Pairing Source Clip Audio Tracks

If I have already captured media with un-paired audio tracks, is there a way to then link these tracks together as a stereo pair in the Viewer or the Bin (not in the timeline) without re-capturing as paired tracks?
G5 Mac OS X (10.4.2) Dual 2.7
G5 Mac OS X (10.4.2) Dual 2.7

the audio pairing/linking etc is established at the capture stage, in capture settings... i don't think you can do anything to the audio in the viewer, or browser... in the timeline you can use option+L

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Editing source clip audio

Is there a way to edit the audio of a source clip and have those changes reflect in the timeline clips?
In other words, I made the edits and subsequently learned that the audio could actually be cleaned up a bit better than I'd done it. But I'd like to run filters in the source clips instead of having to go into the timeline to clean the audio up cut by cut. Is it possible to clean the source files and have the changes just cascade to the clips on the timeline?

It depends on how you do the work. If the work is done in an outside program (Audition, for example) and saved into the file itself, then yes, when you reopen PP the new audio will be heard for each clip instance.
But there's no way to do that entirely within PP. There's no way to apply an effect to a clip except when it's in a sequence, and those effects do not ripple throughout the project.

Trouble With Clip Audio Tracks

I am importing DVCProHD24P footage from an external drive where each clip has 4 audio tracks, but once its imported only one audio track shows up, both in the tracks column of the browser as well as in the clip's item properties.
I thought something must have gone wrong when I copied the footage from the drive I got it from (originally imported from Pcards), but when I took my drive back and imported the same clips off my drive onto their system all four channels were there!
They have FCP5, I have FCP4HD, but all our audio settings seem to be identical. This is the first time I've worked with HD footage on my system, could that possibly be the problem? I'm sure I'm missing a setting somewhere but I'm stumped! Thanks for any help/troubleshooting ideas...

FCP HD won't support the P2 files you have. You need at least FCP 5, and if it were me I'd totally take advange of the crossgrade Apple has right now. If you only have FCP HD, you can upgrade to the Universal version of the entire studio for 199 bucks... link here: http://www.apple.com/universal/crossgrade/ You'll need Tiger to run it on too.
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Clipping Audio Tracks for Short Movie

Thanks for your help. I have one song I want to use as the soundtrack for my two-minute sports highlight tape. I want to start the song about 15 seconds into the actual song track, as the first part of the song is actually just talking. How do I edit the sound track so that when the movie starts the song will begin at the :15 second mark? Thanks!

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... How do I edit the sound track so that when the movie starts the song will begin at the :15 second mark?
don't drop the track 'anywhere' into your project (=this creates a background-music, project is all greenish), but upon your clip#1 - a green bar appears, representing the audio track. you can simply grab 'n drag the beginning of that bar to shorten it.
don't hesitate to use iM's Help feature, how to handle 'audio'.

Using MONO sources on audio tracks, is anyone else seeing buggy performance

When recording guitar or vocals they are mono tracks so I try to bring them in as mono into L8.
I am noticing a few different problems that happen VERY regularly, and I was wondering if anyone else was seeing these issues. I know that the word 'bug' is frowned at if it is user error, and in this instance, they clearly are behaving as bugs.
1) Sometimes when I create a new mono audio track, it does not come out of both speakers, EVEN THOUGH the output track is showing it going out of both.
2) If I click the little stereo/mono button on the track to switch back and forth, many times it stops playing audio altogether, and doesn't switch between the single meter or the dual meter. It gets stuck on the dual.
3) If I create a mono to stereo plugin, audio many times just comes out one side OR not at all processed, like it is bypassing the effect altogether. iZotope seems to have this problem the most.
I never know which problem I am going to get. The worst is when the audio just stops coming out altogether, but it is very frustrating for using MONO sources.
I have tested and tested and tested this to make sure I was not doing something stupid. Has anyone else experimented with this? Are you seeing this as well?

Yep, just fired up my feature film that I went through and perfected the audio levels a couple weeks ago and now they are all screwed up. The levels are not what they were two weeks ago.
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Some questions/findings - Merged Clips, Markers, Match Frame, Source Clips etc

Hi,
Working on my second long form project with CC (1 hour + timelines) and am encountering some problems with merged clips.
Problem 1 - So I do all my markers in a video clip (which can take hours). I add names and copy the names into the markers notes. I then merge the clips (video with sound) and the markers are there but all the notes have gone. This doesn't always happen but it happens enough for me to have been looking for answers as its completely wasted time.
Problem 2 - More variations of lost markers. In some cases I have put markers on sound clips. Merged with video and the markers are there but all names and comments have gone.
Problem 3 - Merged clips - I am sharing the project with another editor (I am PC based and he is Mac based). I set everything up so he has a mirror of my files and folder structure. I send him new edits (timelines) and some merged clips work fine sometimes the audio goes offline. This can also be reversed. He sends me edits and sometimes the merged clips work fine and sometimes the audio disappears. The real problem comes when you have then lost your markers on the video and audio and end up having no idea where the in points are as the match frame doesn't work on merged clips. It only matches the frame on the merged clip and not the source clip.
Problem 4 - Clips going offline but they are online. I get this quite often, mainly with sound (recorded on a zoom recorder - STE-001.wav etc). Quite often it will say the clip is offline so I click to "locate" and it directs me to the file but it has seemingly not linked it. So CC knows where the clip is... I just have to select it and its linked. Why does it come up as offline/locate when it's in exactly the same place it was and the CC path takes me straight to the clip?
What I need to be able to do with merged clips is;
1 - I need to be able to easily get to the source material for each merged clip. Say for example I put a merged clip in a timeline.. and the audio has seemingly gone offline. If I click the audio I would like to go back to the merged clip and then select if I need to go back to the audio or video for said merged clip and for match frame to be frame accurate on the audio and video. I used to live by this in Avid. Reveal in project is great but again it takes me to the merged clip and not the source clips. Surely there is a way to get back to the source clips Audio/Video?
2 - I need to have a way that marker information will not get lost in merged clips... EVER!!! I really can't pinpoint why it happens or when it happens but it happens, too often. Some clips it seems fine and then all of a sudden the info is gone. Once it's gone there's no way of getting it back. I need to be able to 100% save the marker info. Even if it's as a separate word doc or something. A documentary with maybe 20-+ hours of interviews... all logged nicely via markers and then for me to randomly lose marker info is absolutely not up to scratch. PLEASE SORT IT
Finally.... I am still posting in the PP forum. is there not a dedicated CC forum yet? I couldn't find it.. am I missing something? Makes it real hard in Google if I have to go through PP posts as well.
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This bug is NOT FULLY FIXED. I'm on a tight deadline so i'm not looking very hard online to see if i'm alone - so please forgive me for just posting here...
I'm using CC7.2.1 it's 1/21... very grateful that match frame FINALLY works on merged clips, but, again, this insert/overwrite bug is only PARTIALLY FIXED.
Insert/overwrite with merged clips on 3-point edit now works, but ONLY when cutting in BOTH merged video+audio... if you're just trying to cut in the audio from a merged clip using a 3-point/4-point edit via hotkey, it's a no-go.
I, for example, needed to re-cut in audio under some video with effects on it. So, I unpatched the video source completely and patched source audio tracks 1-4 to the appropriate sequence tracks. Upon hitting insert or overwrite multiple times, nothing responds. The only way to cut anything in from the source (merged clip) was to patch the source video back into the timeline on an unused video track, then cut ALL the tracks from the source in, I then had to delete the video track re-link the now free audio to the original video. Not a big deal, but annoying enough & waste of precious time on tight deadline.
So, yeah, I have a workaround but is still not appropriate to have a core function not work properly. Especially when I'm working with a very complicated timeline.
That said, thanks for keeping on top of our gripes, Mark.

Audio track missing on timeline when I insert clip from source monitor

I have the following problem with PP CS6: my media contains two alternate mono tracks (one with the signal boosted as an insurance) and I have PP set up to treat them as two mono tracks, rather than one stereo track. Everything works fine when I drag media directly to the timeline from the project panel. But when I use the source monitor to select in and out points, and then insert the chosen clip into the timeline, only one of the two audio tracks appears on the timeline. Can anyone please explain how to make sure I get both tracks on the timeline via this route?
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DM

Hi Jim,
Thanks for replying. Unfortunately this doesn't apply to my case. I've set PP's default behaviour to import as dual mono in Edit\Preferences\Audio. This allows me to drag media from the project panel to the timeline and get two sediscrete mono channels. My problem is that when I go the source monitor route, any clip that I insert does not display two audio tracks on the timeline, just one. I have discovered I can switch the source channel from left to right, which to all intents and purposes fixes my problem, but I would like to maintain the option of getting both channels displayed separately on the timeline if possible.
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Restoring stereo audio track link to video track as source/destination

I've read everything I can find relevant in discussions & manuals but can't figure out how to get my two audio tracks (stereo) linked back to video track as destinations, as they once were, with video and audio source/destination tabs joined. In the patch panel (when I started this morning) I noticed that only A1 destination button had an a1 source. There was no a2 Source button to join to A2 Destination.
In my groping around I managed to also make the a1 source button dissapear as well. Link and Stereo Pair are checked in the Modify menu. Linked Selection button is on in Timeline.
What the heck am I doing wrong here and how do I get those Source buttons to reappear? Thanks for whatever advice you guys can give.
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"how do I get those Source buttons to reappear?"
The vn and an source tabs appear and disappear in the timeline depending on the clip in the viewer: if it is only video, there is only v1, if it is only stereo audio you have a1 and a2, if you have a standard clip audio + video you have v1, a1 and a2, and so on. Just depends on the clip in the viewer.
If you had only a1 source, it means that you probably had your clip unlinked, your stereo pair unlinked and you loaded only one of the 2 stereo tracks to the viewer. If you want to edit them back together select the video and 2 audio tracks in the timeline and cmd-L (link video to audio) and opt-L (link stereo pair).
After that when you load the clip in the viewer you'l have again v1, a1 and a2 source buttons ready to use.
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When i try to upload a .mts file from my Sony camera to Premiere Pro CC it refuses to play the audio! Ofcourse i could convert every single clip but it takes tons of time. How can i make Pr play audio track properly?

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Does it not play at all or cannot you get the audio in the timeline?
Did you copy the entire card to the hdd and then imported the file via the Media Browser?
Did you source patch the audio tracks?

Audio track restarts in the middle of a clip

Hi!
I'm having an interesting issue with the audio tracks in my Timeline.
When I start playing a clip the audio is in sync with the video. Then about 5 seconds into playing the clip the audio starts over. The playhead does not go back to the beginning, but the same audio is looped over again--and of course is now out of sync with the video track. The clips are not out of sync in the Timeline.
For example, one clip is an interview: "This duck is un-banded so I'm going to get to put a band on this duck. It's a male mallard. I can tell because it's starting to get it's green head. Although at this time of the year..." (audio cuts off and restarts): "This duck is unbanded so I'm going to get to put a band on this duck. It's a male mallard. I can tell because it's starting to get it's green head. Although at this time of the year they are molting so they don't have the brilliant green head that we're all used to seeing."
The waveform of the audio restarting is represented when I open the clip from the Timeline into the Viewer! However if I go back to the Browser to the original clip and play that, the audio track is fine.
What's going on here? What can I do to fix this besides grabbing the original clips from the Browser and replacing them in the timeline? Or forcing the audio tracks out of sync to match? (eek!)
I must have done something weird...
Message was edited by: Coyotegyrl

One example of an affected clip:
Source is from a Panasonic HD camera--so transferred to FC from a P2 card
Item properties:
817.5 MB
960x720
DVCPRO HD 720p60, Interger (little Endian), Timecode
Hey--could this be caused by the frame rate of the sequence? I just noticed that the sequence these affected clips are in is 60fps, and my video clips are 23.98fps. So--I copied and pasted my clips into a new 23.98 sequence and the issue has gone away. Huh. Oops... Not enough coffee this morning.
Thanks for trying to help out--sorry to have answered my own question (duh).
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Can I open a second Source Monitor for the audio track of a video?

I really dislike having to switch to the audio waveform in the Source Monitor pane when I want to tinker with a clip's audio track. I usually try to stay away from needing to use a panes drop down menu as much as possible. Is there a way to get this in a different window?
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You cant tinker with the audio track in the Source Monitor. Apart from IN and Out Point setting.
Normally one would expand the audio track in the time line...zoom in/out to suit and maybe use the tilde shortcut key to view it all full screen.

Set default audio track for playback in Source monitor

So I'm an editor that is somewhat new to the profession and I am working on a project right now with close to 100 video clips in my project. Most of the clips have their audio recorded to track 2 but when I load the clips into the source window to find the footage asked for in my script there is no audio playback.
They play fine in the program monitor once placed in a timeline, because I have all the audio tracks are turned on until I do my mastering at the end of the project. To get audio playback in the source monitor I have to change the view option to audio waveform which shows a blank screen because there is no audio on track. I then go to the drop-down menu just below the video display and select track 2 at which point the audio waveform shows up and plays back fine. This isn't too arduous a process and isn't a great burden but it slows my workflow down considerably as I have to repeat the process for each new clip I load into the source monitor.
My question then is if there is anywhere in Premiere that I can set which audio track is the default audio playback track for clips loaded in the source monitor. I work on a lot of similar projects like this for the same client and they don't have the most rigorous standards for their shooters. This problem has come up before and will most assuredly arise again in the future so any tips/advice on how to fix this on my end would be much appreciated.
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How to make two mono audio tracks into a stereo pair?

My video clip, brought over into Premiere CS6 from Final Cut Pro 5, has the usual left and right audio tracks, but in Premiere they are not linked into a stereo pair. Thus the volume level has to be adjusted separately in each track.
In Final Cut, I can quickly convert two independent audio tracks into a stero pair by selecting the tracks and then going to the menu Modify > Stereo Pair. I can't figure out how to do this in Premiere.
When two audio tracks are not linked, the volume level has to be adjusted separately in each track, which wastes time. But after two tracks are linked into a Stereo Pair in Final Cut, adjusting either track adjusts them both, together. That's what I want to do now in Premiere.
So, how do I make two separate audio tracks into a linked Stereo Pair in Premiere?
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Hi Tom,
Tom77 wrote:
I need to do in my videos that I either can't do in Premiere or that require involved workarounds like this, things that I can do instantly
I used to think like you do. These aren't workarounds, per se. The issue is that Premiere Pro is a different program, so you have to approach some things slightly differently.
Actually, Premiere Pro's audio capability is more like a DAW than Final Cut was, and more powerful too, so if you know that workflow it makes more sense. A lot of FCP people don't have training in programs like ProTools or Audition, so it's more difficult for folks like yourself (and me, too) to catch on. Once you learn it, though, you begin to see its power.
Tom77 wrote:
things that I can do instantly with the flick of a keyboard command in Final Cut, such as link and unlink audio tracks.
In Premiere Pro CC, you can link and unlink audio and video tracks with a keyboard shortcut for "Linked Selection." You have to create it in your Keyboard Shortcuts dialog box, but it works just like the one in FCP. Make it Shift + L if you like.
Tom77 wrote:
Not to mention the fact that I can have as many projects open in Final Cut as I want, and copy and paste between them. Each open project becomes a tab on the timeline, and I can jump beween projects by just clicking on their tabs. I was shocked when I tried to open two projects in Premiere to find that it only allows one at a time to be open. That seems really primitive--
Again, you can achieve what you want (copying and using items from other projects), you just have to go about it differently. All you do is navigate to the other project files in the Media Browser and import items that you need in this fashion. So, no, you don't have more than one project open at a time, but you got what you wanted, stuff from another projects in your current project. That works for me, anyway.
Again, Premiere Pro is a different program. You can achieve the same goals, but sometimes have to go about it differently. Some things are faster, some slower. Some are easier to learn, some harder. Hopefully, you see my point.
I need video generators to make arrows, circles, squares, etc. and transitions such as edge wipes and clock wipes to animate them, all to point out and emphasize things that I'm demonstrating and explaining in my videos. Premiere has no such generators, nor are there any third-party plug-ins available to add them, that I've been able to find.
Do you know about the Titler? It has a lot of useful shapes. You can also create shapes in After Effects and Photoshop and import them. The shapes you make in those programs can look a lot better than the stock FCP effects.
There are lots of third party effects, some that have generators. Check out Boris Continuum, FX Factory, CoreMelt, Film Impact, and more.
There are pitifully few transitions in Premiere at all (the Mac version) compared to Final Cut.
I'm really not a transitions person, and I find the FCP transitions looking tired anyway. The only one I really need is a white flash and I can either create it, or use a third party flash effect. If you need cool, modern transitions, check out Film Impact or the other third party plug in foundries I mentioned. There is an Edge Wipe transition, called "Wipe." If you need feathering, check out the Wipe Effect, which you can keyframe to look like a transition.
More and more I would like to be moving completely into Premiere, but I keep running into these inadequacies in the program, these roadblocks, for my purposes at least.
The more you work with it, the less you'll be working with FCP. That's what most people are saying anyway. Sure, there are minor annoyances associated with learning a new app, but you also take the good along with it. I suggest you just dive right in. It may take longer at first, but you can get your speed up in time.
I have no doubt that sometime in the future Premiere will become everything that I want it to be, and at that time I can finally abandon Final Cut for good, as I wish I could do right now.
I also came from FCP, taught FCP for nearly a decade, wrote a book about FCP, help start the first FCPUG, worked at Apple on two versions of FC Studio, so I do know what you are going through. Just keep at it and keep posting here. I'll be glad to help you with any workarounds or confusion related to moving over from FCP.
Thanks,
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New user: I can't find the zoom option (to try and sync audio tracks/sources wav to a clap)

Hi guys. I LOVE the rendering speed/quality etc of single videos but I'm running into trouble syncing videos/audio from 3 sources. Basically I have a Nikon D7000 and an Iphone taking two angles of me playing guitar. I want to sync all of them to an audio clap or a click but I can't seem to find the zoom option where I can get right in on the wav files to match the peaks of the clap. I am also having trouble with the video clips I am dragging seem to lock magnetically to other clips or wherever my playback marker is. I want the clips to drag/move freely (and tiny increments) and not lock into any time interval etc.
I also would like to find the mute button for some of the tracks. It seems to be really basic stuff, but I can't seem to locate anything obvious to zoom, drag and get my timeline in sync.
It took me a long time to sync my audio to an iphone angle for this clip:
http://youtu.be/4B9TMQg9KXQ?list=UUd_A29XG4JvzkyGNcuXcuiQ
My D7000 is a MUCH better image, but juggling that, my iphone angle and the audio that gets recorded by my DAW is a struggle. Any tips would be appreciated!

thefyn
Thanks for the reply with details of your Premiere Elements version and computer operating system.
1. Zooming in on clap in wave form of audio - assorted maneuvers
You could always change the audio track size, but that is not going to give you anywhere near the detail that you will get by
alt clicking the audio portion of the Timeline file (to temporarily unlink audio from the video and then double clicking that Timeline
audio file to bring up its waveform in the Preview Window and noting the clap time at playback there.
With the video and audio relink again, as you can hold down the alt key and tap the left or right arrow key, you can move the Timeline linked clip from right to left or left to right
for alignment purposes to the clap time.
When you need only the video portion of the video audio linked file in the Preview Windows, then you omit the alt click on the audio portion.
If needed, you could always set unnumbered markers at the Timeline level or in the Preview Windows.
For Timeline video audio nudges....as you hold down the alt key and tap the right or left arrow key once, you get a one frame nudge per tap.
As you hold down the Shift+Alt and tap the right or left arrow key once, you get a five frames nudge per tap.
On other matters...
2. Please look at right clicking the Timeline and looking a Snap option enabled and disabled.
3. I will think about it some more but I do not see any way to mute the audio for a whole audio track. You can mute the audio for clips on that audio track but not
shut off the audio to that one particular audio track. If you wanted to do audio clip muting for more than 1 clip at a time, I could see
a. copy first file that you muted through Adjust Tab/Adjustments/Volume Panel expanded and
b. then do a Paste Effects and Adjustments for a selection of all of the other audio files on that particular track.
Just some thoughts
ATR

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