P965 NEO Slow IDE DVD/CD drive

Ok,
I've read some of the articles on problems with CD readers/writers not working or working very slow using this MOBO.
Here is my problem
I have a SATA hd that has my windows xp OS and it works fine. I installed it from the CD rom no problem.
The only problem I have is the CD/DVD rom appears to work very slowly in Windows.
****I am not running any raid devices.****
Should I have to install a JMICRO driver just to get my CD/DVD writer to function properly? I looked for a driver using the links I found in this forum but didn't find any. Im not sure if I even need one.
Has anyone solved this problem that isn't using Raid? I'd rather not install a driver if I do not need it.
Thanks,
JIm

Quote from: gungadin_ on 05-December-06, 04:42:30
After my current install is done I'm going to try this driver that remus suggests. As he had the identical problem I have. I tried that link above but it aimed at a 64bit driver? Not sure about that one if this doesnt work Illl try that one.
The problem is solved now (I had to waste enough time for that ...).
The solution: http://www.dieselbenz.info/JMB36X_WinDrv_Beta_R1.17.04.00.rar
It's a beta driver, but this is the answer to all "jMicron on MSI" bugs.
With that driver I was able to write a full CD at 48X and a full DVD at 8X without any error.
p.s.
A little piece of advice for MSI team:
The current v1.5 BIOS and jMicron driver are buggy (talking about MSI P965-Neo) !
You have to solve this problem as faster as you can because is very annoying and you'll lose customers !
Remus M
(an old MSI fan)
I was seriously bashing my head until I found your post. Even the drivers found on Live Update didn't work. These betas are the shiz. Thanks!

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Hi people,
My current setup is C2D E6600 and P965 Neo overclocked at 312FSB, (wouldn't go any further), 2*1 GB Corsair PC2-5300 and Win XP pro SP2. I've got a Benq DW1670 DVD writer and i've tried every way to enable the DMA for it so i can write a DVD in less than 1:30 hours ( i know thats a lot of time). I've tried to uninstall the drivers for my Secondary IDE Channel where my writer is found so that windows would reinstall it and fix that without success, i' ve tried uninstalling the writers drivers and still nothing, i even hacked the registry and still nothing, so i thought that it could be the BIOS. Unfortunatelly in the BIOS (version 1.5) i cannot locate any options for my writer nor my writer mentioned anywhere except the boot sequence.
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Hello, i recently installed my p965 with my sata2 hdd, ide hdd and dvdrw, but these last two dont appear in bios, and i do need them to be booted so i can install new OS, i dunno if this is a repeated topic, unfortunatly i searched and no other topic helped me, so i was hoping someone could help me solving this problem.
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Connect the SATA drive to one of the Intel controllers (SATA ports 2-5). that way you will be able to see your drive in BIOS. Anything that you'll connect to the IDE controller(witch is controlled by third party controller from Jmicron) wont be shown in the main BIOS, because main BIOS only contains devices that are controlled by Intel southbridge. And that's why you cannot see your DVD/RW and IDE Hard drive in the main BIOS.But with a proper driver installed in windows,this controller works even better then the Intel controllers(better burst rate for the SATA hard drives)
The thing that you should know is that, when you connect two devices with different DMAs on one IDE controller, the controller will set the DMA within the device that have a lower DMA (for example if your IDE hard drive works in UDMA5,and the DVD/RW in UDMA2, both of devices will work in UDMA2, witch will cause low performance for your hard drive, even for your system too). So my advice is that you unplug the IDE HDD,and continue to use only SATA HDD, for better performance.

MSI K8N NEO PLAT + CD / DVD-RW Drives

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P965 NEO & SATA2 HDD detected as IDE

I can't run my IDE DVD-RW drive in DMA mode, it seems to be a common problem with P965 NEO mainboard. At the moment I can live with it, I've tried different JMicron drivers without success. I use BIOS v1.5, maybe I should try the new v1.6.
Recently I changed the HDD (Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320Gb SATA2) to one of the Intel ICH8 SATA ports. It used to be connected to the JMicron SATA port and detected as a SCSI drive. Now it is detected as a IDE drive by both the BIOS and Windows xp device manager. There are 3 x Primary IDE Channel and 3 x Secondary IDE Channel in the device manager even though there's only 1 SATA2 HDD and 1 optical IDE drive connected. The HDD runs in UDMA5 mode but the DVD is still in PIO mode. Now the HDD S.M.A.R.T function works (it didn't work before when connected to JMicron SATA) so I would like to keep it this way.
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Quote from: Stink-Foot on 05-January-07, 19:35:21
I can't run my IDE DVD-RW drive in DMA mode, it seems to be a common problem with P965 NEO mainboard. At the moment I can live with it, I've tried different JMicron drivers without success. I use BIOS v1.5, maybe I should try the new v1.6.
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P35 Neo2-fr cannot unable to show IDE Dvd-rw in XP

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P965 neo-f, DVD-ROM is really slow

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Intel E6300 Core 2 Duo (no over-clocking)
MSI P965 Neo-f (latest bios, v1.50)
1Gb DDR2 RAM
ATI X800PRO 256mb
160GB HDD
DVD-ROM
I'm having a few problems with this new set up. All optical drives that I have used with this computer are REALLY slow. I'm not exactly sure what is causing this problem but I do know that in the Device Manager this IDE drive is currently in PIO mode and will not change. I have a exact same DVD-Rom in another PC which is running in Ultra DMA 5 mode. Does anyone know how to fix this?

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Reboot, enter bios, under the SATA/RAID PIO and DMA settings in the BIOS change the bottom setting from IDE to Disable, boot to windows.
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I just bought a MSi P965 Neo-F motherboard and when i boot the pc because bios cant find the DVD driver and
i cant start my windows xp 64.
I thought og upgrading bios but i cant because i dont have floppy driver and my cd drive is unknown for bios.
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plz..

Quote from: Zimbower on 14-February-07, 18:50:18
Hi,
yes i do get the green message about the dvd in green color after the memory check(MSI logo)
somthing like ODD0 DVD RW
I will try the second option you recommended,thx alot.
Hello, welcome to forum. if you are planing to update BIOS:
get P965 Neo BIOS ver. 1.6 CD Image (have modded boot record and integrate JMB361 Dos drivers.)
How do i flash it?
Extract image file from archive, and burn it to CD.(example: open it with nero burning rom and burn image file to CD)
Make and ensure PC is stable, then reboot PC and boot from CD. you will need to confirm twice BIOS update when asked.
after BIOS update is complete successfully, power down your PC, remove power cord from the PSU, hit few time power button to drain electrify from capacitors, touch some metal with hands to discharge any ES which you may have, then open the case and Clear CMOS then pull back power cord, and turn on your PC, will be notice CMOS CHEKSUM MISMATCH/ERROR, hit F1 to continue to rebuild DMI Pool Data, then reboot your PC, and enter in BIOS and LOAD BIOS DEFAULT, SAVE AND EXIT, go back to BIOS and apply your customs settings.
if you want to use USB key to flash BIOS, copy AWFL865.EXE & W7235IMS.160 to USB drive, reboot PC and boot from bootable location, (hold "SHIFT" key when starting loading from bootable device to bypass startup files to avoid loading memory managers and other applications) navigate to folder which containt flash program and BIOS file and type from there:
AWFL865.EXE W7235IMS.160 /cks/sn/py/cc/cd/cp/wb/ld/qi/f/e

[SOLVED!] DVDRW can't burn on JMicron IDE (MSI P965 Neo)

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edit: i have solved it! i changed my IDE cable (i originally used the IDE cable that came with my dvd-drive, which was a 40pin IDE cable) with the 80pin IDE cable that came with the motherboard. installed jmicron driver, and i can burn now. no more errors from nero
I have an LG GSA-H10N DVD writer.
it's connected on the only IDE slot in MSI P965 Neo motherboard.
Nero Express log file says:
=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
DiskPeripheral : ST380811AS atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : HL-DT-STDVDRAM GSA-H10N JL10 JRAID Port 4 ID 0 DMA: Off
i asked around, DMA should be turned on, says all other forums.
Jmicron RAID controller is installed. all jmicron drivers installed.
how to turn on DMA?
bios is set to IDE (and not RAID/Disabled).
please help. this is giving me headaches. i have lost money thinking i bought defective dvds to burn on, only to find out DMA is not ON (and i can't turn it on anywhere).

I wouldn't call this "solved" would you? Mabe patched...
Yes I am having the same problem:
If I use the Intel IDE drivers, you *can* burn, but it takes literally at least an hour MIN per DVD. Also it maxes out @ 6X for ripping audio CDs. Yes, and this cripples your entire system, everything is super slow, even the mouse is choppy. One of your CPU's will also be maxed out @ 100%. Sound may be also affected while using any DVD drive.
If I use the "latest" 1.14 JMicron Drivers, I can't burn at all. Windows "says" it's a DVDRW, but there is no burn tab under properties, and Nero or other applications say there is no burner (but the "virtual" ISO burner). However, I can rip at full speed again, no choppy, so sound issues.
Here is a picture of what Device Manager looks like BEFORE you install JMicron Drivers and AFTER:
http://www.hificomputers.net/hifi/Images/before_after.jpg
I Have tried messing with PIO modes and DMA in bios and windows. Nothing.
I have tried messing with DVD burner's firmware, nothing.
I have tried editing the registry and "forcing" windows to see the DVD Burner as a burner to FORCE the "burning" tab to come back, but still this doesn't affect anything. Still can't burn.
MSI do NOT use JCrapon again! Just search for jmicron in this forum and see all the problems with them! I've had at least 6 MSI boards and this is the first one I've not been satisfied with just because of JMicron. I don't know if this is a Bios fixable issue, but it seems like it should be a JMicron Drivers issue.
Harass JMicron Here:
(tech support email )
[email protected]
Keep me posted.
September 23

P965 Neo JMicron ?buggy? in PATA-mode and cannot install newest driver

I have a MSI P965 Neo and a PATA HDD (alone on the IDE-cable)
if I copy some big files over network (via onboard realtek) from 2 other computers in my network:
PATA:
a) files are ok (correct md5), without the JMicron-driver 1.06.01.00 from MSI website, but very slow speed and laggy mouse.
b) files are NOT ok, with JMicron-driver 1.06.01.00, speed is fast, mouse are ok.
if I use a PATA-2-SATA adapter from a friend and the HDD is
a) hooked on JMicron-SATA-Port, with JMicron-driver 1.06.01.00, files are ok.
b) hooked on intel-port, files are ok.
I did some tests with a dlink-NIC on msi mobo, but in PATA-mode on JMicron still errors.
so for the JMicron in PATA-mode there is a bug, in SATA-mode not.
I have hope with with the new driver from MSI site vesion 1.14.00.00 but this one won´t install - got a dialog with "updatedriverforplugandplaydevices: error".
any help ? coz I cannot use the PATA-2-SATA adapter from my friend forever and buying one isn´t a big deal but I paid already for not 100% bugfree msi p965 neo.
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filecopy from internal hdd to external usb-hdd, is not a problem, only over network. so JMicron in PATA-mode produces errors if realtek-onboard-chip is under load or an other NIC.
OS was WinXP SP2 32bit, but WinXP x64 has the same problem.
I tried also older realtek drivers but no success.
but Vista RC1 has no errors with filecopy over network with jmicron in pata-mode, with Vista´s default drivers for JMicron and realtek-nic

I got the same problem with "HANGING"... the whole system freezes (mouse and sound for example) when I access my DVD burner, e.g. wenn I insert a new DVD, and/or copy a file like VTS_04_1.VOB to my system (just for testing). I never experienced this behaviour in any PC system before... This isn't acceptable on a 2 gig, 6600 core 2 duo system.
I played World of Warcraft recently, and burned a video DVD from a hdd image file at the same time - which should be blindfoldly managed on a core 2 duo 6600.
on my old system (an amd, single core) the same action would have no effect on the game. But on my new MSI board system, there were major hangs to the game... Just when the system accessed the DVD burner.
More strange appears to me, that accessing the second DVD device, the DVD-R (just reading) doesn't cause any hangs to my system.
I never had any of this occurences in any PC before ... This must have something to do with the Jmicron IDE to SATA2 "bridge".
I got the JMB36X 1.14.01.exe and the latest BIOS
My system specifications read as follows:
1x 3R Systems DCase R202, silver be quiet
1x SilentMaxx 480Watts, 19dB extra silent
1x MSI P965 Neo-F Socket775, FSB800/1066 ATX PCI-E16x
2x CSX1024MB DDR2 DIMM, 800MHz, original Value
1x Core 2 Duo E6600 (2,4GHz 4MB), Box S775
1x GeForce 7900 GTX 512 MB Gigabyte, TV-Out/DVI Retail
2x SATA2 250GB Samsung SP2504C
1x LG GSA-H20L Black Lightscribe, Retail Nero+Kabel
1x Lite-ON DVD-ROM SHD-16H5S-05C, 16X
Hoping there will be a fix soon... I noticed this strange behaviour at once, when I installed Heroes of Might and Magic V (just after I bought my new system) and wondered, why the installation routine takes SOOOO long and consumes one core cpu completely....
Regards,
chingom

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I was wondering if someone can help me. I am trying to install Windows 7 x64 on my 320GB HDD that is connected to my MSI P965 Neo-F (MS-7235) mobo (The CPU is a Core2Duo 6600 with 6GB of RAM). I created a bootable USB 8GB flash drive using Microsoft's "Windows 7 DVD USB Download Tool" and bootsect.exe (Needed to create a boot sector on the USB drive) from the MS store. I successfully tested the resulting bootable USB drive using freeware MobaLiveCD (Sorry, you'll have to Google "mobalivecd" since this forum doesn't seem to allow external links) running under Windows XP SP3 x86 (32bit). Under MobaLive's QEMU, Windows 7 setup loaded its files and produced an error message basically saying that it could not install Windows 7 x64 under an x86 OS (No surprise there since QEMU is emulating a 32bit processor - The point is that the bootable USB drive I created works).
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Quote from: RemusM on 12-June-14, 17:51:30
The P965 Neo motherboard is 8 years old, so don't expect miracles. .... You need to format the USB stick in the proper way. You may use this utility to do it: hxxp://www.prime-expert.com/flashboot/ Also, it's a good idea to use the first (USB0) connector (controlled by Intel ICH8) for the USB flash drive. Good luck.
Thank You for your fast response, RemusM!
I'm not looking for a miracle. I'm just looking for a mobo that does what it is supposed to do: Allow me to boot from a USB flash drive (I don't think that is too much to ask for even from a board that was made in 2006)!
Thanks for recommending FlashBoot. I see under their "Why FlashBoot" section that it "... does not shift to user the burden of choice between "USB-ZIP" and "USB-HDD" at format time and proper BIOS setup at boot time. ... and every USB disk is formatted in such way that it will work in every environment properly, regardless of current BIOS setting.", so I will give it a try and let you know about the results afterwards.

MOVED: p965 Neo 2 board can't recognise samsung writemaster DVD writer

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https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=106623.0

Quote from: cyli
Just bought a P965 Neo 2 motherboard.
Connected harddisk to SATA cable and EIDE cable to samsung writemaster DVD writer. Not sure why BIOS can't detect the writemaster drive but can detect harddisk?
Quote from: Misha
Just bought the board. Installed it. will not boot from win xp or any other bootable cd rom. help
The Intel 965 (and 975) chipset does NOT support IDE/PATA.
For this reason, each mainboards manufacturer is using a 3rd party IDE controller.
In this case (P965 Neo2) MSI is using Marvell 88SE6111.
Any PATA device is not recognized in the first boot phase. You have to wait for the 2nd one (post-boot) in order to see it.
Check out your bootable devices (and their order) in BIOS: the CDROM option means SATA optical device, not PATA CDROM.
To select the PATA optical drive, search for something like ... DVD-RAM in those options.
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P31 Neo V2 , confused by SATA/IDE? SATA drive seemingly using UDMA 5?

HI guys. I am a little confused after using slipstreamed SATA drivers to install XP Pro SP3 on my new PC and a SATA 2 500gb drive.
When I look in device manager I dont see any SCSI controllers at all, under IDE controller I see ICH7 SATA and ICH7 UDMA drivers AND TWO primary IDE channels and TWO secondary channels.
When I look into the chanels, I only have 2 items attached (correct), one IDE DVD drive using one of the primary channels at UDMA 4 and the SATA 2 500 GB which is seemingly using the other primary IDE and running at UDMA 5!
How can I get the 500gb SATA 2 drive to use the SATA 2 - 3gb channel which is advertised for the board? At the moment it seems to be using IDE compatibility mode and I cant get it to move over to SATA whatever I do. The board has no AHCI option in the bios, only SATA on/off, IDE on/off. The default is both on, and thats how I installed windows XP.
Have I been conned when it said SATA 3gb capable?

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If none are needed then none will be used
I know. That is why I said it was unnecessary for this mainboard (none of the drivers are needed).
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IS he wrong?
Not entirely. Part of your statement in that forum was wrong. This part of your comment was correct:
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that its meant to be that way.
But this one wasn't:
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SATA is a form of IDE apparantly
SATA is not really a "form of IDE" (I never told you that and that user is right when he says "thats not correct"). The IDE/Legacy Mode is an operating mode of the SATA Controller which will allow Windows to handle SATA Drives as IDE Devices (for maximum plug&play compatibility). It does not mean that the SATA Drives operate as IDE Devices (or are IDE devices).
And this is what that user said as well:
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because your mainboard has Legacy modus enabled for the SATA controler/ports
There is no contradiction here. And to be more precise: The SATA Controller of the ICH7 Southbridge only supports IDE/Legacy Mode, so there is no way to put it into any other operating mode (AHCI or RAID).
I will attach a screenshot of my Device Manager (I use the German Version of XP, but you will find the important information anyway). I use a P45 Platinum. The SATA Controller integrated into the ICH10R Southbridge is currently running in IDE/Legacy Mode. My SATA-II HD is listed as being attached to the one of the Secondary IDE Channels. As you can see, Windows shows "UDMA 5".
I have used this drive on a number of Intel Boards (975X/ICH7DH Chipset, P35 Platinum/ICH9R Chipset, P965 Neo Combo/ICH8 Chipset). Whenever the SATA Controller is set to IDE/Legacy Mode, Windows will report IDE Channels and "UDMA 5". It is a side effect of the IDE/Legacy Mode (for which no SATA Drivers exist (at least not for Intel Chipsets) and no descriptive value whatsoever. This is basically the price you pay for such a plug & play compatibility mode (make Windows believe it is an IDE Drive), but it does not mean the drive is not operating within in specifications of SATA-II.

P965 Neo-F JMicron IDE concerns

I've always been a big MSI fan and I'd like to build a sytem with a core 2 duo and the P965 Neo-F. However, I've really been scared away by all of the reported difficulties with the JMicron controller. I will have one SATA hard drive and IDE opticals. My question is, have issues with the controller been resolved? Is it possible to get fast DVD read/write speeds with IDE opticals? Is there a method to get things to work properly? Thank you.
DeeJay

Hello,
I to have an MSI P965 Neo-F, from the day I had it and put my rig together I have had NOT one single problem with it at all, my dvdrw was set as master and plugged into the ide connector, my sata hard drive was plugged directly into the purple sata port. I DID NOT install any raid or scsi drivers whilst installing winxp, it installed with no input bar the product code and keyboard setup. I then installed all the drivers that came with the setup cd, which includes the Jmicron drivers. Both xp & drivers took about 25 mins. Once done everything was working fine NO problems or issues, no nothing, even after I updated the drivers using liveupdate still no issues at all.
I'v read that people have had trouble burning cds/dvds, low read speeds, etc... I didn't fiddle with anything in the bios prior to installing xp and I'v had no trouble whatso ever.
I think that this motherboard is tidy, it runs smoothly with no glitches, the overclocking I think is sweet enough without making major changes to your internal cooling. Reading all the bad reviews is enough to put anyone off, but not many people write reviews about how good this motherboard is, so here i am.
MSI P965 Neo-F is a dam fine motherboard. It works solidly and is one of the most stable MB's on the market. If people try not to fiddle too much with bios settings, that includes bets bios flashing, and everything before they set it up, then I think they would be more good reviews.

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