PAL CAPTURE NEEDS RENDERING?

Hi, I have been editing in SD NTSC since I purchased FCP and now have my first opportunity to work with PAL footage. I have a miniDV PAL tape that I captured with a Sony DSR-11 switched to PAL. I set the Sequence Preset in FCP to DV PAL 48K and the capture preset the same. When I drop the captured footage onto the timeline, there is a red line indicating the whole thing needs to be rendered? I can scrub but not play. I am sure I am missing something. Thanks.

Did you change your Easy Setup AFTER you launched FCP?
If so...trash SEQUENCE 1...create a new sequence and use that.
Sequence 1 is set for the settings that were in place when you launched FCP.
Shane

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Well, generally if your captured audio isn't exactly 48kHz, you'll have sync/drift issues...but not a need to render.
Your settings look correct.
You might try doing an 'Export as AIFF' from FCP, then bring that audio back in and replace the original. See if that fixes the render issue.
How many tracks of audio are you working with and what are your 'User Preferences' regarding number of RT audio tracks...that could be it as well.
How long are the captures? Extended captures can give you the odd audio rates (48.011). Only solution there is to capture in chunks of say 20 minutes or so.
If you have the hardware, you might try dubbing the old tapes to MiniDV and capturing from those. This takes more time, costs more money, but then you should have solid workable timecode, should you ever need to recapture the media.
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Fortunately, importing iMovie footage was only some kind of quick way to get at least some footage into FCE to experiment with. I only got FCE a few days ago and had no new Footage on tape, so i thought i might as well use already captured video files. I know better now and won't mix up any projects. Although i have some very useful plug-ins for iMovie like the gee three image stabilization. That's something that (as far as i know) FCE can't do. So i do think about using both programs. Not on whole projects, but probably on single clips. Like working on shaky footage in iMovie, then exporting it as a single clip in QuickTime so that FCE can work with it. Could be a little too much hassle, though. I'll see when i try it.
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Captured clips that need rendering ?

Hello,
Anyone have any idea why my clips all need rendering after capture.
Its just DV Pal shot 16:9 - what could the problem be ?
Thanks for any help you can offer.
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... what could the problem be ?
The sequence settings don't match the clips. If they do, you don't need to render.
If you have FCP 6 or 7, create a new sequence (doesn't matter what easy preset you use) and drop one of the captured clips into it. When FCP asks you if you want to change the sequence settings to match the clip, say yes.
If you are working on FCP 5 or earlier, create a new sequence using the DV/PAL 16:9 anamorphic preset. If that is what you really captured, you should not have to render.
x

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I've seen similar questions posted about things needed rendering when it seems they shouldn't...but none of the answers seem to help me and none are exactly the same, so...
Here's my dilemna:
I've been using Final Cut Pro on a G4 Power Mac with a 1.25gig processor and 1 gig of RAM and it's been fine for my purposes. Even though I've been using high def video, newly caputres clips don't need rendering until I start working with them (as they shouldn't).
BUT...I've tried installing the same software on both a MacMini and a PowerBook G4 (each having the same speed processor) and with both alternate computers a newly captured high def clip will appear with a red bar over it, I won't be able to preview anything but a still, and rendering will take about 7 minutes per half minute of video. My question is why?
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Quite right, David (and Jerry). My problem was indeed a matter of the setup not matching the formatting of the clips. I had a hard time understanding that this was the problem because EVERYTHING seemed to work on the PowerMac and NOTHING on the PowerBook (or MacMini which I set up with FinalCut to see if the PowerBook was to blame.)
I guess it was just a matter of being lucky that the PowerMac's setup was correct for what I was doing and unlucky that the PowerBook's was not. Anyone experiences similar confusion may also be helped by a Shane tutorial I found in a separate thread--
http://www.proapptips.com/proapptipsvideotutorials/194F4DC2-ACBB-4DD6-A1D0-F46D7 D8DCAFC/53B46BA3-E23E-4ACD-888F-1E931224596B.html
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Newly captured clips need rendering

Hi,
I'm having a problem with a project, with the clips I'm capturing they need to be rendered before I can view them in the sequence.
This has only started happening today, previously there were no problems, the clips I've already captured play fine, it's only new clips that need rendering for no apparent reason.
What do you think the problem is?
G5 Mac OS X (10.4)

you have a mismatch between your captured clips and the sequence settings.
something has changed in your capture settings since before when it was working
select one of the new clips in the browser (or timeline) and press Cmd-9
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now select one of the older (good) clips in the browser (or timeline) and press Cmd-9
take a look under the Format tab ... what Compressor is that one using? What Frame Rate? note down all these settings
... compare the two lists, somewhere there will be a mismatch
you need to change your capture settings to match the older clips settings
equally, you could select the sequence in the browser (or just select the timeline window) and press Cmd-0...what are the settings here?
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just choose the correct setup from the list and then recapture the new footage

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Aha.
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Message was edited by: Mr. Landers
Message was edited by: Mr. Landers

No, you're absolutely correct to use HQ. Just checking.
The Red footage is has 4:4:4 subsampling, so HQ's the way to go.
If you generally use Recompress All Frames on Export then you probably know that it's pointless to render your timeline before an Export, since your Render files won't be accessed. Unless you need to work in that same sequence with the timecode - but, you could just use your exported master for that.
I know the recompress all frames option is probably overkill for a sequence with only one effect, but I'm also thinking about drive space. With those huge Red files, your render files have to be eating up quite a lot of it.
So, I'm suggesting that you don't need to render this sequence before exporting. Just export the unrendered sequence with Recompress All Frames. That saves you the space the render files would be taking up.

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