing in bios but no success
so i went back to auto dram timing.
What can i do to get the 4-4-4-12 timings.
CL5 is the standard latency for DDR2-800 modules. It ensures that they are able to operate @JEDEC standard voltage settings @1.8V (+/-0.1V). The board is supposed to set memory timings to CL5, otherwise your system would not be able to boot at standard voltage. Check the "SPD" tab in CPU-Z and look for the standard timings that were programmed into the SPD chips of your modules (400 MHz), I am absolutely sure that you won't see 4-4-4-12 @400 MHz @1.8V being part of the SPD tables.
You have to manually adjust memory timings in BIOS to 4-4-4-12 AND also increase memory voltage to the value the manufacturer recommends for CL4/DDR2-800 MHz. The voltage is usually 2.0-2.2V depending on the brand and type of RAM in use.

MSI P35 Neo2-FR and GeForce 8800GT?

Hello,
I am interested in buying MSI P35 Neo2-FR motherboard, and also the latest GeForce 8800GT. But after doing some research I notice that many people have having problems installing their 8800GT card into motherboards with a PCI-E 1.0a slots, and the Neo2-FR has 1.0a slots! However there seem to be exceptions, some motherboards with 1.0a slots work with 8800GT!
This is all very confusing
Can anyone verify that MSI P35 Neo2-FR motherboard and GeForce 8800GT (With PCI-E 2.0!) works in the 1.0a slot??
Thank you.

According to many sources, both personal and documentary, PCI-e 2.0 cards will work in PCI-e 1.X slots(Wikipedia is not exactly what I would consider a super source). Here's a more official source, PCI-SIG.
http://www.pcisig.com/news_room/faqs/pcie2.0_faq/
Quote from: PCI-SIG
Q4: It sounds as if both speed grades are supported in the PCIe 2.0 specification?
A4: The PCIe Base 2.0 specification supports both 2.5GT/s and 5GT/s signaling rates, in order to retain backward compatibility with existing PCIe 1.0 and 1.1 systems. Aside from the faster bit rate, there are a number of improvements in this new specification that allow greater flexibility and reliability in designing PCIe links. For example, the interconnect can be dynamically managed for platform power and performance considerations through software controls. Another significant RAS feature is the inclusion of new controls to allow a PCIe link to continue to function even when some lanes become non-operational.
Q5: Then PCIe 2.0 must be backward compatible with PCIe 1.1 and 1.0?
A5: Yes. The PCIe Base 2.0 specification supports both the 2.5GT/s and 5GT/s signaling technologies. A device designed to the PCIe Base 2.0 specification may support 2.5GT/s, 5GT/s or both. However, a device designed to operate specifically at 5GT/s must also support 2.5GT/s signaling. The PCIe Base specification covers chip-to-chip topologies on the system board. For I/O extensibility across PCIe connectors, the Card Electromechanical (CEM) and ExpressModule™ specifications will also need to be updated, but this work will not impact mechanical compatibility of the slots, cards or modules. Currently, the PCI-SIG is defining the PCIe CEM 2.0 specification which has been released to members for review at v0.5. There are currently no plans to adapt the PCIe Mini CEM specification for the faster bit rate as the market need has not yet materialized.
Quote from: >>About PCI-SIG<<
Formed in 1992, PCI-SIG (originally formed as the Peripheral Component Interconnect Special Interest Group) is the industry organization chartered with the development and management of the PCI bus specification, the industry standard for a high-performance I/O interconnect to transfer data between a CPU and its peripherals. As part of that charter, the organization aims to do the following:
Support new requirements
Preserve backward compatibility for all PCI revisions
Maintain the specification as an easy-to-implement, stable technology
Contribute to the technical longevity of PCI
Support the establishment of PCI as an industry-wide standard

What is the difference between P35 Platinum and P35 Neo2 FIR?

What is the difference between P35 Platinum and P35 Neo2 FIR?
P35 Platinum
P35 Neo2 FIR
BIOS is identical?

The P35 Neo2 is FIR is actually listed as P35 Neo2 FR/FIR. It is what you could call a "modular mainboard". Even if it has the same PCB as the P35 Platinum mainboard, it doesn't necessarily mean, that it will always come with the same features.
If you look at the mainboard manual you will find that the ICH9R-Chipset and Firewire are mentioned as optional features. That means you will be able to purchase versions of this mainboard that will only have an ICH9 chipset and therefore won't support RAID or that don't have a firewire interface.
The abbreviation F,I and R have the following meaning:
F...Gigabit LAN
I... Firewire
R...RAID
In case you decide to buy the P35 Neo2 mainboard, pay close attention to the feature list. Even if the board is listed as FIR by a specific dealer, make sure it really comes with firewire and an ICH9R-chipset. If someone decides to sell the board with the full name that appears on the MSI Support Site (FR/FIR) he might be actually trying to sell a P35 Neo2-F trying to get a better price.

P35 Neo2-FR BIOS?

The MSI Global site shows no BIOS updates listed for the P35 Neo2-FR at all; the Neo2 Platinum does show several updates and from other posts here it appears that both boards use the same BIOS. OTOH it makes me nervous about using a BIOS which is not officially listed for the Neo2-FR. Is this really just an oversight by MSI? I wish they'd fix it!

Quote from: Jack the Newbie on 27-September-07, 16:01:48
The P35 Neo2-FR uses the same PCB as the P35 Platinum (MS-7345 v1.x).
That is one of the reason both boards use the same BIOS:
http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=bios&maincat_no=1&prod_no=1212
Yes I understand that but there is no BIOS update listed here: http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=bios&maincat_no=1&prod_no=1261. It seems strange to say the least and given the caution one approaches BIOS updates, one has to wonder why?... and what MSI's official position is on this?
Quote
If you don't have any good reason to perform a BIOS update, stay away from flashing a different BIOS.
I'm well aware of the risks thanks.

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