PAL to NTSC frame control info needed

I need to convert a 25 fps PAL feature film to NTSC but there doesn't appear to be a frame control setting which will slow the film down by 4%.
What is needed is a 25 @ 23.98 with pulldown setting - is there a reason there isn't a setting for this?
Does anybody know of a workaround?
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MacWorld published an article a while back describing how to use Compressor as a standards converter.
http://www.macworld.com/article/49306/2006/02/marchcreate.html

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As a last resort (in case you are stuck which is a common fate of most users when dealing with this horrible legacy of NTSC frame rates) you have a simple solution that will produce flawless, no hiccups conversion from PAL to NTSC. You will need sufficient space, patience and willingness to accept 4% change in pitch.
a) edit your footage in 25 progressive. Export it as image sequence. Export audio separately.
b) In QTP import image sequence to NTSC frame rate 23.976. Add your audio (SCALED) to your movie.
c) Import your movie to 23.976 FCP sequence.
d) export it NTSC mpg2, which will add standard pulldown to bring it to 29.97.
(all this can presumably be done in FCP, if only one could figure out how!)
(Note to Apple.Please kindly note that 24 is not 23.98 nor it is 23.976, Your documentation is all over the place with no rhyme or reason. 24 can mean (FTC, QT) 24 or 23.976. Strangely 23.98 seems to be always used to denote 23.976. This is not nice nor professional and is awfully confusing)

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As a last resort (in case you are stuck which is a common fate of most users when dealing with this horrible legacy of NTSC frame rates) you have a simple solution that will produce flawless, no hiccups conversion from PAL to NTSC. You will need sufficient space, patience and willingness to accept 4% change in pitch.
a) edit your footage in 25 progressive. Export it as image sequence. Export audio separately.
b) In QTP import image sequence to NTSC frame rate 23.976. Add your audio (SCALED) to your movie.
c) Import your movie to 23.976 FCP sequence.
d) export it NTSC mpg2, which will add standard pulldown to bring it to 29.97.
(all this can presumably be done in FCP, if only one could figure out how!)
(Note to Apple.Please kindly note that 24 is not 23.98 nor it is 23.976, Your documentation is all over the place with no rhyme or reason. 24 can mean (FTC, QT) 24 or 23.976. Strangely 23.98 seems to be always used to denote 23.976. This is not nice nor professional and is awfully confusing)

PAL - NTSC frame rate not changing

I'm using compressor for the first time (version 2.0.1) and I'm trying to do a standards conversion of PAL to NTSC.
I selected advance format conversion DV NTSC. It works fine except the frame rate is left at 25 fps even though the inspector had 29.97 in it before I submitted. I've tried it a few times now but the frame rate isn't changing to NTSC rates.
Any ideas?
Thanks
Mike

How are you determining the ending framerate (what utility or method)?
Also, the QuickTime Player always uses a 30fps counter, thus it can be a little misleading if you go simply by the head position counter.
As for using Compressor 2 to do standards conversion, unless you explicitly turn on the new Frame Controls feature and use the Rate Conversion option you will just get resizing and frame duplication when you convert from 25fps PAL to 29.97 NTSC.
Perhaps, however, you two are using some other technique to determine framerate (I'm just looking at what the QuickTime Player reports and also by counting the actual displayed frames when I single-step the movie -- thus my original question). I've not done a lot of standards conversion, but I just tried to twice-convert a short NTSC video segment and it seemed to work fine when I reconverted from PAL back to the original NTSC. However, since I'm NTSC based I had to create my own PAL after starting from an NTSC original (probably not a completely valid test since Compressor is doing both conversions).
So, another question would be what is the source of your PAL video? I'm sure you did not "synthesize" it as I did, but maybe there is a conflict between your source and Compressor.
In any case, I'm using Compressor 2.0.1 and I just converted an NTSC clip to PAL and back again (PAL to NTSC) and the framerates seemed to work fine (using Compressor's Advanced Format Conversions presets). When I went from NTSC to PAL I ended up with a 25fps movie that had dropped frames from the original. Then, when I went from PAL to NTSC I ended up with a 29.97fps movie that had frame duplicates (unless I explicitly use the Frame Controls -- Rate Conversion option and then with the higher quality options I get newly generated frames using Compressor's so-called optical flow technology).
Also, Mike, your tag line indicates that you are using Mac OS X 10.2.X, but that can't be the case if you are using Compressor 2 since it requires QT7 which is only available on 10.3.9 and 10.4.X.

Question about changing frame rate from PAL to NTSC

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Usually, I would use JES Deinterlacer for changing the 25 fps of PAL into 29.97 NTSC.
Recently I've started shooting with Sony's EX-3, full HD (in PAL mode)
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2. Open compressor and select the appropriate setting for the length of your video. And also add the dolby audio setting. Don't forget the anamorphic settings noted above.
3. I don't remember anything at all about idvd, haven't used it since DVDSP came out. DVDSP allows you a whole host of display parameters and infinite customization for your projects. It'll only take you a couple of hours to figure it out, and those are hours well spent.

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Yes,
you can either use a dirty way:
you drop different formats on your timeline and if a window appears each time you bring a new format saying if you want it to conform it with your current sequence settings you say yes (this may cause frequent renderings).
Or a clean way:
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URGENT!! Converting PAL to NTSC

Hi all
I need a reply on this badly!!
I just [so I thought] converted a PAL Anamorphic FCP Movie to NTSC Anamorphic QT using the Standards Conversion NTSC Anamorphic Preset in Compressor. RESULT: The Aspect Ratio has changed BUT when imported into an NTSC project in FCP Item Properties says its frame rate is 25 fps and not 30 or 29.97 AND when dropped into an NTSC Sequence it requires rendering for the video and audio streams. [Using Compressor 2.01 & FCP 5]
PLEASE PLEASE HELP, EXTREMELY URGENT!!!
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Just had a quick go taking a 4:3 pal clip (no anamorphic to hand) and outputted to Anamorphic NTSC and I got 30.12 fps! It seems something is up with compressor (search here)
If totally pushed for time try JES Deinterlacer its free, otherwise pop for
http://www.nattress.com/standardsConversion.htm
EDIT: It appears you must turn on frame controls (searching here) to get the frame rate corrected. You may want to set everything to the fastest since frame controls can take time to process
A bit more info:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=1107697&#1107697
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You could pay to have a post facility do the conversion, which would give the best quality. OR, do your standards conversion in Compressor or in JES Deinterlacer.
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Ok I have to convert Pal to NTSC and then burn to DVDSP. Is what Im doing correct and giving me the best possible quality?
1, Cut my master piece in fcp and exported it with QT (pal) 15GB
2. Opened compressor 2 and used advanced format conversion DV NTSC
3. Change file format to mpeg2 (in the inspector)
4. 1 pass VBR best (in the inspector) - is this the best/normal setting
5. Thus got a summary saying something like this - please forget the est file size as I used small clip to get same info
Name: DV NTSC
Description: DV/DVCam NTSC with 48kHz stereo audio
File Extension: m2v
Estimated file size: 5.91 MB
Video Encoder
Format: M2V
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Height: 480
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Crop: None
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Frame Controls: Off
Aspect ratio: 4:3
Field dominance: Progressive scan
Average data rate: 5 (Mbps)
1 Pass VBR enabled
Maximum data rate: 7.5 (Mbps)
High quality
Best motion estimation
Closed GOP Size: 15, Structure: IBBP
DVD Studio Pro meta-data enabled
It is saying it will take 4/5 hrs to encode this. Do I then import this asset into DVDSP with NTSC mode on and build and burn my DVD? Ship it to the states and never have to worry about doing this crap again.
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Hey Alex
a little confused here, but from what i can gather:
you have a movie shot @ 25 fps (PAL)
you want to make a NTSC dvd and a PAL DVD, is this correct from the above source and make sure they are progressive?
well ok the PAL one is easy, just take your source video into compressor and in the frame control tab, make sure that your ouput field is progressive.
the NTSC DVD is a little tougher. do you have FCP?
the only difficulty i do see, like you said was the audio pitch/speed.
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• In the Geometry tab, set the Frame Size to 720x480 (you don't say if the file is 16:9 or 4:3)
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Ultimately, the project will end up as 1000 NTSC DVDs and 1000 PAL DVDs.
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G.
One of the advantages of Shooting with a PAL camera is that you don't have too many frame rates to worry about and no pull down is needed.
You can shoot PAL (50 fields per second as opposed to NTSC 60 ) at 25frames ps (or better 50fps, talk to your DoP about this) edit easily with FCP on a PAL timeline and eventually convert to NTSC using [Nattress Standard Converter|http://www.nattress.com/Products/standardsconversion/standardsconvers ion.htm] or Compressor 3.
However, there are a couple of things you can take into account:
1)most DVD players nowadays can play both PAL and NTSC (Not all though)
2)If you are used to a specific workflow stick with it or do some tests before you take any decision.
You could shoot with a PAL camera and edit a few minutes in FCP, do a standard conversion with Compressor then encode and import the asset in DVDSP to burn a DVD to see if you are happy.
Testing is a crucial step of the work and hiring the camera for half a day will cost you much less than a rushed decision.
Best,
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How to convert from PAL to NTSC in compressor

I have a project I converted from mp4 file to Apple Pro Res to edit it in FCP. I exported using Compressor and tried to import the files to DVD Studio Pro. It said it can't put PAL files into an NTSC project. I didn't even realize it was filmed in PAL (yes, I have the rights to use the footage). How do I convert the files from PAL to put it into FCP...in Compressor? If so, how? Thanks for any help!

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My best Guess is - PAL
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Sweden 240V 50Hz - TV - 25 frames per sec = PAL
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Very few NTSC players will output PAL in any form.
Your biggest problem will be standards converting your 50i footage into 29.97.
EDIT.
Here's a great tip for you.
Do not ever shoot at 25 fps in any shape, way or form if you need international release. Use 24p instead - and when the time comes to burn a DVD all you need to do is scale it down & render to DV 24p widescreen from Adobe Media Encoder. All will be fine, and you can use fully progressive images all the way through.
Pros:
24p footage is universal, 25p is not spec compliant, must be interlaced & will only work in PAL regions.
24p will play - in an upscaling player (such as a modern Universal, or a good BluRay player) at the encoded rate (Hollywood have been pulling this trick for years now) and in a non-upscaling player it will automatically pull to 29.97 with no intervention needed from the user.
Cons.
None that immediately come to mind - although of course 24p footage has it's own issues but these are outweighed by not having to standards convert.
Why this is needed.
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