P4 533 with 645 ultra-c

just got p4 2.4 533 also msi 645 ultra-c. I read on the msi website that the mother board only supports up to 400 fsb. So I rang the shop up and they said that they always supply that combination and it will be fine. So my question is will it be fine and if not, what problems will I encounter. As far as I can see its very fast but Ive been used to a Pentium 200 for 3 years so anything is fast compared to that. Also Ive used Sisoft Sandra 2002 and that shows that it is a flying machine but it also says that I need to reduce my fsb. So any suggestions, should I upgrade my motherboard or downgraded to a p4 2.4 400. Please help, Im getting worried ?(

645 Chipset is not officialy validated for 133MHz FSB only for 100MHz FSB. This is the main difference between 645 and 645DX chipset. At 133MHz PCI is 33MHz and AGP 66MHz. They are not overclocked. I use 645 Ultra with a P4 2,80GHz (133MHz FSB) for two months now with no problem at all. If PCI and AGP were overclocked almost all Hard disks and somae gfx cards should die after one week usage.
Harry

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Help requested with 645 Ultra-C with a PCI ATA/133 card fitted

I'm new here, so please bear with me if this plea for help is short of info :-
I built my PC 5 years ago, using a 645 Ultra-C board ( MS-6547 2.00 ) and have had no problems since - till now.
I recently installed a PCI ATA/133 card, mainly to be able to add 2 additional hard drives. It installed ok and the 2 extra drives are recognised correctly on the card's primary channel as is a DVD device on the secondary channel.
However, on initial booting, the card is interrogated to determine what devices are connected to it and then there is a delay of up to 2 minutes ( it feels like forever ) while BootMagic is being searched for/loaded.
It makes no difference if I swap the 2 drives and the dvd over or remove the dvd drive.
The bios ( AMI 07.00T 12/20/01 ) is correctly setup to boot from floppy first, then HDD1 ( connected to the mainboard's primary channel) and 'try other boot devices' is disabled.
I have no wish to boot from the extra drives, so is there any way of avoiding the boot system from looking there first ? Is there any other bios settings to consider ?
I'd be grateful for any hints/help.
Thanks.

Quote from: Del UK on 26-January-08, 06:45:25
Yes,
Go into bios and set boot sequence
Also go into pci controller bios, and set no boot
It's usually CRTL+A or CRTL+M keys on keyboard............
Controller cards will be main boot target, unless told
I have got the boot sequence set correctly - but I can see no sign of a pci controller bios option. Cntrl A or Cntrl M have no effect. Maybe the 645 bios doesnt offer those options.
I have never updated the bios - being of the 'if it aint broke dont change it' school of thought, so I may need to look at this area, now.
I'll be posting a question here about live update very soon - basically 'is it the best way to update the bios ?'
Thanks for your help so far
John

No sound with 645 ultra

My computer has this configuration:
MSI 645 Ultra Sis chipset with audio on board
P4 2.0Ghz
512 DDR
Ati Radeon 8500
I hear sound very low everytime.
Help me please.
I have downloaded the newest drivers for sound card.

Help me please!!!!!
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Originally posted by stecap
I have tried with XP,2000 and now I have 98 II ed. but i had the same problems.
But it's possible an incompatibility problem????
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Originally posted by Glenn Maclean
Check AGP Aperture Size AkA Graphic Win Size!!!128mb is the happy medium!!! what operating system r u using? ?(

Help with 645 Ultra-C

ok i decided to update my system so i got the 645 ultra-c with a P4 2.2. i hooked everything up and its been working ok but i get the error stating (XXXXX) referenced memory at (XXXXXX) could not be read. now i get that error whenever i play games. i have the geforce 4 mx 420 and all the updated drivers for it. i never had any problems with it before so i dont think its the graphics card. the only other new item i added to my system was a stick of ddr 256 pc 2100 ram that i got cheap of the net. so im thinking i got bad memory because ive flashed my bios updating everything and thats the only solution i have left. any ideas???
thanks

ok ran the test for about 2 hours had like 5000 errors so im assuming i got bad memory thanks for the help. tip for others dont buy cheap ram off the net lol.

Interesting Problems/Solutions with 645 Ultra V1.0

Hi All, I just wanted to share some of my experiences with the older 6457 Ultra V1.0 MB.
I've had one of these since last Sepetember, and I've been trying to get it stable ever since and only just succeded. Oh, as a side note, everything is being clocked as it should be, no OC'ing here, I'm after stability. Okay, system spec:
MSI 6457 Ultra V1.0 bios 1.3, 1.6,1.7, 1.8 but mostly and currently 1.9
Intel P4 2.0Ghz 400 FSB Stock HS and fan
1 X 256 333 DDR Ram (Generic 2.5 CAS)
2X Maxtor hard disks 20 and 30 Gig ATA 100 (Primary master and slave)
Liteon DVD CDRW dirve (secondary master)
Netgear FA311 NIC
Soundblaster Audigy 2 Platinum
Creative Geforce 3 Ti200
Chieftec 350W PSU v+3.3=28 v+5=30 (may be other way round, I'm at work right now and can't check)
XP Pro
Problems I've had :
Nvidia drivers (Creative or Nvidia any version since September 2002) result in the system booting very slowly (3- 5 mins instead of 50 secs) and quite often just rebooting once the windows UI appears, just after log on. Kept getting the infamous "nv_disp.dll" error report from XP.
The solution to this was to run the memory at 266 rather than the rated 333.
A side effect of this problem was that sometimes (not always) the system would drop to 10% of its usual speed. Once this had happened there was no speeding it up again. Sandra clocks the MEM bandwidth when this happens at 220MB instead of the usual 2200MB. A symptom that this has happened is that when the XP logo first appears at boot up it fades in very slowly instead of it's usual snappy fade in.
The solution to this was to jumper the CMOS clear and reset up the BIOS.
Alternately you can format the system and rebuild it, but nothing else seems to return the system to full speed. Only a CMOS reset or a rebuild of the OS.
These solutions are only tested on the current 1.9 Bios. I have no idea if they'll work on earlier or hacked versions.
In order to find these solutions, it's taken a lot of blood sweat and tears, not to mention reading all 1600 posts about problems with Ultra's.
I hope the solutions presented here can save someone else the frustration I've had just trying to get this thing stable enough to play games on.
I must also add that these solutions may not work for you, I went through hundreds of Bios settings tweaks and fiddles trying to remedy these problems and none worked bar the ones mentioned.
I suspect that the RAM in this system may be the cause of all the problems, but I am unable to get hold of any other 333 Ram to try.
If anyone has any suggestions as to how I can get this to run its memory at 333 (which is what it physically is and should run at) without buying more RAM (been unemployed for six months and only have 2 weeks work now!) and be stable with Nvidia drivers, I'd be delighted to hear them. I'd also like to hear from others who've suffered similar problems, as I could do with the moral boost of knowing I'm not alone :-)
As a side note, this setup does run very nicely with the Ram at 266 and Bios 1.9. It now seems very stable which is a breath of fresh air.
Sorry for the long post, but it's alot of information to impart. Hopefully, it'll save someone else from tearing all their hair out.

had sim prog fix them... :P
what to do...
bios v1.9 (update)
[support new chips etc
update agp drives (SiS AGP Drivers v7.2.0.1130 )
[fix some usb /video card problems ]
set agp apeture (in bios) to 128mb
set ram (assuming 333ddr) 2.5 / normal / normal
most generic ram (my is first modual is 2.5 -3-3)
set irq settings to auto(non auto setting will cause random (equal to or less than blue screen of death)
(move sound card (if not using on board disable games port and sound) to pci slot (3) [3rd from the bottom of moatherboard]
- this provides no conflict with video card.
-set irq for vga = on
use xp pro
user service pack 1
run 3dmark2001se for 3 hours (should not crash)
if you think it your ram download a ram tester software(free) (and put on on a floppy disk) this will test you ram.
if useing a network card put it in slot 5 (fifth from the bottom)
p.s. also check (in bios health ) power supply problems
eg rails 3.3v should be no lower than 3.2xx
5v should be no lower than 4.87x
12v should no be lower than 11.70v
because i had a bad power supply (3.3v was 3.02v and 12v wat 11.2v (from time to time hard disk drive would power on/off then on....)
3.3v is for vide cards /pci slots /ram voltage etc..
12v for hard disk drive/cdroms etc...
5v for logic board on harddiskdrives etc...

Help with the MSI 645 Ultra!

I've got a very frusturating problem. I just bought the MSI 645 ultra mobo to upgrade my system, along with a brand new P4 2.0 GHZ processor and 512 mb DDR ram to go onto the board. My problem is as follows: The computer is not booting up. No OS, no BIOS, no nothing. When I turn the power on and hit the switch, all the hardware in the case starts up and sounds fine... but the screen remains blank. All four lights on the little diagnostic tool/usb port thingy that came with the board stay red, which, according to the manual, indicates a problem with the processor.
The processor is either bad (highly unlikely with it being an Intel chip) or for some reason its not working with the mobo. So, heres my question: Does an Intel P4 2.0 GHZ Northwood processor work with the MSI 645 Ultra?
Under the list of supported speeds, 2.0 ghz is not listed ?( . Can anyone tell me whats going on here?

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Originally posted by Confused_Bystander
I've got a very frusturating problem. I just bought the MSI 645 ultra mobo to upgrade my system, along with a brand new P4 2.0 GHZ processor and 512 mb DDR ram to go onto the board. My problem is as follows: The computer is not booting up. No OS, no BIOS, no nothing. When I turn the power on and hit the switch, all the hardware in the case starts up and sounds fine... but the screen remains blank. All four lights on the little diagnostic tool/usb port thingy that came with the board stay red, which, according to the manual, indicates a problem with the processor.
The processor is either bad (highly unlikely with it being an Intel chip) or for some reason its not working with the mobo. So, heres my question: Does an Intel P4 2.0 GHZ Northwood processor work with the MSI 645 Ultra?
Under the list of supported speeds, 2.0 ghz is not listed ?( . Can anyone tell me whats going on here?
ANy beep?

645 Ultra not booting with new GeforceFX5200

Thanks ahead of time for all the help.. I'm really just a newbie computer guy with a frustrating problem. Before last week I was running my system with a Geforce2MX with no problems. At one point I had to flash the motherboard because it didn't recognize my hard drives, but the video card was fine. I bought Deus Ex Invisible war, and found out I had to update my video card. So I purchased an Albatron Gigi GeforceFX5200E. After removing my old video card and inserting the new one, my computer would not boot. The power would turn on, but the Monitor does not. The D-Bracket says it is hanging on "Initializing Video Interface", so I had my friend test out the video card, with the results being it works perfect. So I am at my wits end... I have the new AGP drivers... the motherboard is updated... I know the card works. I have read about messing with the voltage or somthing, but I don't know how or what to set things at. Please help!!!
My specs:
MSI 645 Ultra Motherboard (flashed to latest version)
Celeron 2.4ghz processor
512mb RAM
CWT 350w Power Supply:
3.3v - 20a
5v - 35a
12v - 15a
Soundblaster Live! Value
Memorex CDR/W drive
56k Modem
2 WD Hard Drives (80/30gigs)
Fan Control Unit w/ 4 Fans
I hope thats enough info. I'm very close to just ditching the motherboard for somthing else, its been giving me so many problems. Thanks again.....

What would you all recommend for a new power supply? What should I look for? Somthing relatively inexpensive (starving musician here) that gets the job done would be great.
Also, I flashed the motherboard before buying the new troublesome videocard, because my motherboard wasn't recognizing my two WD hard drives I purchased, but it was working fine with these small older hard drives. Weird stuff... other then that though the motherboard has been good... especially if this video card stuff is simply a power issue. Thanks again guys.

Live BIOS Update method with a 645 Ultra-C board

I have a 645 Ultra-C motherboard which has been running fine since installation some years ago.
The bios has never been updated but I may now need to (see my other request for help here in respect of fitting a pci ata controller card) my questions about Live BIOS are :-
Is Live BIOS the best way to update the bios on this board ?
Is there any way of preserving the existing BIOS in case things go wrong ?
Any help, advice, guidance would be much appreciated.
John

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=114188.0

Ms-645 ultra (MS-6547) CPU:RAM

Hullo,
I Just Finished building my new system. I am in the process of clocking it out. I used Fuzzy Logic 4 to find out at what speed my system crashes at. Fuzzy crashes any where between 139MHz & 143MHz system clock with CPU core voltage only slightly juiced to 1.5 volts.
This is probably not a good program for the actual overclocking from what I've read, but does serve as a good burn in utility. So I've decided on a 133MHz system clock in bios. Don't want to get too greedy right now as I am using stock H/S and fan. Next did a 5X burn in with Sandra and couldn't crash my system 49c idle 62c load. I must say this is a very nice mobo, extremely stable.
What I am having problems deciding on are my memory timings. This is my first MSI mother board and I'm not really familiar with the normal fast ultra and turbo settings.
Initially I set at the normal selection with CPU - RAM ratio at highest setting of 4:5 and CPU-Z gives me these memory numbers 166MHz & 2.5-3-3-7-11.
Next I tried the ultra setting and the highest ratio of 1:1 any other ratio causes system to lock up. CPU-z gives me these memory numbers 133MHz 2.5-2-2-6-9
It dosen't Appear that the Ultra timing mode offers any advantages over default memory timing settings. Are these words "Ultra" and "turbo" just marketing schemes meant to entice the common PC user, or are there some additional speed settings that go along with with the ultra and turbo modes that I am unaware of. Also after setting system clock to 133MHz My PCI & AGP are left untouched at 33MHz & 66MHz. I was expecting higher speeds. How are these independant? Where can I adjust these to clock along with the system clock. With those AGP & PCI numbers it behaves like a true 533MHz FSB system. I'm a little baffled with this new system. Any explainations would be greatly appreciated.
MSI 645 Ultra (MS-6547 bios ver. 1.0)
Channel Watt Tech. 350w Power Supply
P4 Northwood 2.4(400FSB)@3200
1 Stick 512MB Kingston PC-2700([email protected])
Western Digital 80GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache
Sony CD/RW 52X
Samsung CD ROM 40X
Sound Blaster PCI512
GeForce MX/MX 400 (PCI Slot)
Yahama YST-MS50 (Powered Multi Media Speakers)
HP Deskjet 656C
Windows XP Pro SP-1

I'm not displeased, only a little puzzled. in fact i was counting on having to reduce the core & memory speed of my card just a little bit. to allow for a higher oc. Is this a 400/533 mobo manual says 400. Hmmm. I wonder what would happen if I put an 800 FSB cpu in here. bios system clock goes to 200. I happen to have one. this mat be interesting.

645 Ultra Memory Limitation?

I've had the 645 Ultra board for about 3 years now and I've had no problems running with 756MB of memory, one 512MB double-sided module and one 256MB double-sided module. I received another 512MB single-sided module for Christmas (from Crucial, using their selector) and I've been unable to use it in my system. It either reboots spontaneoously or else I receiver an error that says "can't write data 0xXXXXXXXX to location 0xXXXXXXXX can't 'write' the location" or else it says the same thing except it can't read instead of write. The memory location changes each time. I got another 512MB module that is double-sided but I still encounter the same problem but it seems more stable. I've set the BIOS to manual 100MHz FSB with 3:4 Memory ratio at 266MHz. I set CAS at 2.5T. The AGP size is 128MB. It seems that any amount of memory over 756MB does not work. Anyone else have a similar problem? I've read many of the forum issues but none seem like mine.
1.6GHz Pentium 4
MSI 645 Ultra 1.0 Motherboard BIOS 1.9
MSI Ti200 GeForce 3 with 64MB RAM
1.2GB DDR running at 266MHz
80GB IBM Harddrive
20GB IBM Harddrive
1GB Jaz Drive
CDROM
CDRW
SiS IDE driver 2.03.02.00
SiS AGP driver 7.2.0.1170

I had same problem...
I had 2 x 256 twinx llpt 3200 from corsair, no problem, running verry aggrssive timings and turbo timing.
added a 512 stick XLPT (faster still) and system would only boot at safe timing setting and cas2.5, with delay1T (2T)
I posted question on asktheramguy, corsairs very own and very responsive specialist, and he put it down to excessive load on the memory controller.
Also if you have different memory manufactures mixed in the slots, that's even worse, and you may not get the system to boot even after relaxing the timings
maybe lower speed 2100's and relaxd timing would be OK, but not much use with todays games
Or set memory timings to safe in bios...
So i bought another 512 3200XLPT stick and am selling the TwinX 2x256 LLPT's.
Well, I'm at 1gig at present 2 x 512 PC3200 XLPT (little over kill but fast).
With mem ratio set correctly and with my overclock this is running at about 380 Mhz (not the rated 400Mhz).
So upshot is, you'll need to get better ram, get a mached pair, and if your not bothered abour raw memory speed get something mid range cas 2.5 say....

645 Ultra (MS-6547) Really Strange Bios Problem

I have just upgraded my pc with a 645 Ultra (MS-6547) mainboard with 128Ram and a Celeron at 1,7GHz. I have a hdd with a Windows 98 on it. The first time I booted after the change, windows starts up, it starts to detect the devices and is asking me to restart. At restart I see the video Bios and after that the mainboard starts beeping from the speaker and the display is showing lots of pages with special caracters and it freezes after a minute or so!!!!
I tried to upgrade the bios but al i got is this message:
"Phoenix Bios
D686
Award Boot Block MS-6547
Chipset/Flash port isn't available. The function will be invalid."
The really freakiest thing is that with another mainboard (same model) the problem is the same.
At first I thinked that is a boot virus, but I scanned the hdd on another system using f-prot with the latest definitions available(30.01.2003) and is clean.
Any ideas what could be?
thanks.

First of all: every one of the two mainboards started fine at the first boot, it loaded windows, started to detect new hardware then it asked me to reboot. After that it was hell! The graphics bios apeared and after that is starting to show something like this " %#^@&$(!#^ " all over the screen, is filling pages with this caracthers and beeping from the speaker. the d-bracket is with the 3 and 4 leds on red and i can't do a thing. the bios flasher (from your site) is telling me:
"Award Boot Block MS-6547
Chipset/Flash port isn't available. The function will be invalid."
the next thing i did was to try the old components on another pc based on an old i810 board. every one of them worked fine (individually and together). then I use the third board to remake my sistem from scratch with only new components (the old ones I was afraid to use), i instaled win98 on another hdd with drivers for the mobo. Everything was fine. The other hdd i scanned it on another system (winXP) with NAV2003 using the 05/feb/2003 updates and is clean. Then i saved the docs on it, formated it and copied (using pqmagic8 ) the partition from the new hdd with the working win98 on it. Installed the hdd and is ok. The the floppy and is ok. And now I am afraid to put the video card on it!!! I have talked with the service support and they told me to wait until they e-mail me an update program, new bios and instructions to recover my two boards. but that was 2 days ago... and i still got 2 freaked mobos!!!!
I will try tomorrow to recover the bios using the instructions on your site, hope it will work.
I still don't have a clue what the hell happend and what is the cause of this!!!

Old MSI 645 Ultra (version 1.1) won't Work.(period)!!!

OK VERY BIG PROBLEM!!!!
i built a computer from scratch, well old parts from my other computer!!the parts are 2.0gig intel cpu, 512ddr ram, 60gig harddrive, Msi 645 ultra(verison 1.1), geforce 2mx, and a 300W PSU. I put it all together fine I think . When i turned it on, Nuthing worked!!
I have the D-BRacket tool in the back and the lights first went 2 green top>1 green left, 1 green right which meant something like "Initialising Video Interface." and the computer didn't even work!!!nuhting, ZERO no bios no beep, but the power all worked. i fiddle around with things and Wen i turn it on again, the D-Bracket has ALL RED LIGHTS "CPU Damaged or inproperly placed" which is like impossible. ANd nuthing happens. I switch all my parts into my new one and nuthing is fried it all works!!put it all back together and the"Initalising video interface"lights happen again!!! i dunno whats wrong, maybe the mainboard partly fried or something i have no clue!! Monitor DOesn't show anything execpt a blank screen. Everything powers up but nuthing works!!

What do you mean by multitasking not working? How? What happens?
In any event, you should be able to switch to another App by clicking the Home button and touching the other App. Restarting the iPhone should not be required.

MSI 645-Ultra problem

Hi, I have some problems with my computer.
Here is my configuration:
CPU: P4 1.6 ghz
Motherboard: MSI-6547 645 Ultra
Memory: 512 Mo DDR 266 mhz
video: MSI 8836 GeForces II GTSTi64
I build up this machine in January 2002 by myself and it work fine. But, this week my computer start to turn off automatically and reboot, after it reboot i can work on it for about 20 min. and then the same thing append. It even append to me when i was in the BIOS, so for sure its not a windows problem.
I have try another video card and i still have the same problem.
Any help would my appreciate, thanks.

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Originally posted by rounder
I also have a 645 Ultra that is doing the same thing. For me it started after I installed Windows XP.
Windows XP
MSI 645 Ultra MOBO
P4 1.8 Ghz CPU
512 DDR sdram
ATI Radeon 7500 All-In-Wondor vid card
Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 MP3+
maxtor 45 Gig HDD
Samsung DVD
TDK CDRW
Temp is a steady 122 F.
I can install a cheap vid card and I have NO Problem! ATI sent me a replacement card and it does the same thing, "Black Screen Lock-up" or just reboots. If both ATI cards are doing the same thing, there must be some kind of incompatability between XP and the 7500 AIW (no problems with ATI card and Win 98SE).
ATI has washed their hands of any future responsibility, so I am apparently stuck with a $200 vid card that doesn't work with my system.
Tell more about your system, bertz.
rounder
In my computer I had a Network-adapter which coused a problem of self-reboot when i tried to shut-down.
I replaced it with an older one - problems gone !!!

645 Ultra-C and ATI Radeon 9000 Pro

Hi there --
I have a 645 Ultra-C with P4 1.7mhz attached to it. It has 640mb of RAM, Audigy 2, and brand new ATI Radeon 9000 pro. It's running WindowsXP
The issue is that upon installing the ATI card into the machine WindowsXP is freezing and then recovering with an error message about a device failure. In checking the system log I see an error message about the ATI driver being stuck in a loop.
I am using the driver I downloaded from the ATI web site along with the ATI control panel software also downloaded from the ATI site. The drivers are the latest.
I am able to regain stability by disabling hardware acceleration in Display Properties. This is less then ideal.
I'm using version 7.2.0.1130 of the AGP driver. I'm not sure which BIOS rev, it would be the one the motherboard shipped with. However I'm unable to flash the BIOS really since I do not have access to a 98/ME box. As I understand it I can only flash the BIOS from a 98/Me startup floppy on a non-FAT machine. LiveUpdate gives me an error message about the service not being started and that LiveUpdate only works with MSI graphics cards.
In the BIOS I’ve switched the primary video card from PCI to AGP. I’ve even downgrade from AGP 4x to APG 2x using the AGP utility.
Any ideas?

flashed up to 1.90 via LiveUpdate2, after pulling ATI card and running on tnt2 card, and now I'm cranking

MS-6547E Ver.1, 654E Max-c, MS6547 Ver.1, 645 Ultra

I have a Motherboard that had a red sticker on it listing 645E Max-C and MS-6547E Ver.1
I peeled it off and underneath it has 645 Ultra and MS6547 Ver.1
The BIOS lists MS-6547SMS 1.6 in the Startup Screen.
When I run "MSIHQ USB Bootable Tool and BIOS Helper" It lists the Board as 6558 and the BIOS as something totally different from what I've ever seen as a bios.
I figured that I could probably download the MS-6547 1.9 BIOS (The most updated version) and easily Flash the BIOS, but that has not been the case. Every time I get to AMIFL847 and try to flash it, the message tells me that the new BIOS file is not a BIOS file, and is unknown. I've downloaded it at least 3 times now (thinking it was a corrupt download) each time is the same result.
I've tried to use Live Update 5 which is supposed to work with this board, and it gives me a message that I have the latest BIOS, or when I point to the BIOS file MS6547.190, it tells me that this is anything BUT a BIOS file.
I even have been getting BSoD (Blue Screens of Death) in which the codes are telling me the problem lies with a MSILiveUpdate5 file dealing with the BIOS.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Do you really need to update BIOS? If you do, don't use LiveUpdate!
There are a few to choose from: http://www.msi.com/service/search/?kw=6547&type=product
You should also be warned, that the motherboard may have been specially built to suit for example Dell or HP, or another major computer system builder. If so you do not use data and BIOS:es from here, but from that manufacturer.
With that warning in mind, this would be the best bet, I believe:
http://www.msi.com/product/mb/645-Ultra.html#/?div=BIOS

P4 533 with 645 ultra-c

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