PA - Costing-Based and Account-Based

Hi All,
Please tell me what is Costing based PA and Account-based PA.
Thanks
Vinu

Hi,
Costing-Based Profitability Analysis
This type of Profitability Analysis is primarily designed to let you analyze profit quickly for the purpose of sales management. Its main features are, firstly, the use of value fields to group cost and revenue elements, and, secondly, automatic calculation of anticipated or accrual data (valuation). The advantage of this method is that data is always up‑to‑date and therefore provides an effective instrument for controlling sales.
Account-Based Profitability Analysis
This type of Profitability Analysis enables you to reconcile cost and financial accounting at any time using accounts. In contrast to costing‑based Profitability Analysis, this type uses cost and revenue elements, which gives you a unified structure for all of accounting.
The system posts all revenues and costs to both Financial Accounting and Profitability Analysis at the same time and using the same valuation method. This means that the cost of sales is posted to Profitability Analysis at the point of goods issue.
Regards,
Eli

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Costing based and account based

HI All
Kindly let me know difference between costing based copa and accounting based copa with examples
Thanks & Regards
Phaneendra

Two forms of Profitability Analysis are supported: costing-based and account-based.
Costing-based Profitability Analysis is the form of profitability analysis that groups
    costs and revenues according to value fields and costing-based valuation approaches,
    both of which you can define yourself. It guarantees you access at all times to
    a complete, short-term profitability report.
Account-based Profitability Analysis is a form of profitability analysis organized in
    accounts and using an account-based valuation approach. The distinguishing
    characteristic of this form is its use of cost and revenue elements. It provides you with
    a profitability report that is permanently reconciled with financial accounting.
You can also use both of these types of CO-PA simultaneously.
(courtesy: help.sap.com)
It is strongly recommended, however, that you do not activate both types of CO-PA. The
major reason being is that you will have significant table size impacts. You must be careful
with account based CO-PA as this creates additional line items in the existing CO tables of
COEP (actual), COEJ (plan), COSP & COSS (summary records). Hence if you want to do any
cost center reporting, say, from any of these existing tables you will run the risk that
performance will be degraded by these additional and unnecessary records.
The only advantage of account based over costing based CO-PA is it's ability to
automatically reconcile back to FI, in much the same manner as you would reconcile
cost center accounting back to FI. However you don't have the flexibility in account
based CO-PA to perform valuations using product cost estimates etc. as you do in
costing based CO-PA. If the reason you were advised to turn on account based CO-PA
as well as costing based was to facilitate reconciliation, it is suggested that you look
at alternatives that won't have the same negative impacts that turning on account
based would have. In addition to the serious table space issues, it is not that easy to
turn on and off account based at will (especially in production).
Instead what you should look at doing is creating a series of reports that enable you to
reconcile costing based CO-PA back to CCA/PCA and FI, if this is required. The complexity
of the costing based functionality you have used will determine the complexity of the
reports that will be needed to reconcile back, but it can be done without turning on
account based CO-PA.

Costing Based And Account based COPA - Need Assistance

Hello All,
In our project, with no other option we are planning to implement both costing based and account based COPA. I have been told that it is not recommended by SAP because for every entry there will two line items, one in cost based and another in account based (Correct me if I am wrong). But I could not understand why it is creating 2 line items in COPA. - Please help to understand this concept with an Example.
Thanks
PM

Hi
Costing based and account based COPA serve the same purpose... analyze profitability of the product ....
Costing based COPA should always be preferred over account based COPA, as it provides greater flexibility, some extra features, some extra planning mechanism and faster reports
Following are the point of differences between Costing based vs. Account based copa (ABC)
1. Account based copa uses transaction tables (COEP, BSEG) and hence affects performance of CO transactions.CBC takes values from CE1XXXX to CE4XXXX tables. XXXX means Operating Concern name.
2. Estimated / Statistical values not possible in ABC, say, calculating frieght upon invoice on a thumb rule basis to have better view of profitability per customer.. no valuation strategy in Accounts based COPA..
3. Reports based on line items not possible in ABC.. possible in CBC.
4 Actual Top Down distribution only available in CBC not in ABC .
5. Revaluation of actual data to plan data is not available in ABC
6. No key figure schemes are available in ABC
7. In ABC, settlement cost elements are used to settle values to prof segments unlike value fields in CBC
8. Production variance / COGS accounts shud be defined as cost element in ABC.
System creates a document for each type of COPA as it stores values in different tables and what you can do with this data also differs like you can do TOP down in Costing Based Copa..
Hence, you will have two COPA documents always......................
Fot further clarifications .. please revert back..
Regards
Sarada

COPA - costing based and accounting based

Hi Expert,
If the COPA implemented using acounting based and later can it change to costing based? 9 my client is using ECC6
Please advice what will be the impact if the changes can be made or it is possible to do this way.
Can any expert advice on this.
Thanks & Regards

Hi Sridhar,
Thanks for your reply, can you explain if we want to stop one of the method, what is the steps that need to be done?
thanks again!

Difference Between Cost and Account Based COPA

Hi
What is the difference between Cost and Account based COPA from a BI perspective ( both functionally and technically)
Thanks
Rashmi.

Hi Rashmi,
Greetings.
There is lot of reading material available on forums and help.sap.com
For start you can try with this:
Link:[http://help.sap.com/saphelp_46c/helpdata/en/7a/4c37ef4a0111d1894c0000e829fbbd/content.htm]
Thanks
Sachin

Differance between the Cost based costing and Account based costing

Hi,
What is the Differance between the Cost Based Costing and Account Based Costing ?

You can check sap note 69384
COSTING-BASED PROFITABILITY ACCOUNT-BASED PROFITABILITY
ANALYSIS ANALYSIS
OBJECTIVE
o profitability and sales accounting
o evaluation of market segments (for example,
customers, product groups, sales areas) and corporate
units (for example, division, sales organization) with
regard to their profit or contribution margins
o calculation of profits procedures
- cost-of-sales accounting
- interim and reconciled sales report
- periodic and transaction-based allocation
- Profitability Analysis on the basis of full and
direct costs
o posted and costing-based values o account-based values
o can be reconciled with FI for o always reconciled with
account groups (revenues, sales FI on account level
deductions, costs of goods
Note 69384 - Information: Account-based Profitability Analysis
manufactured, and so on)
DATA STRUCTURES
o definition of operating concerns o definition of operating
with fixed characteristics and concerns with fixed and useruser-
defined characteristics defined characteristics
and value fields
o cumulative storage by posting o cumulative storage by
periods and weeks posting periods
o storage in operating concern o controlling area currency,
currency (as of Release 4.0 also company code currency
optional in company code currency and transaction currency
if req.)
o user-definable summarization levels
FUNCTIONS
o transfer of profit relevant o transfer of profit-relevant
business transactions from SD, FI activities from SD, FI, CO, MM
CO, MM (revenues, sales deductions (revenues, sales deductions and
and costs organized by value fields) costs organized by accounts)
o Derivation of characteristics from master
data or using derivation rules
o Realignments also for data that is already
posted
o Valuation
(Costs of goods manufactured, imputed
costs and sales deductions)
o sales and profit planning o profit planning
- flexible layout - flexible layout
- periodic distribution - periodic distribution
- valuation, revaluation - forecast procedure
- forecast procedure - top-down distribution
- top-down distribution - simulation
- simulation
o profit analysis by means of 'interactive drill-down
reporting'
- Report Painter
- object list/ranking lists, database schema
- drill-down
- key figure systems
- flexible hierarchies
- navigation between reports
- exception reporting
- ABC analyses
- Exporting (Excel, Winword, Mail)

Differences between Costing based COPA and Account based COPA

Hi,
I wanted to know the main differences between Costing based COPA and Account based COPA?
For which scenarios account based COPA used and for which scenarios costing based copa used.
please guide me
sateesh

HI
Costing-based Profitability Analysis is the form of profitability analysis that groups costs and revenues according to value fields and costing-based valuation approaches, both of which you can define yourself. It guarantees you access at all times to a complete, short-term profitability report.
Account-based Profitability Analysis is a form of profitability analysis organized in accounts and using an account-based valuation approach. The distinguishing characteristic of this form is its use of cost and revenue elements. It provides you with a profitability report that is permanently reconciled with financial accounting
Regards,
Vijayanand Sankaran

Cost and account based copa

hi,
what is the difference for cost bases copa and account based copa?
thanks

In costing based COPA the values are captured at PGI where as in Account based copa teh values are captured at the time of Invoice.

Change COPA from costing based to account based

dear friends,
one of our clients is upgrading from 4.6C to ECC 6.00. as part of this upgrade they want to change the COPA from costing based to account based.
Whether this can be done?
If yes, how it can be done and what all precautions need to be take care of?
If no, what are the reasons due to which it should not be done?
thank you for the help.
bajee prasad

Hi,
Let me try to answer to get full points from you. It is a very tricky question.
You can add Account based COPA in addition to Cost based COPA. It is advisable not to delete Cost Based COPA.
Go to Tr. Code KEA0. In the Data Structure Tab, click the change button. Now you can tick the Account based type of PA.
Then go to Environment tab, click the activation button. System will run for some time and both the types of PA gets the environment. These changes are not transportable. You need to do it by opening the system. You can test this in your quality system and then try in Production. I caution that you need to take a backup of the system so as to meet any worst scenario. All the best.
Cheers,

Cost distrunution and account aasignment

Hi Expert
I am having confusion regarding cost distribution (0027) and account assignment feature (1008-PPOM INH).
1- We distribute the employees cost in Pa30 by maintaining IT27 and again we maintain the same in OM at org unit and position level.
2-when we create the org structure in OM through simple maintenance than again this field displayed there.
Pls do let me know, exactly where we should maintain these cost distribution and account assignment feature.
Regarrds
Sachin

Hi Sachin,
It is purely depends on the client requirement like how does he pull the reports.
If he wants to pull the report based on Org Unit/Department or Position Level --> Better to define it in Org Mgmt
If he wants to pull the report based on Employee Level --> Better to define it in PA (IT0027)
If we maintain in both OM and PA, ultimately sys takes it from IT0027 (it is considered as Master Cost Center)
As you say that if client is having ECM.. In this scenario, it is advisible to define in Org Mgmt.
Good Luck...!!
KK

Description of cost centers and accounting in purchase order

Hi
Staff would like the transactions of purchase order in the tab appears Account Assignment description of cost center and account numbers next to them?
sorry for my english,
Antonio

Hi Antonio,
Standard PO layout does not support your requirement i think, but you can do that with a BADI.
Check OLME - Purchasing - Business Add-Ins for Purchasing - BAdI: Customer's Own Screens in Enjoy Purchase Order .
Must take the help of Abaper to do this, hope he can guide you in better way.
thanks and regards
Praveen.J

Reconciliation of costing based COPA and account based COPA

hi experts,
I want reconciliation statement of A/c based copa and costing based copa through SAP. we have not configured any account based copa reports. now we are manually doing the reconciliation. Please tell me the configuration.
Thanks & regards
jay

HI
Costing-based Profitability Analysis is the form of profitability analysis that groups costs and revenues according to value fields and costing-based valuation approaches, both of which you can define yourself. It guarantees you access at all times to a complete, short-term profitability report.
Account-based Profitability Analysis is a form of profitability analysis organized in accounts and using an account-based valuation approach. The distinguishing characteristic of this form is its use of cost and revenue elements. It provides you with a profitability report that is permanently reconciled with financial accounting
Regards,
Vijayanand Sankaran

COPA Costed and Account based

Hi Experts,
I have running In BW, PA Costed based, and now I need activate PA accounted based extractor.
a) does somebody have any doc or how-to papers, specific about COPA Accounted?
b) can will appear any issue or problem about my current PA costed based loads?
c) how can I see with pa model (costed or account based) is running in the R/3 instalation?
Thank you in adavance!

Hi,
Costing-based Profitability Analysis is the form of profitability analysis that groups costs and revenues according to value fields and costing-based valuation approaches, both of which you can define yourself. It guarantees you access at all times to a complete, short-term profitability report.
Account-based Profitability Analysis is a form of profitability analysis organized in accounts and using an account-based valuation approach. The distinguishing characteristic of this form is its use of cost and revenue elements. It provides you with a profitability report that is permanently reconciled with financial accounting
Hope this helps
Regards,
Aparna

COST ELEMENTS IN ACCOUNT BASED COPA

Hi all,
1. I understand that all FI/GL accounts correspond to COST   ELEMENTS in COPA.
2. I also understand that there are NO value fields in an Account Based Profitability Analysis.So there is no VALUE FIELD to KEY FIGURE mapping.
3. My question is: how do we map each individual GL account into BI?
4. If we dont map each individual GL account, how do we report these accounts in BI?
This part of Account based has been very confusing. I have searched numerous posts, but they all have the same answers, none that explains how we handle the numeric fields of account based profitability analysis.
Cheers
TJ

You will have a KF lets say amount
In account based COPA your Cost and revenue elements will identify what does the value in this KF corresponds to.
your report will look something like below:
Ex:
Cost and Revenue Element #     Amount
800 - Revenues                     1,000,000
808 - Sales deductions             100,000
800 - 808 = Net Revenue            900,000
893 - Cost of Sales               90,000
231 - Price Difference              10,000
Total                               1,000,000
You may get amount from source system in 2-3 diff currencies like controlling area curr, transaction curr...
Sometimes range of accounts correspond to a value. Ex: Accounts 800-900 resemble revenue.
In such a case you may create Text node in hierarchy called revenue and use it in report (if no hierarchy available from the source system) or create selection in the report.,

Cubes - COPA Based Model and Account Based Model.

please search the forums before posting - the COPA models is well documented in help.sap.com and also in the forums
Hi All,
Can some one tell me the difference in Cubes based on COPA Based Model and Cubes on Account Based Model?
thanks
Edited by: Arun Varadarajan on Jan 28, 2009 8:11 PM

please search the forums before posting - the COPA models is well documented in help.sap.com and also in the forums
Hi All,
Can some one tell me the difference in Cubes based on COPA Based Model and Cubes on Account Based Model?
thanks
Edited by: Arun Varadarajan on Jan 28, 2009 8:11 PM

PA - Costing-Based and Account-Based

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