PA, ALSA, QL : buffer underruns and crackling audio

i'm running pulseaudio on up-to-date arch, with gnome atm.
The only way i can get the audio in quake live to stop stuttering (spamming buffer underruns in console ) is to set s_alsa_latency in the game very high (a little too high for gaming).
I found a topic with the same symptons on the QL forum but the solutions presented there didnt work for me (s_mixahead and s_mixprestep, s_alsa_latency, s_alsa_pcm to directly acces the divice, bypassing pulse, and setting pulse to time the traditional way). At least not without using very high values for latency(250ish).
I have also followed the arch pulseaudio wiki and the perfect setup guide from the pa website from start to finish multiple times now, but nothing seems to work.
The install is fresh, i reinstalled yesterday. Before that i had the same setup but everything worked (after some tinkering, although i dont remember what i did back then) 
So, i was asking myself, could i change something in pulse to fix this, instead of crapping up the latency? Any help on solving this great mistery is apreciated.

Try specifying period_size and buffer_size - see my config below, for more info.
In my experimentation, flash needs a buffer_size of over 6000, roughly.
E.g.:
period_size 1024
buffer_size 8192

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    Feb 15 13:11:24 pulseaudio[2865]: alsa-util.c: silence_size : 0
    Feb 15 13:11:24 pulseaudio[2865]: alsa-util.c: boundary : 4611686018427387904
    Feb 15 13:11:24 pulseaudio[2865]: alsa-util.c: Slave: Hardware PCM card 0 'HDA Intel' device 0 subdevice 0
    Feb 15 13:11:24 pulseaudio[2865]: alsa-util.c: Its setup is:
    Feb 15 13:11:24 pulseaudio[2865]: alsa-util.c: stream : CAPTURE
    Feb 15 13:11:24 pulseaudio[2865]: alsa-util.c: access : MMAP_INTERLEAVED
    Feb 15 13:11:24 pulseaudio[2865]: alsa-util.c: format : S16_LE
    Feb 15 13:11:24 pulseaudio[2865]: alsa-util.c: subformat : STD
    Feb 15 13:11:24 pulseaudio[2865]: alsa-util.c: channels : 2
    Feb 15 13:11:24 pulseaudio[2865]: alsa-util.c: rate : 48000
    Feb 15 13:11:24 pulseaudio[2865]: alsa-util.c: exact rate : 48000 (48000/1)
    Feb 15 13:11:24 pulseaudio[2865]: alsa-util.c: msbits : 16
    Feb 15 13:11:24 pulseaudio[2865]: alsa-util.c: buffer_size : 16384
    Feb 15 13:11:24 pulseaudio[2865]: alsa-util.c: period_size : 8192
    Feb 15 13:11:24 pulseaudio[2865]: alsa-util.c: period_time : 170666
    Feb 15 13:11:24 pulseaudio[2865]: alsa-util.c: tstamp_mode : ENABLE
    Feb 15 13:11:24 pulseaudio[2865]: alsa-util.c: period_step : 1
    Feb 15 13:11:24 pulseaudio[2865]: alsa-util.c: avail_min : 15424
    Feb 15 13:11:24 pulseaudio[2865]: alsa-util.c: period_event : 0
    Feb 15 13:11:24 pulseaudio[2865]: alsa-util.c: start_threshold : -1
    Feb 15 13:11:24 pulseaudio[2865]: alsa-util.c: stop_threshold : 4611686018427387904
    Feb 15 13:11:24 pulseaudio[2865]: alsa-util.c: silence_threshold: 0
    Feb 15 13:11:24 pulseaudio[2865]: alsa-util.c: silence_size : 0
    Feb 15 13:11:24 pulseaudio[2865]: alsa-util.c: boundary : 4611686018427387904
    Feb 15 13:11:24 pulseaudio[2865]: alsa-util.c: appl_ptr : 138856
    Feb 15 13:11:24 pulseaudio[2865]: alsa-util.c: hw_ptr : 138856
    lspci
    00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controller Hub (rev 03)
    00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 PCI Express Root Port (rev 03)
    00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 03)
    00:1a.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #5 (rev 03)
    00:1a.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #2 (rev 03)
    00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
    00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 03)
    00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 03)
    00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 3 (rev 03)
    00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 4 (rev 03)
    00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 5 (rev 03)
    00:1c.5 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 6 (rev 03)
    00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03)
    00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 03)
    00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 03)
    00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1 (rev 03)
    00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev f3)
    00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801HEM (ICH8M) LPC Interface Controller (rev 03)
    00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) SATA IDE Controller (rev 03)
    00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03)
    01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G92 [GeForce 8800M GTX] (rev a2)
    06:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation WiFi Link 5100
    08:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 01)
    0c:07.0 FLASH memory: ENE Technology Inc ENE PCI Memory Stick Card Reader Controller
    0c:07.1 SD Host controller: ENE Technology Inc ENE PCI SmartMedia / xD Card Reader Controller
    0c:07.3 FLASH memory: ENE Technology Inc ENE PCI Secure Digital / MMC Card Reader Controller
    0c:09.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6306/7/8 [Fire II(M)] IEEE 1394 OHCI Controller (rev c0)
    cat /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
    options snd-hda-intel model=clevo-m720
    options snd-hda-intel power_save=0
    options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=1
    Note that these options were added for further tests, they make absolutely no difference to the problem when left out.
    lsmod
    Module Size Used by
    cryptd 7709 0
    aes_x86_64 7428 3
    aes_generic 26314 1 aes_x86_64
    ipv6 280810 20
    btusb 11689 0
    bluetooth 53970 1 btusb
    fuse 64912 3
    arc4 1394 2
    cpufreq_ondemand 8716 0
    nvidia 10084294 40
    ecb 2057 2
    snd_usb_audio 87191 2
    acpi_cpufreq 5977 1
    freq_table 2339 2 cpufreq_ondemand,acpi_cpufreq
    mperf 1259 1 acpi_cpufreq
    snd_usbmidi_lib 18484 1 snd_usb_audio
    iwlagn 358041 0
    snd_rawmidi 19525 1 snd_usbmidi_lib
    iwlcore 92743 1 iwlagn
    snd_seq_dummy 1479 0
    snd_seq_oss 29368 0
    snd_seq_midi_event 5516 1 snd_seq_oss
    snd_seq 50594 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event
    snd_seq_device 5281 4 snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq
    snd_pcm_oss 39669 0
    snd_mixer_oss 17858 1 snd_pcm_oss
    usbhid 36375 0
    hid 77863 1 usbhid
    joydev 10183 0
    sg 25972 0
    snd_hda_codec_si3054 3870 1
    mac80211 199564 2 iwlagn,iwlcore
    snd_hda_codec_realtek 295557 1
    lirc_ite8709 5705 0
    snd_hda_intel 21837 4
    video 11923 0
    output 1988 1 video
    usb_storage 43276 0
    uas 8170 0
    sdhci_pci 7454 0
    lirc_dev 9759 1 lirc_ite8709
    snd_hda_codec 74609 3 snd_hda_codec_si3054,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel
    uhci_hcd 22230 0
    ac 3217 0
    thermal 7890 0
    processor 25265 3 acpi_cpufreq
    container 2541 0
    button 4882 0
    battery 10279 0
    firewire_ohci 26921 0
    intel_agp 10504 0
    cfg80211 139317 3 iwlagn,iwlcore,mac80211
    intel_gtt 15215 1 intel_agp
    psmouse 53237 0
    firewire_core 49974 1 firewire_ohci
    snd_hwdep 6222 2 snd_usb_audio,snd_hda_codec
    r8169 36286 0
    snd_pcm 72481 6 snd_usb_audio,snd_pcm_oss,snd_hda_codec_si3054,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec
    snd_timer 19537 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
    snd 58938 26 snd_usb_audio,snd_usbmidi_lib,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_hda_codec_si3054,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_timer
    ehci_hcd 37571 0
    soundcore 6161 1 snd
    mii 3842 1 r8169
    usbcore 139048 9 btusb,snd_usb_audio,snd_usbmidi_lib,usbhid,usb_storage,uas,uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd
    serio_raw 4566 0
    pcspkr 1835 0
    crc_itu_t 1313 1 firewire_core
    sdhci 17174 1 sdhci_pci
    shpchp 26725 0
    i2c_i801 8230 0
    wmi 8061 0
    snd_page_alloc 7361 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
    mmc_core 62378 1 sdhci
    pci_hotplug 24655 1 shpchp
    i2c_core 19078 2 nvidia,i2c_i801
    evdev 9361 19
    iTCO_wdt 10925 0
    iTCO_vendor_support 1817 1 iTCO_wdt
    rfkill 16122 2 bluetooth,cfg80211
    ext3 125159 2
    jbd 46953 1 ext3
    mbcache 5802 1 ext3
    sr_mod 15402 0
    cdrom 36363 1 sr_mod
    sd_mod 27120 4
    pata_acpi 3296 0
    ata_piix 21670 3
    libata 169364 2 pata_acpi,ata_piix
    scsi_mod 125814 6 sg,usb_storage,uas,sr_mod,sd_mod,libata
    cat /etc/rc.conf | grep DAEMONS=
    DAEMONS=(syslog-ng !network netfs dbus hal networkmanager !wicd alsa crond @postgresql irqbalance kdm)
    Leaving out irqbalance doesn't change anything either.
    uname -a
    Linux - 2.6.37-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Jan 29 20:00:33 CET 2011 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T9300 @ 2.50GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
    yaourt -Q nvidia pulseaudio libvdpau
    extra/nvidia 260.19.36-2
    extra/pulseaudio 0.9.22-2
    extra/libvdpau 0.4.1-1
    extra/alsa-lib 1.0.23-2
    aplay -l
    **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
    card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC883 Analog [ALC883 Analog]
    Subdevices: 0/1
    Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
    card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: ALC883 Digital [ALC883 Digital]
    Subdevices: 1/1
    Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
    card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 6: Si3054 Modem [Si3054 Modem]
    Subdevices: 1/1
    Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
    card 1: Audio [USB Audio], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]
    Subdevices: 1/1
    Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
    I'd be really thankful for any hint that could lead to the solution of the problem.
    Regards
    apriori

    If i run
    modprobe snd_hda_intel vendor=0x10de product=0x0e0a
    then this gets printed to the kernel log
    [ 655.731520] snd_hda_intel: unknown parameter 'vendor' ignored
    [ 655.731527] snd_hda_intel: unknown parameter 'product' ignored
    [ 655.731856] hda_intel: Disabling MSI
    [ 655.731871] hda-intel 0000:01:00.1: Handle VGA-switcheroo audio client
    [ 656.739954] hda-intel 0000:01:00.1: Codec #0 probe error; disabling it...
    I've tried vid, pid, vendor_id and product_id as parameters, none work. And if i issue modinfo on this module i can't really find a parameter that looks like vendor/product id.
    The same happens if i try adding parameters to the loading of snd_hda_codec_hdmi.

  • ITunes Stream Stuttering and Crackling Noises (Temporary Work Around Option

    Note: If you don’t take the time from your busy schedule to address these suggestions being provided in this and future upcoming series, then by all mean continue with what you were doing before and continue to experience the frustrations and problems. The series is not meant to be a cure-all for the problems you are having. But the information will go a long way toward correcting and improving a lot of issues that you may be having with your system. Think About It !!!!!!!!!!
    I listen to the radio a lot using the iTunes player as well as listen to music that I have transferred to the player. When a problem occurs it aggravates me to no end especially if it is occurring when I am try to relax to my music. At times I am also experiencing the stuttering and crackling issues in the 7.0 update that has been recently released. The following information can be useful in temporarily correcting this problem until Apple comes up with a patch to resolve this issue. If you choose to proceed with implementing this information then you assume any liability that may occur during your attempts at using and applying this information. This information has so far suited any needs that I may or am currently having to date personally.
    1)Quick Time Preferences – In the Quick Time Preferences\Audio tab check to make sure that the settings are at the default level. Your platform may reflect a different khz Rate. On my platform my default level will be the following:
    Rate: 44.1 khz
    Size: 16 bit
    Channels: Stereo (L R)
    When I listen to my music I like a good quality stereo sound so I have my audio sound routed from my laptop to my CD or Video jacks in the back of my stereo. Stereo System: Pioneer SX 251R Receiver. External Speakers: 2 - 8 ohm Yamaha.
    Make sure the Safe Mode box is unchecked. Close the Quick Time player. Now, when you begin experiencing the stutter problem there are two immediate steps that you can try to correct the problem:
    1)Stop the stream or the music that you are listening too and restart the service each time that the event occurs, (In my case the events that have been occurring has not been consistent when they do occur. Close monitoring in place on all connection ports. Running Snap In’s deployed: IPSec Monitor/MMC Console– Currently monitoring IKE and IPSec Statistics for any changes. To run this snap in properly the Event Monitor must be in the running state and actively logging events in the Administrative\Event Viewer Folder) I will also be configuring Dr Watson to generate a Stack and Dump file log to the desk top in the event of an unexpected occurrence. or,
    2)If that does not correct the problem then try the following: Go to the My Computer folder and open it up. When you have done so, Right click the Local Disk and enter the Properties section. When the Local Disk Properties box comes up, enter the Tools tab, in the Error Checking section, place a check mark in the “Automatically Fix System Errors” and click start\yes. Back out of that and close all running programs including firewall in the tray next to your clock and reboot the system.
    Once you have rebooted run the Disk Cleanup utility and the Disk Defragmenter utility. While we are using the Disk Defragmenter lets take an extra step to insure that we defragging the hard drive volumes as much as possible. Click on the analyze button a second time. If there are any entries in the box highlight the first entry and run the Defrag utility a second time.
    Tip! If you would get in the habit of running defrag process regularly on a daily basis it will help improve the overall baseline performance of your machine.
    Last Step: Open your player and try again.
    If you are still experiencing the problem and it hasn’t leveled out to your satisfaction then there are two additional steps that I have personally used or am currently using that may help with your issues. The steps will involve installing a small batch file program and a hot fix patch.
    User Profile Hive Cleanup Service– (Batch Program) Open your Browser and type in the following address: www.microsft.com once the page has loaded look for the search bar in the upper right hand corner of the page. In the search bar type in the following: “User Profile Hive Cleanup Service”. Once the search result page comes up click on the first result to bring up the proper download page. Before you can use this batch program you will be required to go through a short validation process before you can download the program. The validation process is to ensure that you are running a genuine windows platform.
    Overview
    The User Profile Hive Cleanup service helps to ensure user sessions are completely terminated when a user logs off. System processes and applications occasionally maintain connections to registry keys in the user profile after a user logs off. In those cases the user session is prevented from completely ending. This can result in problems when using Roaming User Profiles in a server environment or when using locked profiles as implemented through the Shared Computer Toolkit for Windows XP.
    On Windows 2000 you can benefit from this service if the application event log shows event id 1000 where the message text indicates that the profile is not unloading and that the error is "Access is denied". On Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 either event ids 1517 and 1524 indicate the same profile unload problem.
    To accomplish this the service monitors for logged off users that still have registry hives loaded. When that happens the service determines which application have handles opened to the hives and releases them. It logs the application name and what registry keys were left open. After this the system finishes unloading the profile.
    Once you have downloaded and installed the batch file close all running programs and reboot. Now, ‘This is important”, lets determine if the batch file is properly running after installation. Go to Start\Help and Support. Once the Help and Support Center comes up click on the following link: “Use tools to view your computer information and diagnose problems” under the “Pick a task” section. Once the page has been loaded in the left hand pane click on the “Advanced System Information” link. Once that page has been loaded click on the following link: View detailed system information (Msinfo32.exe).
    Once the System Information box is loaded look in the left pane and open the Software Environment Tree and click on the following link: Windows Error Reporting. If the batch program is properly running you should see the following entry: “User profile hive cleanup service version 1.6.30.0 started successfully
    &#x00a”. The ending symbols may be different on your platform.
    Now, we want to go to another location in your system to verify this entry and that this service is properly working again. Pull up your “Control Panel” and enter the “Administrative Tools” folder. Once there enter the “Event Viewer” folder. Then enter the “Application Folder”. If the service is properly working the following entry will be logged: User profile hive cleanup service version 1.6.30.0 started successfully, Event ID 1001. If for some reason this program is not functioning properly a different error code other then the Event Id 1001 will be generated and logged in this folder. Also if one is generated you will want to verify if it’s a genuine error. To do this you need to go back into the help and support center Advanced System Information link and click on the following link: “View the error log”. If anything goes wrong a corresponding general entry that was logged in the Event Viewer will be logged in this link verifying that a problem had occurred. All of the information in the logs will be useful in your trouble shooting efforts. To date I have not had any measurable conflicts to occur while using this batch program to date. Closing Overview: when this program engages it will target itself at the Kernel System only at shutdown and startup. A corresponding entry will be made in the folders that I have described above stating that the program had started or failed.
    System Restore Feature and USB Device’s – Event Viewer\System and Application Folders\Event ID SR 1 (Hot Fix Patch) – I have noticed that some folks are loading and unloading iTunes in attempt to correct problems. Also, I see by the forum board that a lot of folks are having a lot of problems with their iPods. Think about this for a moment, iPods will have their own unique set of drivers to operate from. I am going to attempt to explain an experience that occurred with me last year on this issue. When working with USB Devices it is important to keep your eyes on the Event Viewer folders for the following event id being logged: Event ID SR 1. This is especially true if you are using your System Restore Feature. The main folders that you want to keep your eyes on are the “System\Application” folders.
    I have not witnessed any specific Software Applications generating this code in general at this point in time. But when it comes to Software and USB Devices I have personally experienced a situation that did cause a SR 1 entry last year. Example: My wife has Sevier medical problems. When we travel I keep a USB Flash Drive on my key chain with her medical information installed in case of an emergence. The Medic Alert E-Health Key was a new device that came out that had bugs that needed resolved just as with iTunes 7.0. The short of the story is that the flash drive was conflicting with the System Restore Feature, which led to additional problems such as conflicts in the Add/Remove Utility. I could not properly unload the Uninstall .Dll files when trying to uninstall the flash drive itself using the Add/Remove Utility. During a conversation with a Microsoft Support tech I was informed that other unloading issues had also been identified in the Add/Remove Utility. I could be wrong but I think there is a patch available that would help with unloading issues while using the Add/Remove Utility. To keep an eye on any possible loading/unloading issues that I may have while using the Add/Remove Utility, I use the following program to determine if there any issue’s that I need to deal with: (30 Day Trial Program-Fully Functional)
    http://www.mikasalonen.com/remove/?remove40
    Program Name: Remove 4.0. All of the information you need to know about this program will be summarized in the provided link. If anything: USE IT !!!!
    NOTE: This SR 1 patch is only a temporary hot fix. They are suggesting that we wait until the next Windows XP service pack release that contains the hot fix.
    Article Id : 888402
    Last Review : June 01, 2006
    Revision : 1.5
    Also keep this in mind. The only time that you want to become concerned about the SR 1 issue is when you notice an increase in the number of SR 1 entries in Event viewer logs. If you are logging two (2) or more events then I would begin investigating the problem. Again, In my case the System Restore Feature was identified as the initial cause of conflict when the conflict first occurred when loading the USB Flash Drivers. So, if you suddenly notice this entry in the Event Viewer then you can pretty much bet that you are experiencing a USB issue that is conflicting with the System Restore Feature. But there is a Hot Fix available to temporarily resolve this issue as I have stated. Go back to the Microsoft link that was provided. When the page loads, in the search bar in the upper right hand corner of the page type in the following KB 888402. Be Advised – if you have to resort to this measure you will have to contact the Microsoft Support Team directly by phone to receive this patch.
    When you talk to the tech you will need to provide the following information: A brief description if the Event being generated in the Event Viewer as well as a brief description of the problem that you are having. Once the tech has verified the information he/she will e-mail the hot fix to you in a zip folder if I’m not mistaken.
    System and Third Party Drivers
    Drivers can be another source of conflict that can have a direct impact on how your system operates. I have already given you an example of this in the System Restore/USB Devices section. They can also cause unexpected stability issues. In addition to that malicious Root Kits and Trojans can download drivers on your hard drive without your knowledge further complicating matters. So, before I close this information out let me show you how we can quickly gather and display a listing of all drivers that are currently installed on you hard drive by using a very simple program. (This program will be a 15-day Trial program).
    Program Name: My Drivers 3.11
    With this program you will be able filter out all preinstalled drivers that came with the system at the time of purchase, thus exposing the remaining Third Party drivers and as well as the Unknowns. If you know what your doing I would take this time now and disable the drive(s) in question if removal procedures are deemed necessary once you have obtained the driver listing. My overall objective with this program is to immediately determine if there is anything out of the norm with the drivers overall.
    A download link is unavailable at this time. The web site appears to be under construction at this time.
    As a final step on this issue I suggest keeping an eye on the Device Manager for any sudden “Yellow Warning Symbols” appearing within the Device Manager Tree Structure.
    Print this information off and us it as a reference point. Any new helpful hints that I can think of will be posted as soon as I can squeeze the time in.
    Jblittlejohn
    Toshiba Satellite 1135/S155 Laptop
    Windows XP Home SP2
    Build 2600
    DSL Lite – 2Wire

    Oh, also want to add that the PC I'm currently using is:
    Windows Vista Home Premium Service Pack 2
    My other PC was:
    Windows 7 Ultimate
    My MacBook is:
    Max OSX 10.5.something (the last update available for it. .8 maybe? haha)
    Not sure if this stuff is important, but I thought I'd add it.

  • Pops and crackles when using EAX in F.E.A.R.

    Here is my system:
    Windows 7 64-bit
    intel i7 930
    ASUS P6T:SE Mobo
    2x Nvidia GTX 470 SLI
    12GB DDR2 RAM
    1TB 7200 RPM HDD
    Creative X-Fi Titanium and the latest non-beta drivers
    -I also have the Windows PID patch and the SLI patch
    I recently discovered Alchemy and how it would enable EAX effects (though I'm still not exactly sure if EAX is responsible for the 3D positioning or if it's just some fancy processing to make sound effects sound cooler).
    That said, I noticed that after enabling Alchemy and EAX effects, F.E.A.R. started to make popping and crackling noises. But, these noises wouldn't start immediately. It would take a couple minutes before I started hearing them, and it would get progressively worse and worse. Eventually, the game itself would start stuttering and it became impossible to play because of the choppiness.
    I have never really experienced this with another game, and only noticed this behavior after enabling EAX effects. I have played F.E.A.R. before with no problems, granted, this was without EAX effects enabled.
    Furthermore, I have no idea what needs to be enabled. In the F.E.A.R. sound menu, I have these options:
    Hardware Mixing
    EAX 2.0
    Advanced EAX HD
    I can turn any combination of those on or off, and I'm not really sure which ones I should have on and off. Turning on Hardware Mixing and Advanced EAX HD seems to have the best results, but then the sound starts jacking up after playing for a few minutes and eventually, the actual gameplay itself will start becoming choppy, making it impossible to continue playing. It even becomes hard to navigate the menus because the cursor is affected by the choppiness as well.
    And the popping and crackling even continues after I exit the game, even in Windows, but to a lesser extent. And it seems to quit completely after a few minutes. Very strange.
    Also, I tried disabling SLI and it did not seem to make a difference.
    What is going on here? I just want to play this game with 5.1 surround sound and, preferably, EAX, because I do like the way it sounds. It's just that I can't play with EAX because it starts jacking up after awhile.
    Edit: It seems that turning on "Hardware Mixing" enables discrete 5.1 channels. Without Hardware Mixing on, I only get stereo output from F.E.A.R. Is this correct behavior? I'm testing further to see if the popping and crackling occurs when Hardware Mixing is enabled (but not any of the EAX settings). I'll report back when I know.
    Edit #2: After several minutes of playing with only Hardware Mixing enabled (and no EAX), no popping or crackling occurred. I will continue to test different combinations.
    Edit #3: After more testing, it seems that I can use Hardware Mixing (which enables discrete 5.1 channels) and Advanced EAX HD together, which sounds absolutely fantastic. I believe that the problem is caused when I enable EAX 2.0 -- even if I immediately disable it, it seems like it actually starts causing a problem. So what I did was completely restart the game (and my computer) and ONLY enable Hardware Mixing and Advanced EAX HD making sure not to touch EAX 2.0 at all, leaving it disabled.
    I've been playing for about an hour with no pops or crackles at all, let's hope it stays that way!
    tl;dr - Turning on EAX 2.0 and Advanced EAX HD at the same time can cause undesirable results even if you turn off EAX 2.0. Restart the game (and perhaps your computer) to make sure that when you start the game, EAX 2.0 is completely disabled and ONLY enable HW Mixing and Advanced EAX HD.
    Edit #4: Sadly, I am still noticing some intermittent popping, but after playing for awhile it never gets extremely bad. It is much less severe than earlier. Not sure where to go from here.

    Originally Posted by Thalyn
    Well, I found my copy of FEAR and loaded it up. Patched it to 1.08 (which meant re-downloading the patch, since the one I got before was the US version - mine game is apparently the UK one, which actually has a patch half the size) and fired it up.
    Just for curiosity I didn't install ALchemy straight away. As I suspected, none of the advanced sound mode options were enabled, which means they've just got an overly complicated menu. It could have just as easily been one option called "Audio Processing" with "Hardware", "EAX 2.0" and "EAX Advanced HD" as the available options - no need for a "Software" setting since it would be disabled without any of those, and the others could be en-/dis-abled based on your hardware capabilities. Oh well - chalk that one up to poor menu design.
    When I did install ALchemy, however, I just used the default settings - 4 buffers at 25 duration - and turned on all three options in-game. I played through until the first checkpoint in the 3rd "level" (after the third loading screen w/briefing) and didn't notice anything unwanted with the sound. It appears that I'm using ALchemy 1.43.21, going by the installation files properties, but in all honesty I'm just using what came with the latest Recon3D drivers.
    The nearest equivalent I can find for the X-Fi Titanium is a beta 1.43.06, but I might be able to find a way to upload the Recon3D one somewhere if you want to see if it works and fixes the problem. Alternatively, they can be extracted from the driver suite for the Recon3D easy enough. I use 7-Zip to do it, but other archive programs can probably do it as well. Look in the Audio\extras\Audio\ALchemy directory.
    It's a shame the protagonist in FEAR keeps wigging out. It's actually a pretty darned good shooter when it's not trying to warp your brain - but at least there's no baby crying like when Max Payne goes nuts.
    I just noticed that I get popping, crackling, and eventually game-freezing in Left 4 Dead 2, as well.
    I used Alchemy to enable EAX for Left 4 Dead to (I read in the FAQ on Creative's Alchemy page that you could enable it for source engine games), and while playing, I starting hearing pops and stuff just like as in F.E.A.R. Eventually, the game started lagging as well (like in F.E.A.R.), and I had to quit out. It even persisted in windows for a bit as I would notice it when changing the volume and hearing the little "ding" with a pop or crackle in it. I restarted my computer.
    I wonder if perhaps the problem isn't Alchemy, but if my sound card is overheating? But that seems a bit far-fetched. I do have two gpus which produce a lot of heat, but both of them stay within safe temperatures (though they do get close at times). In fact, one of them is even water-cooled, and it stays very cool.
    It just seems especially strange that, although diminished, the pops and crackles continue even when I quit to my desktop. I don't hear them unless a sound is playing, though. And even then, it is quite diminished from they way it was during the game.
    Also, how do I check my version of Alchemy? Could I not use the software update to get the latest version?
    Edit: I just tried the software update. It said that my version of Alchemy is 1.41.02, and that I have the latest version installed.
    Do different versions of Alchemy exist for different Creative cards? For example, perhaps 1.41.02 IS the most recent version for my x-fi titanium, but not for your recon3D.. Or can I use any version of Alchemy? Maybe getting the most recent version would fix my problems.
    Edit #2: I found version 1.43.06 of Alchemy. I went to the x-fi titanium's page on Creative's site and clicked on "beta application", and it was there. Downloading/installing now and testing.
    Edit #3: Version 1.43.06 of Alchemy does not seem to work. I do not get any EAX effects in F.E.A.R. at all, no matter which combination of options are enabled.
    Also, as a side note, does "EAX Effects" need to be enabled in the audio control panel? I've tried it both ways, but it doesn't seem to make a difference.

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