Panasonic SD5 and Sony CX7 - Fluid Motion or Stuttering?
So I am a backcountry skier and I've been looking for a new video camera and have narrowed it down to the Panasonic SD5 or Sony CX7 as these seem to fit my needs (high altitude use, cold environments, light weight, size, reliability and shock resistance) best. The problem is that I have downloaded many sample clips from various sites and many samples exhibit the same problem...motion is "stuttery" versus fluid. Keep in mind that since iMovie won't let me import the files, I must convert to Quicktime using Voltiac.
When you hook up your CX7 or SD5 directly to your HDTV, is the motion smooth, similar to a conventional camcorder? When you import the video from the camcorder to iMovie 08, how are your movies and DVDs turning out? Of course if you have any sample video posted on the web, that would be great to check out.
They shoot 60fields per second which renders fluid motion of conventional TVs, so that won't be a problem. But iMovie 08, unless you are using the high end Mac Pro with powerful graphics card, will discard one field of your 60i footage for real time performance. This will make your footage only the half temporal resolution and fast motion would look will look stuttery. In short, don't use iMove 08 for fast motion footage if you want fluid motion.
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Hoping you can help!
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Alright, I took the plunge and purchased the Panasonic SD5 -- and got the free burner at Circuit City Friday night.
I spent some time yesterday playing around with it. I really like this unit. It replaces a bulky, tape based Sony HD camera I got 18 months earlier.
I took around twenty minutes of video. The playback on a 50" HD TV from the camera direct was impressive. I also had no problem importing and editing the video in iMovie 08.
I burned a DVD disc with the provided burner -- again no issues. I know that the resulting DVD is not able to be played in a standard DVD player -- and that some new Blue Ray players will support this disc output.
Here is my issue -- and maybe it is because I haven't spent much time with it.
The card used only about 1 gig for the 20 minutes of video. AVC format I understand is variation of MPEG 4 -- .264 codec. When iMovie 08 converts it to an event -- the file size explods to a whopping 5.5 gig folder!!!! This is with the reduced video import option (the iMovie recommended "large" size). God only knows how big the files would be with the unreduced size checked instead.
Imovie 08 reads the video from the card just fine -- but the burned DVD with the video on it, it simply cannot recognize. If I copy the video files from the card to my hard drive -- it is likewise unable to use this video. So then what happens when I erase the card? I can't justify saving 15 gig files per hour of video. I shoot 1-2 hours of video each week.
I think the idea of the DVD burner is to use it a storage option. However, If I cannot access the video on the DVD, it is of no use to me.
Help -- or I am afraid I am going to have to return to tape storage. What workflow and storage have other SD5 owners found works best?Hi,
Yes the amount of data of the expanded files is huge. At full res it is approx. 1GB per minute. So you either need a extremely large disk array or you can do the following:
- I have been burning the contents of the SD card to a DVD. I use a 4GB card so copying to a DVD that holds a little over 4GB works nicely. Then when I want to work with the videos I need to import them into iMovie or FCP. I just insert my DVD and then run iMovie (Order does matter). iMovie recognizes the DVD and thinks it is a camera so it will then let me import it just like the camera.
- You can also create a disk image on your harddrive and copy the items from the SD card to that. Then when you want to import them you just mount that image and then run iMovie.
It would be so great if iMovie and FCP worked directly from the AVCHD format without having to convert it to AIC (or Pro Res 422 in FCP). But they do not allow that.
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Getting material into FCE4:
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best regards from Germany. I have had the problem to get the data from my SD5 into my Mac Book Pro for a couple of weeks. Yesterday I saw your hint and everything works. Thanks again.
Now a new challenge is coming up. Everything works as long as I read my data into the Mac from the Card reader. BUT: I also copied the complete content of the SD card onto my hard disk. When I try to get the data into the Mac by log and transfer it does not recognize the .mts files.
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Import 1920x1080 from panasonic sd5
Importing 1440x1080i avchd footage from Panasonic SD5 is fine.
BUT iMovie08 change my 1920x1080i footage's height aspect ratio when it's being imported.
My wife is now looking like a FATTY woman in my iMove08 project 8>
Anyone can help me?I went out and bought the SD5 last night. I have only had a few minutes to do some tests. I took some footage in the full 1920x1080 and some in the 1440x1080. I have not tried connecting the camera to my Mac Book Pro, but did connect the USB card reader that came with the 4GB SDHC card. When I ran iMovie 08 it recognized that card as a camera and went to the import screen. I was able to import my photos. So I guess the short answer is that the SD5 will work with the new iMovie. When it imports the clips they are much larger than the AVCHD versions. It imports them as AIC format.
Now as was mentioned in this thread there is some caveats when importing. For all the full 1920x1080 clips it imported them as 2560x1980 an the 1440x1080 clips were imported as 1920x1080. This was a little annoying, but when I shared using export to Quicktime I made sure I just changed the size to 1920x1080 for the ones that were 2560x1080. The exported movie looked fine again.
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I hope that apple puts out an update that will fix the 2560 problem. I assume they will at some point. It is annoying to have that.
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