P4e mobo questions...

A local store has got the MSi P4e Max 533fsb mobo in stock at an extremely good price and im looking to upgrade my existing P4 sdram rig to the MSi P4e... (i will be using 512mb Crucial 2100 DDR)
My questions are...
1. Can i use my P4 2.4b 533fsb with this mobo w/o the CPU bus overclocking the AGP and PCi? (in other words can i alter the FSB seperately from 400 to 533 without that overclocking the AGP or PCi?)
2. Will my Radeon 8500 be guarenteed to work? i have no idea if it is a 1.5v... im hoping theres some people here that will have a R8500 and can fill me in.
3. If i have a P4 that supports HT and the mobo dont support HT will the CPU still work perfectly only without using the HT?
4. I want to purchase an Antec 430watt PSU but until then will my existing 'non-brand' 350watt PSU be enough to run a P4 2.4b, MSi P4e, R800, 512 2100 DDR, 1 40 gig 7200 HD, 1 CD-ROM, 1 CD RW, 1 floppy, 19'' monitor, onboard sound? (i use the aforementioned 350watt perfectly at the moment with most of those above spec except for im using a P4 1.7, sdram, qdi mobo.
I appreciate all feedback related to my questions...
Thankyou for your time.

Thankyou for such a fast reply (Abits boards were never like this
Anyway sorry i didnt clarify the mobo that im extremely close to buying but its the MSi 845e and on the blue box it has in large numbers '533' so im assuming that it will allow me to use my P4 at a fsb of 133 quad pumped to 533fsb without overclocking the AGP/PCi... can you please confirm or deny if that is correct?
Also im very pleased to hear that my Radeon 8500 will be fine in that board as i love that video card alot and dont want to upgrade video to a G4 for the sake of only a mobo/ram upgrade.
Im inclined to agree with you saying that the 350 non brand PSU may be suffiecient power, i guess if it turns out to need more power then i can always buy the Antec 430watt tru-power that i was going to originally (im trying to save as much money in the upgrade as is possible but im not trying to cut corners, stability is paramount to me)
Thankyou for taking the time to reply to me, i appreciate and respect your help.

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