Panning law preferences?

I'm doing a film project where the majority of the audio was recorded with two microphones (one lav for each actor). It should've been recorded in dual-mono, but it was recorded in stereo instead, and I'm stuck with that. So each actor's mic is either panned left or right, and I have to pan them to center in the timeline, but because of panning law, this attenuates the signal by up to 6db, which is creating significant problems with the levels. Is there a setting in FCP to adjust and/or disable the attenuation when panning to center?
iMac G5 Mac OS X (10.4.9)

It should've been recorded in dual-mono, but it was recorded in stereo instead, and I'm stuck with that<<</div>
You should be able to recapture as Ch 1 + Ch 2 giving you two independent mono tracks. But barring recapturing, here's another method to get them all panned center:
Select (highlight) one of the clips in the Timeline then hit Option l (lowercase L). That will change it from a 'Stereo Pair' to two audio channels, one panned right and one panned left. While the clip is still selected, go to Modify->Audio->Pan Center (I forget the keyboard shortcut). Next, right click on one of the changed clip and select 'Copy'. Then select all remaining clips you want to change, right-click on one of them and select 'Paste Attributes'->Pan (in the Audio column).
-DH

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I'd like to close the book on this topic, at least for me.
What setting in the Pan Law most closely resembles the panning/mixing/imaging capabilities found on a quality analog console?
Is all this 3db or -3db compensated stuff just something Logic has come up with to handle its self, or is this a universally necessary thing?
I just want what most accurately resembles the real thing. The real thing being proper panning/imaging that I've heard on great records of the past 20 years...
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noah, originally analog mixers had no compensation.
everything was ok as long as the music was played back in stereo.
in mono, however the centre signal would increase by 3db and the sides would decrease by -3db. this is called "centre channel build up".
this is why the mono - stereo switch on mixers is important.
(i constantly check the mix between mono/stereo at mixdown.)
this compatibility is still important today. (am radio, fm radio, clock radios etc.)
the way around this is to artificially increase the sides (+3) and dip the middle (-3) of the mixers panpots.
in the daw world as in the analog one, this is for monitoring only.
it's an illusion. and a useful one.
it only effects wot goes to tape/HDD because the pan law is forcing you to compensate when you mix with it on. really, it just saves time checking the mix in mono.
to prove my point, download the demo of elemental audios excellent XL meter plugs.
one of these clearly shows the difference between mid and side signals.
ergo: more side = wider stereo. more mid = narrower image leading to mono.
note: you cannot naturally increase the side signal as this leads to antiphase components which will virtually make the music have no center at all. great for the occasional sfx. hendrix used antiphase on EL a lot to good effect for eg.
there is a lot of mumbo jumbo and misinfo re: this topic.
it is not voodoo, merely slight of hand.
since the early 70s i have always checked mixes in mono, pan-law or no.
footnote: if you think this is confusing, try collapsing a 5.1 mix back to stereo, then mono.........

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I've just moved to an Intel Mac and am working on a previous G5 song. When I increase the level of any track beyond +3.1 the pan jumps to either hard left or right (at + 3.1 or above) and if I pan hard left or right the sound cuts out entirely. I have no plugs on any of the outputs. Most peculiar. This doesn't happen if pan law is set to anything other than -3 compensated. Any ideas why?

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Hello, everyone. Just as I thought my previous pan law thread absolutely exhausted every possible question that could be asked on Logic's PL, another one popped up, albiet this one seems much more easilly addressed (or so I hope):
When Logic's PL is set, and you bounce a track, will the resulting bounced file when listened to OUTSIDE of Logic (i.e. on its own) be heard WITH the pan law or without the pan law? In other words, if I bounce the track on a -3dB PL, where my center signal is -3dB lower than my left and right signal, will I then hear the bounced track when played outside of Logic with the -3dB lowered middle? or will I hear it with the center signal a little louder now?
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Hi,
So then to hear back how a -3dB PL bounce sounds in Logic, you have to listen to it with the PL readjusted to 0 dB, correct? otherwise Logic will add another PL to the track that was already bounced with the PL on it . . .
This statement is incorrect. If you playback a single Stereo file in Logic, and do nothing to it pan-wise, it will come out sounding exactly the same as the mutlitrack.
You need to really understand why Pan Law even came to be.
Back in the analogue hardware days of yore, there were some engineers that had issues with certain resistive pots which were chosen for panoramic control of a mono sound source on a stereo mixer.
They invented a system, for their particular board, whereby a "panoramic" pot would be fed by TWO versions of the same signal, instead of one signal. This cause the center to be about 3dB LOUDER than the hard left and right, because, when you add the same signal in a mixer twice, generally you get a total gain of 3dB.
So, they did some fancy pantsy calculations and figure out they could add RESISTORS to these two equal signals, and bring down that center by 3dB. The side effect became that when you panned hard left or roght, you were now getting 3dB LESS signal at those panoramic positions.
When DAW's came along, they orignally did not behave like their analogue mixer counterparts. they mostly were set to 0 pan law, meaning the center would be louder. After much complaining by the audio industry some companies changed this, some with options, like eMagic Logic, and some simply changed it period (ProTools).
So now you have the option to have your DAW behave more like an analogue desk, or not. the option is entirely up to you. although, if you want to mix music and have it sound like older, analogue recordings, you should choose -3dB.
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