P965 Boot problems - not POSTing

Just recently built the following system:
MSI P965 Neo Motherboard
E6300 Core 2 Duo CPU
2 x 512mb DDR2 800 (Corsair XMS2 TWIN2X1024A-6400 C5)
Sapphire ATI x1900gt Graphics
2 x Samsung Spinpoint P120 Sata 250gb HDD
1 x LG H10A DL DVD-RW drive
I originally installed into a Arctic Cooling Silentium T2 case but the system wouldnt boot. All fans spun up, hdd spun up, two LEDs briefly lit ont he graphics card (supposed to happen) but then nothing. No bios/POST. I did have the extra cable supplying the 6 pin PCIe attached. Memory was located in the the correct slots etc.
I figured that the graphics card required more power than the PSU could supply (only a 350w supply so cutting very fine). So I tried with a 420w PSU I had to hand but same result - no post. Still figured this PSU may be a bit weak so I used the trick to start a PSU while disconnected from a motherboard to enable one PSU to supply the system while the second provided the additional 12v for the Graphics. Still no post. I even went out and bought a decent 500w supply (~400w on 12v rails) but still exactly the same result so figure power is NOT the problem.
I decided to strip out each of the components one by one (one stick of memory cycled between all slots), Graphics removed and reseated, CPU removed and reseated. HDD's disconnected, DVD disconnected. My monitors are analogue - so using teh DVI-VGA adaptors and have tested both ports (and SVHS just fro luck). I have used the jumper to clear the CMOS. Don't know what the MB bios version is as I have never managed to post.
Everything is new - and this is first trip into PCIe territory so I haven't got any other systems to swap out and test components into. So far I figure either MB or Graphics - usually find problems with any of the other components will still allow bios. Can't be HDD's as I can test these on older system. Unless there is an incompatibility with the Corsair memory I can't see that I would recieve two dead sticks. That leaves CPU, GPU and MB - but currently have no way to test independently.
ATI have suggested an RMA but I want to avoid sending of until I can be pretty certain that graphics is the problem - I don't really fancy waiting 2-3 weeks for them to turn round and tell me card is fine and charge me postage.
Appreciate any thoughts you may have on further testing...
B.

babbaloerie - I hope to get a PCIe card to test tomorrow so hopefully I can rule the Graphics out as the problem.
Having already tried a silentium PSU (T2 in my case) and a number of higher power PSU's (and combination of higher power PSU's (one powering board, one supplying the additional +12v to the graphics) I have come to the conclusion that it isn't a power problem. Once I have resolved the problem I may even rebuild (yet again) back into the Silentium case - it was wonderfully quiet. You do literally have to stick you head about 5 cm from the case to hear it - and I can honestly say that is the first time I can actually say this. Normally 'silent' or 'whisper quiet' is considerably louder (the 17dBA Igreen PSU I have is significantly louder). I plan have a Zalman reserator ready to go (externally powered so will actually reduce PSU loads slightly) - the result will be pure silence! In fact I may actually take 10 minutes to take some proper noise measurements.
It could be a memory problem - but I would expect the bios to post with none present...
It could be the CPU - but without another MB it is difficult to tell. Haven't tried to boot without CPU - would I expect to get a bios post? If so I could probably do that tomorrow.
I have tried pretty much everything I have come across over the last 10 years of putting these things together... maybe I have finally received a DOA part.
NovJoe - while a number of MSI motherboards do come with and support the d-bracket for diagnosing problems the P965 doesn't. I actually have one on my older K7N2 ILSR - but there isn't anywhere to attach it to on the P975.
I would happily let Sapphire/MSI/ATI etc test components but it takes forever - and one of them is likely to turn out fine so I will end up paying heavily for the privelidge. At least with buying new parts on the web it will either solve my problem or I can use the distance sellings regulations in the UK to return.
Bob.
A quick update - just stripped down the system and rebuilt without the case (just in case there was a chance of a short). Also tried booting without the CPU installed (although I am not sure if I expected bios to post without a cpu).

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The only thing I have that is USB in my system is my Microsoft optical mouse, but that works fine.
Also, I rebooted again, and now Windows freezes during loadup (after the loading screen with the blue meter thingie I just get a black screen). I rebooted again, same thing again.
So now I rebooted and chose the "Last known good configuration" and I am back where I started with the yellow exclamation marks in the device manager.
Am I missing something here, or does this sound like I have a faulty motherboard?
Thanks
Jooppy

AMD Athlon XP 2800 (Barton Core) will not post at FSB 166 MHz.

Per top of the board “stickys” I have read a great number of the post on this board and done my homework to provide as much technical info to help you help me. This should explain some of it’s lengthy nature.
Aside from Memory, HDD and Video card every thing else has been unplugged from board and power or stripped out of slots to isolate the problem.
Presently running BIOS: A6712 V. 1B
*As seen on face of MoBo: KT4V MS-6712 Ver:10A
*The Original Box bar code label: KT4V-L (601-6712-050)
K7, KT400. 5.1 chnl. S/W Audio, LAN, D-Bracket 2.
CPU: AMD Athlon AXDL 2800 DLV4D
Q334763K40034 AQYHA 0447APMW
Chip lable
Athlon XP (Barton) Low Power Processor (Model 10) 2083 MHz
OPGA Organic Pin Grid Array 1.50 Volt max. Temp. 85°C
512 KB L2 Cache 333 MHz System bus (166 MHz FSB) x 12.5
Memory: x3- PC 2700 512 mb DDR 333 Super Talent
And shows at post as running 333MHz. MemTested to 1,000% with first 1 stick, then all 3 sticks presently on bios A6712vms.1B0. at fsb 100MHz (aprox. 24hr.) I even installed and ran other AMD utillitys while MemTest was running to “stress” the system memory with zero errors. During this period I checked Windows Task Manager > Performance, CPU usage at 100%, PF usage 1.35gb. No Probs.
Video card: Removed: MSI AGP-8X Ti4200- VTD8X 128 MB DDR 533MHz
Replace with: PCI card (to rule out AGP card prob.) Gilmont, nVidia 64mb
(also tried Matrox AGP 32mb card with no different results then above cards)
Power Supply: L&C Model: LC-B350 ATX = 350 watt
      115/130v      B/4a      60/50 hz
      +3.3v/+5v   1+12v   -12/-5v    +5vsb
      28a   35a    16a    0.8a    0.3a   2a
   +3.3v combined load 200w
Cooler: Slim Volcano 10+, P/N A1671, rated for up to AMD Athlon CP 3400+ & fresh heat sink compound. Freshly re-seated.
All PCI slots empty as I attempt to run bare bones to eliminate problems. (except now running Vido card in 1 slot)
Floppy Drive: ribbon unplugged from board
HDD-0: Seagate 8 gb master, (HDD tested w/no errors)
O/S: Win. XP w/sp2
HDD-1: slave/ unplugged from ribbon and power
Sony CD-Rom: Unplugged from PCI slot and power
SATA/RAID-usb 2.0 card and other HDD’s, removed and not included till Sys. runs at full potential.
Exterior HDD and Burner beyond the scope here and not attached.
O/S Win. XP-sp2
BIOS I have tried: The original; Ver:10A, ran fine on Athlon XP 1600 (1400 MP) 3 years.
•   Then with MSI Live Update 3: Installed v. 1c which couldn’t run FSB 166MHz (MSI:” Fixes system reports incorrect message for AMD 3200+ CPU.
- Supports Sempron L2 512K 3000+ CPU.)
However, v. 1.c did not work and would not post at all with the newly installed Barton AMD-XP 2800. [frankly this attempt was months ago and I do not remember whether it would post at the slower 100 and 133 FSB speeds, and also to muddle my memory further I was upgrading an A7N8X-D with a Barton XP 3000 and having similar problems on the ASUS,,, which is now running fine at full potential. ; - p
•   Then I selected and flashed A6712 V 1.7 122602, boots and runs Win.XP-sp2 at FSB 100MHz & 133MHZ. (MSI:” Supports AMD Barton XP2800+ (FSB333) CPU
-Fixes system sometimes will have IDE CRC error -Fixes D-bracket2+USB keyboard, cannot use keyboard on DOS mode.)” which couldn’t run FSB 166MHz.
I checked with the Tech. at the local shop where I purchased the KT4V MoBo. He suggested I try a different BIOS but he didn’t specify which one. He is a personal friend and admits to some bad luck and dead boards due to flashing bios so reluctant to mess with it.
•   Now running: A6712vms.1B0 – MSI hid this BIOS V. found here:
•   http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/bios/bos/spt_bos_detail.php?UID=362&kind=1
•    On a different page than the 2 versions mentioned above. http://www.msicomputer.com/support/bios_result.asp
•    No wonder people are frustrated and confused about different MoBo versions there ID #’s and the BIOS versions them selves as seen on this news board. MSI’s fault, no fault of anyone here trying to help.
A6712vms.1B0
Runs fine at FSB 100 (shows as XP 1250+) and FSB 133 (shows as XP 2200+) Booting to Win. XP-sp2 on CMOS, default setup other than minor tweaks to accommodate MSI Ti 4200 AGP 8X 125mb graphics card or Gilmond PCI card. But which couldn’t run FSB 166MHz .
No post at FSB 166 mhz (once, it did flash a post screen stating AMD Athlon XP 2800 for about 2 sec. before going blank) Manual power down. Just now I rebooted with FSB 166, and again saw the AMD Athlon XP 2800 at top of the post screen as I hit pause break,,,, then the machine power crashed to Off. Once it even loaded Win.XP-sp2 but crashed to power off with in 2 min.
I must have booted this beast a dozen times or more after Clear CMOS jumper each time it went to blank screen with mach. still running. Start over; set Default settings and work up with FSB 100, 133, each time to read what POST says and see if it will boot to O/S.
Btw: I have looked for clear evidence through the not so specific descriptions MSI uses to separate these board model #s and may be part of my current problem with correct board ID = correct BIOS ID.
Found here:
[VIA] unofficial FAQ for KT4 series motherboards
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=6090.0
Eg: - KT4 Ultra (MS-6590), 6-channel hardware audio codec
• KT4 Ultra (Pure Version)
• KT4 Ultra-B (Bluetooth ready)
• KT4 Ultra-BSR (Bluetooth ready + Serial ATA RAID)
• KT4 Ultra-FISR (Bluetooth ready, Serial ATA RAID, Gigabit LAN, IEEE 1394)
- KT4V (MS-6712), 6-channel software audio codec
• KT4V-L, with onboard 10/100 LAN
- KT4M (MS-6596) micro-ATX board
• KT4M-L, with onboard 10/100 LAN
- KT4A Ultra, (MS-6590) NEW!! based on KT400A chipset
• KT4A Ultra (Standard Version)
• KT4A Ultra-SR (Serial ATA RAID)
• KT4A Ultra-FISR (Serial ATA RAID, Gigabit LAN, IEEE 1394)
And a very similar version of this on Official MSI site. Both seem to try and make a difference between modles with on board Lan, and Blue Tooth ready.
Take a look at my original box sticker:
*As seen on face of MoBo: KT4V MS-6712 Ver:10A
*The Original Box bar code label: KT4V-L (601-6712-050)
K7, KT400. 5.1 chnl. S/W Audio, LAN, D-Bracket 2.
Yup, it says all this on the sticker and the in the manual and verified on the MoBo. So I can only guess at all parts of the puzzle as they gave them to me which lead me to the afore mention BIOS versions I ran, or am running. The sticker points to nearly half of the boards above except for the MS-6712 and the Ver:10a which is what I based my BIOS choices on. If someone knows differently and can lead me to official Nfo with a better answer I’m all ears.
Just saw this: Latest Official BIOS : KT4 MS-6590 (1.4), KT4V MS-6712 (1.8 ) , KT4M MS-6596 (1.1)>>Here: [VIA] unofficial FAQ for KT4 series motherboards
« on: 24 October 02, 05:14:04 » But these links and all but one link in this ‘sticky’ are broken .
So if (1.8) is the Latest Official BIOS for KT4V MS-6712 then what is this at the Official MSI SITE ?
KT4V
BIOS Type
AMI® BIOS     File Sizes
485KB
Version
1.C     Update date
Update Description   -Support Sempron L2 512K 3000+ CPU.
BIOS Type
AMI® BIOS     File Size
Version
1.B     Update date
2004-8-9
Update Description   Support Sempron 2200+/2300+/2400+/2500+/2600+/2800+ CPU.
BIOS Type
AMI® BIOS     File Sizes
485Kb Version
1.A     Update date
2004-5-13
Update Description   - System is unstable to run 3DMark03 with ATI 9600 PRO
- Add "PS/2 Keyboard Detection" Function.
- Support AMD 2400+ CPU.
BIOS Type
AMI® BIOS     File Sizes
514KB
Version
1.9     Update date
2003-7-29
Update Description   -Fixed Adaptec 2100S SCSI card cannot be used
-Modify CPU temperature detection
-Support boot from Onboard LAN
BIOS Type
AMI® BIOS     File Sizes
514KB
Version
1.8     Update date
2003-2-12
Update Description   -Support AMD Barton XP3000+ (FSB333) CPU
-Add "CPU Halt Command Detection" item in the BIOS Setup
Please also keep in mind I’m not trying to scuff anyone’s shoes…I just want to get what’s right for my board so that it and the CPU can live up to their full, "as advertised" potential and run with the other 3 big dogs under my desk.
This seems descriptive enough and rather lengthy. Just doing my homework and reporting my findings so I won’t include actual CMOS settings unless requested. I have notes on all settings I currently use to boot with this problem.
Other Dogs:
ASUS A7N8X-D running Athlon XP 3000 barton core 10 (runs fsb 400..whoknew?), Mem:2.5gb Super Talent
ASUS A7M266-D running Athlon XP 2800 (mp), Mem: 3gb Super Talent
Athlon XP 2800 (mp)
I don’t want to boar you with the details.
Yes, and the above have been upgraded w/new chips GFX cards and BIOS,,, NP.
Cut to sound track: Down on the BIOS again,,, wasn’t that Creedance Clear Water Revival?
Any suggestions or insights are much appreciated.

Welcome, and thank you for a thorough input! Hope I don't miss something you already said!
Quick version: Try setting processor voltage to 1,5 volt.
Long version:
Posting at wrong FSB can be put down to two things:
1 The processor isn't what you thought it is, but I think you eliminated that.
2 The system cannot run the processor at the correct speed. Mainly this has to with overheating, and/or that memory and processor cannot cooperate. This must be it, as you noticed the processor is correctly recognised.
You have little connected right? Then the best thing would be to pull power cable out. Take the motherboard and redo the seating of the processor, this is much better done with motherboard taken out.
At the same time, I suggest you clear CMOS. Should always be done when changing processor, and I've noticed on the Internet there are a few 1,5V XP2800 around.
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:Q4eIa6OhudcJ:forums.amd.com/lofiversion/index.php/t47487.html+AXDL2800DLV4D+problem&hl=sv&gl=se&ct=clnk&cd=1

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