P7N Diamond and TWO nVidia 9800 GX2 Video Cards

Hello all, I have a simple question. I’ve searched Google and this is one of the few places I’ve found people even discussing the subject of a MSI P7N Diamond motherboard and TWO nVidia 9800 GX2 video cards running SLi.
Here is my system. MSI P7N Diamond, 6 GB OCZ Reaper Memory, Pentium E8500 processor, Asus Silent Knight cooler, two eVGA 8800 GT Superclocked Edition video cards running SLi, Tagan BZ Series 800 W power supply, four 500 GB Seagate Barracuda hard drives running RAID 0 (2 for the C drive & 2 for the D drive), Sound Blaster PCIe sound (came with MB), LG Blu-ray, DVD, CD burner & HD-DVD Reader, second LG DVD/CD burner, GL W2452T monitor and Windows Ultimate Edition 64-bit.
My question is, can I replace the two 8800 GT SC video cards with TWO 9800 GX2 video cards? I know the P7N Diamond can handle Tri-SLi, but can it handle two cards with 2 GPU’s each. I am also considering changing up my two 1 GB Reaper chips with 2 GB chips so I will have 8 GB of RAM. This should make up for the 2 GB of memory the 9800 GX2’s are using up (if, in fact the motherboard can handle the cards).
I was also wondering, if the motherboard CAN handle dual 9800 GX2’s, can my power supply handle it at 800 watts?
And for my bonus question, would I be better off considering going with two 9800 GTX+ cards rather than the GX2's? Would I honestly se a huge improvement running two GX2's as opposed to two GTX+ cards? After all, the 9800 GTX+ cards would be much cheaper!
Thanks in advance for any help!!!
GH

Thanks for all the help BossKiller!!! You’ve been a HUGE help!
RemusM, I have two answers for you…
From the sensible side that should be thinking this through, no. You are absolutely 100% correct, I probably don’t need to run two 9800 GX2 cards. I can play the games I’m currently playing quite well on two 8800 GT OC cards. I should save my money.
And, from the geek side I say heck yes! This will ensure I can run pretty much everything out there and anything made in the near and not so distant future with all settings maxed out!
That said, I wish I would listen to RemusM and my sensible side… but alas it’s a losing battle. Plus, I may be getting the two 9800 GX2’s for $300 ($150 each) . So it’s not that bad. If I have to pay full price for them, the geek side may lose out anyhow.
GH
Oh and by the way RemusM, I LOVE the sig block!! That’s an old Timex isn’t it? It’s not the Sinclair 1000 is it?

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MSI Tech. 02/19/2008 Then, there is no problem with the mb.
End User 02/19/2008 There doesn't seem to be any issues with usb while on using the shipping bios, I only see it when I flash to the beta bios'.
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