Panther 10.3.9 to Tiger 10.4.3 Upgrade

I have a 15" aluminum Powerbook G4 that I'm trying to upgrade to Tiger 10.4.3 from Panther 10.3.9. The installation runs thru without issues but when the system reboots all I get is a plain blue screen. I tried repairing the disk and permissions and also erase/install but to no avail. The system starts only if I safe boot. I can reinstall Panther without issues. Has anyone experienced this before?
Thanks

Final Update:
I took the powerbook to my local Apple Store and had them try to load Tiger. To make a long story short, the logic board had to be replaced. This was done at no charge even though the warranty had expired long ago. It seems strange that the logic board is fine for Panther but not for Tiger.
Anyway, my thanks to all that posted suggestions and to Apple for repairing the unit.
Miguel

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Upgrading from Panther 10.3.9 to Tiger 10.4.3

My brother has a 17" 1.8 IMac and wants to upgrade from Panther 10.3.9 to Tiger 10.4.3 so he can use Aperture, Apple's new software. Since I have always helped him in the past with his upadates, I prefer doing clean installs by reformatting the hard drive before doing a major upgrade like the aforementioned. Is this the preferred method or should I attempt to install over Panther without reformatting? I'm rather reluctant to go to 10.4.3 based upon the number of negative experiences reported by people who have done so, but if he wants to use Aperture, according to the system requirements needed to run it, he has to perform this update. What recommendations do any of you have for making a safe migration from 10.3.9 to 10.4.3? In other words, what is the best and safest method of updating?
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Tom,
Don't forget this forum is the hospital ward. Don't let the preponderance of bad reports make you think an update is bad. These are usually cases where people haven't taken the proper precautions while updating which should always be taken.
Mac OS X doesn't technically have a clean install option. For reasons why I say not, see this user tip:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=607614
The best method of upgrading depends on how well the machine is functioning in 10.3.9. If it has sufficient space, sufficient RAM, has not had any kernel panics, the following sequence of steps is recommended:
1. Backup your data.
2. Make sure all your hardware and software has compatible drivers for the operating system you are going to. Verify all the applications you are going to use are updated.
3. Dismount and disconnect all third party peripherals.
4. Upgrade and install to 10.4 with a retail 10.4 installer disk. Do not use a system specific disk on a different machine. Buy the box family or single user pack from an Apple software reseller.
5. Repair permissions with Applications -> Utilities -> Disk Utility
6. Run the 10.4.3 combo update:
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosxupdate1043combo.html
7. repeat step 5.
Do steps 1 and 5 before and after any update as a general practice in anycase. Application installers often have a tendency to want to mess with permissions and sometimes don't put them back causing problems later on.
Now if you are having issues launching specific programs, or programs unexpectedly quitting now, or 4 language screens those need to be isolated before you update.

Panther 10.3.9 to Tiger

I have just upgraded my Tiger to Snow Leopard. Is it possible to upgrade my Panther 10.3.9 to Tiger with my Tiger 10.4.9 disk. and if I can is it legal since it will be the only tiger that I am running.
The Tiger was purchased on the pro book. The Panther is a 12 inch 1.33 PowerPC G4

Discs for specific computer models can't be used in
another model of computer; and beyond that, a disc
set for an Intel-based Mac won't work in a PPC Mac.
So, it's off to find a retail full install disc for the other one.
Good luck & happy computing!

Tiger to Snow Leopard upgrade fails with buffer overflow

I'm not sure where to proceed with the following situation:
I have a 17" MB pro with 1GB memory and 22GB free hard drive space. I booted into the installer from the CD and stepped through the prompts without changing any options to the point where the install starts doing it's magic. Shortly after starting, the install will crash complaining about a buffer overflow during/just after the part where it's finding system files.
I originally tried to do this with only 10GB free, but after the first failure, I did a repair disk using the Disk Utility and removed a bunch of really old files I no longer needed, which brought the available disk space to 22GB, but this did not help anything. At this point, I'm not sure what to do. I use Carbon Copy Cloner as a backup so I can do a full wipe and install, however I would prefer to avoid that as it is a lot of work to get things back.
Any assistance is greatly appreciated!
Error log follows. I cut out a lot of stuff so please let me know if that detail is needed.
Sep 10 10:35:26 localhost OSInstaller[142]: Total install size including padding: 7325778944 b
Sep 10 10:35:28 localhost OSInstaller[142]: Starting installation:
Sep 10 10:35:28 localhost OSInstaller[142]: Calculating expected install size requirements
Sep 10 10:35:28 localhost Unknown[84]: 2009-09-10 10:35:28.624 Mac OS X Installer[142:c607] Looking for system packages
Sep 10 10:35:42 localhost Unknown[84]: 2009-09-10 10:35:42.115 Mac OS X Installer[142:c607] Finding system files...
Sep 10 10:36:01 localhost Unknown[84]: buffer overflow!
Sep 10 10:37:55 localhost LCA[83]: Child exited with status 6
Sep 10 10:37:59 localhost Unknown[162]: Launching the Installer Crash Log Viewer
Sep 10 10:38:32 localhost ReportCrash[159]: Process: Mac OS X Installer [142]
Sep 10 10:38:32 localhost ReportCrash[159]: Path: /System/Installation/CDIS/Mac OS X Installer.app/Contents/MacOS/Mac OS X Installer
Sep 10 10:38:32 localhost ReportCrash[159]: Identifier: Mac OS X Installer
Sep 10 10:38:32 localhost ReportCrash[159]: Version: ??? (???)
Sep 10 10:38:32 localhost ReportCrash[159]: Code Type: X86 (Native)
Sep 10 10:38:32 localhost ReportCrash[159]: Parent Process: LCA [83]
Sep 10 10:38:32 localhost ReportCrash[159]:
Sep 10 10:38:32 localhost ReportCrash[159]: Date/Time: 2009-09-10 10:36:12.446 -0700
Sep 10 10:38:32 localhost ReportCrash[159]: OS Version: Mac OS X 10.6 (10A432)
Sep 10 10:38:32 localhost ReportCrash[159]: Report Version: 6
Sep 10 10:38:32 localhost ReportCrash[159]:
Sep 10 10:38:32 localhost ReportCrash[159]: Exception Type: EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT)
Sep 10 10:38:32 localhost ReportCrash[159]: Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000
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Sep 10 10:38:32 localhost ReportCrash[159]:
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a brody wrote:
Regarding the need to buy the packaged bundle, I keep seeing folks here and elsewhere claiming that is not necessary.
That's because they have not read, or concern themselves with the license agreement. Section 2. "Permitted License Uses and Restrictions", section C says on http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macosx106.pdf
It's been read forwards, backwards, and upside down. Nowhere on the packaging is there any identification of the $29 (or $49 family pack) version as only suitable as a "Leopard upgrade" version. There are vague mentions about it on Apple's online sales page and in press releases. I've read the license terms thoroughly and the only conclusion that could reasonably be conferred is that the $29 version carries a "single user" license simply because it doesn't say "family pack". There are plenty of reports that it installs over Tiger just fine.
Granted I've read numerous reports and I installed my copy over Leopard. However - imagine someone who vaguely heard about it, walked into a store and bought a copy, thoroughly looked over the box and the license terms (within the disc), and installed it in good faith over Tiger. There is ZERO, ZIP, NADA on the package that would lead anyone to believe it is anything but a copy with a "SINGLE USER" license where the terms don't preclude installing over Tiger.
C. Leopard Upgrade Licenses. If you have purchased an Upgrade for Mac OS X Leopard license, then subject to the terms and conditions of this License, you are granted a limited non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded computer as long as that computer has a properly licensed copy of *Mac OS X Leopard already installed on it.*
The emphasis above is mine.
While this may not be enforced by a software key, it is there in the license agreement on the PDF included on the CD, when you purchase the under $100 licenses, which are also called "Upgrade" on the store.
There's an opinion that "Leopard upgrade" only applies to the "Up To Date" versions that require proof of purchase of a recent Mac computer. The reports on those installer discs are that they do in fact check for a valid Leopard installation.
The following has the most in-depth discussion on the subject of whether or not the license allows for Snow Leopard over Tiger that I've seen so far:
http://www.mackb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/mac/26361/the-29-purchase-price-of-Snow-Leop ard
This is the best description I've heard on it, from someone who identifies himself as "David Empson":
http://www.mackb.com/Uwe/Threads/Single.aspx/mac/26361?ArtId=1j5mofd.1pw6lllbtpj dwN%25dempson%40actrix.gen.nz
If someone walks in and buys Snow Leopard, without written notice from
Apple that they are buying an Upgrade version which requires Leopard,
and without discussing that point with the seller, the buyer is under no
obligation to have researched their purchase in advance and know all of
Apple's publicity statements from three months ago.
They are buying it in good faith, and the contract (licence) is valid.

I run Tiger OSX on one MacBook and SnowLeopard on another. Photos were downloaded from Tiger to SnowLeopard, and now iPhoto won't open on the Tiger Mac. Will upgrading iPhoto fix this problem?

I run Tiger OSX on one MacBook and SnowLeopard on another. Photos were downloaded from Tiger to SnowLeopard, and now iPhoto won't open on the Tiger Mac. Will upgrading iPhoto fix this problem?

What matters is the version of iPhoto you have on the different machines. Can you tell us what they are, and what exact error message you get.
Regards
TD

Do I need to upgrade from tiger to leapord before upgrading to snow leopord?

Do I need to upgrade from tiger to leapord before upgrading to snow leopord?

No. You can update directly to Snow Leopard.
How to Install OS X Updates Successfully
A. Repair the Hard Drive and Permissions:
Boot from your current OS X Installer disc. After the installer loads select your language and click on the Continue button. Then select Disk Utility from the Installer menu (Utilities menu for Tiger and later.) After DU loads select your hard drive entry (mfgr.'s ID and drive size) from the the left side list. In the DU status area you will see an entry for the S.M.A.R.T. status of the hard drive. If it does not say "Verified" then the hard drive is failing or failed. (SMART status is not reported on external Firewire or USB drives.) If the drive is "Verified" then select your OS X volume from the list on the left (sub-entry below the drive entry,) click on the First Aid tab, then click on the Repair Disk button. If DU reports any errors that have been fixed, then re-run Repair Disk until no errors are reported. If no errors are reported click on the Repair Permissions button. Wait until the operation completes, then quit DU and return to the installer. Now restart normally.
If DU reports errors it cannot fix, then you will need Disk Warrior (4.0 for Tiger) and/or TechTool Pro (4.5.2 for Tiger) to repair the drive. If you don't have either of them or if neither of them can fix the drive, then you will need to reformat the drive and reinstall OS X.
B. Make a Bootable Backup Using Restore Option of Disk Utility:
Open Disk Utility from the Utilities folder.
Select the destination volume from the left side list.
Click on the Restore tab in the DU main window.
Check the box labeled Erase destination.
Select the destination volume from the left side list and drag it to the Destination entry field.
Select the source volume from the left side list and drag it to the Source entry field.
Double-check you got it right, then click on the Restore button.
Destination means the external backup drive. Source means the internal startup drive.
C. Important: Please read before installing:
If you have a FireWire hard drive connected, disconnect it before installing the update unless you will boot from this drive and install the update on it. Reconnect it and turn it back on after installation is complete and you've restarted.
You may experience unexpected results if you have installed third-party system software modifications, or if you have modified the operating system through other means. (This does not apply to normal application software installation.)
The installation process should not be interrupted. If a power outage or other interruption occurs during installation, use the standalone installer (see below) from Apple Downloads to update. While the installation is in progress do not use the computer.
D. Download and install update(s) if updating:
Use Software Update, or
Download standalone updater(s).
E. To upgrade from an earlier major version:
Purchase the requisite installer package (Snow Leopard for example.)
Boot from the installer DVD.
Choose the install option:
None required for Snow Leopard.
Archive and Install for versions prior to Snow Leopard.

Install Panther on a G4 w/ Tiger to be installed on top of that ?eMac DVDs

FIRST, let me say that I know that I this a long post, thanks for bearing with me. If you would prefer NOT to deal with all of these issues then, please feel free to your option by dealing with only 1, 2 or 3, etc. of the issues.
Hi,
I have several questions that I would like to get some clarification on.
A) To start with has anyone dealt with Fastmanc.com and had any kind of problems in regards to ordering older versions of Mac OSs and/or being sent machine specific Install packages that didn't match what you used, e,g, sent eMac install for use on a G4?
I've ordered a full installation package for Panther and with it comes with an updating CD for the updates through 10.3.9.
1)However, they told me that they were the install DVDs for an eMac. They guaranteed(not in writing) me that I would not have problems doing the install even though I have a G4 DP. I ordered these OS install DVDs after questioning them quite closely about this issue. At present I'm running a G4 DP 500(GigabitEthernet) with 512 MB of RAM, 2. ATI Radeon videocards and I have a completely updated version of 10.2.8(security patches et al). Will the fact that I'm using the install package for an eMac bring any problems my way during the installation and afterwards? If so, what kind and how serious a set of problems are likely to occur? I don't understand why having a more powerful and flexible setup wouldn't be able to handle the install from an eMac?
2) The install DVDs for 10.4 are the update version again for the eMac and a CD with all of the Apple OS updates. The CD contains all of the updates through OS 10.4.11. Should I be aware of any issues during the installation process for Tiger?
3) My HD(actually, I have 3) the original 40 GB is a Hitachi/IBM Deskstar, which is slaved to a new Seagate 120 GB, and an external Maxtor 1 Touch 300 GB HD, the Maxtor is used for auto backup(Retrospect 6.0.195).
a)I have partitioned the Seagate into 4 segments, 1) Seagate 10.2., 2) Seagate 10.3, 3) Seagate 10.4 and 4) Seagate 9.0 (for all of Apple OS 9 legacy software, 3rd party apps, and all of the work that I produced while using OS 9, etc.) The Hitachi/IBM has three partitions and all are almost completely full.
4) Installation locations
4a) Now what I'm wondering is, when I install all of Panther, will I be able to install it in the partition designated S.G. 10.3.? IF not, into what partition is it likely to end up?
4b) Being that 10.4(Tiger) is an upgrade version installation will it automatically attach/install itself into the same partition where Panther installed? Or, can I designate it to install into the partition that I labeled as S.G. 10.4? This is where I would prefer to have it install.
4c) If 10.4 does install into the S.G. 10.4 partition will it function seamlessly being that it is separated from 10.3 which it is supposed to install itself over the top of? (I believe that the correct Tech description for this process.)
5) If there is anything that I haven't thought of, haven't made clear or if you have any caveats or other suggestions, then please feel free to include them.
Thanks for whatever assistance that you may provide.
ole_pirate

Hi,
first thing is to check that you have the updated firmware for you GE installed.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86117
If you have any OS installed run Apple System profiler and check the versiom, it should be 4.2.8
You need an OS 9 installation to be able to run the firmware update in case the firmware is old.
Hans

Fan Ramps to High/Loud in Panther and is fine in Tiger?

Just got my Dual 2ghz, the PCI 4gig max Ram version (currently 2.5 gigs installed), and in Panther 10.3.3 the fan begins ramping up after the OS loads and continues to cycle upwards until it reaches what I can only imagine is it's high setting. I stuck some ribbons on the back of the grill and they are floating in the wind. It's the fan on the bottom of the tower underneath the video card connection. I have a Panther partition and a Tiger partition. Tiger seems fine. Panther is a wind tunnel.
Does anyone, hopefully someone at apple, know how to fix this. I would love to stay in 10.3.3 on the Panther partition cause I'm catering to some moody software. Tiger is up to date. If I have to upgrade I will, but can't we fix this issue without upgrading. Is it the Radeon 9600 (128mb, Dual DVI) video card? I've noticed that none of the ATI updates address that card. The system does have problems coming back from sleep in Panther. That's usually caused by PCI cards but maybe the AGP card isn't happy. I should re-seat the card... I will.. Haven't tested sleep in Tiger yet. Seems to be running fine, and the fact that it's ok in Tiger leads me to believe that there has got to be a software fix for this thing. I know the boys and girls at apple are clever enough to fix this. I mean... come on... they brought us Final Cut and iPods. How hard is it to fix a fan? Please don't tell me I have to lug this thing into a nearby repair shop for re-calibration. Hook a brother up. Eagerly awaiting the miracle cure. Thanks for any input towards the fix.

Hi Paul,
The G5 ran this way under Panther from the start. I need the Panther partition until all my software is Tiger capable. Plus my version of Pro Tools LE doesn't recommend that I go to the most up to date version of Panther. I think they recommend 10.3.6 unless I upgrade the Pro Tools software to the next level, which will cost me. You know how it goes. I was just hoping that the system I had on my G4 could be transfered over to my G5 partition and work as well there as it does on the G4, which it does except for the fan issue. I will try a fresh install of Panther since I cloned the drive originally. I'll let ya know what happens. Thanks.

Can not upgrade from Panther 10.3.9 to Tiger 10.4

I have a PMG4 AGP 1.4 ghz (upgrade from OWC) 2 GB ram and three SCSI hard drives 147/147/40 (upgrades from OWC).
I upgraded to Tiger 10.4 from Panther about six months ago. And the upgrade never worked. After the upgrade for Tiger, the screen would look gray with the Apple logo and the spinning icon, then it would remain gray but the Apple logo will change to a circle with a diagonal line across it and it will stay that way forever.
So I been stuck with Panther ever since. (My iMac-G4 Video Special Edition did take the upgrade very well). I called OWC and they said that their drives were tested for Tiger and didn‘t have any problems. (how about the processor upgrade?)
I also took the computer to Apple store for advise, and one of their techs told me that the hard drive could be the problem.
So last night I decided to try it again but on the other drive (the one I‘m using as a starup disk with panther 10.3.9). Same thing.
By doing the same thing it tells me that the hard drives are the problem.
Please help because I really don‘t know what to do of this.
Thanks,
Oscar

You might try removing third party hard ware. Specifically, the SCSI drives. Get the systme back to original configuration with only keyboard and mouse and give it a go.

Problems upgrading from Panther 10.3.9 to Tiger

I am having problems upgrading my Mac 500mhtz which currently runs Mac OS X 10.3.9 (Panther). It starts the installation process, I choose the language that I want (EnglisH) then the next screebbn says " Alert - Thius software cannot be installed on this computer" . The options I have is Resart or Startup Disk . I don't understand whythis happening becasue I meet the requirements. I have about 6 gigs of space ti stall and from what I read Tiger needs 3 gigs. I have loked through many forums and have not found the answer to my question. Does anybody know the answer to this solution. I have also backed up my User profile and are planning on doing a clean install once when installing Tiger.

Welcome to Apple Discussions!
That error frequently appears if you don't use the retail Tiger installer discs. Mac OS X installer discs are system specific or retail versions. You don't want to install another Mac's installer discs, for reasons my FAQ states here:
http://www.macmaps.com/upgradefaq.html#SYSTEMSPECIFIC
I'd also look that whole FAQ over and see whether or not you really are ready for an upgrade.
In addition, there is no such thing as a "clean install". Here are the various types of installation options available:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=607614
Disclaimer: Reference to links I make to my Macmaps.com website are a for your information only type reference. I do not get any profit from this page, and it is open to the public.

Any way to install Tiger or Panther?Beige G3 Mini Tower with G4 ZIF upgrade

Networked to my DP MDD 1.25GHz G4 (2004) running Tiger 10.4.11, I have my 11-year-old Beige G3 Mini Tower with a G4 ZIF upgrade running Mac OS 9.2.2.
Sonnet, the upgrade manufacturer, says (or said, at some point) that the ZIF G4 CPU can run Panther or Tiger, but the problem is that the Mini Tower has no DVD drive to run the install disks; it has a CD drive only.
Any workarounds?
Obviously this is more out of curiosity than need, as I can run all my OS X software on the MDD G4 under Tiger.
Thanks in advance.
Message was edited by: Ramón G Castañeda

Ramón G Castañeda wrote:
... I'm not sure I could get the SCSI internal HD from the G3 to be recognized...
I don't know what issues you might have with the G3 SCSI drive and OS X, I was under the impression that the G3's floppy drive, serial ports (printer/modem), and SCSI chain would not work since there were no drivers for those G3 hardware items built into OS X.
I found that my external serial port modem continued to work for dial-up and fax, but I don't recall any reports of the floppy drive or SCSI working in OS X. My external SCSI drive never worked, but I'm not sure if the internal SCSI might work. I guess you could try it. My experience with SCSI in the G3 was limited and several years ago, other folks here may have better personal knowledge to share on that.

Moving from Panther 10.3.9 to Tiger

I have put off buying the new software, mainly due to a lack of funds. My concern is my security. I bank online and my bank only recognizes Safari from the latest Tiger version of OSX. What I don't want is to buy the new version only to find out that in two weeks the LATEST software version is out and I got to fork out more bux. Any thoughts?
Machine Model: Power Mac G5
CPU Type: PowerPC G5 (3.0)
Number Of CPUs: 2
CPU Speed: 2.5 GHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB
Memory: 3.5 GB
Bus Speed: 1.25 GHz
Boot ROM Version: 5.1.8f7
G5 Mac OS X (10.3.9)

Hello,
Well, you can be certain that Leopard (10.5) will not be released next week. But, that's as much as anyone can say.
All we know is that Apple will be "previewing" 10.5 at the August 7 show. So, that tells us it won't be out before then.
And, if it's like their previous OS releases, it will likely be a few months after it's preview before the earliest likely public release.
But, Apple is a very secretive company, and they like to surprise us. So, I wouldn't be surprised if they were to announce the release of 10.5 at the supposed "preview" (like they did with the early release of the iMac CoreDuo).
But, all you can do is guess.
Some people say the end of the year, others say next year, and some (like me) figure it could be any time now.
Consider that we are up to version 10.4.7 now. And, unless they break from history, and start releasing 10.4.7.x type updates, then we only have .8 and .9 left for them to go for maintenance releases. And, they have usually released .9 a month or so before the next version.
But, nothing is certain, and all you can do is guess.
Do you take a shot now, or do you wait?
The longer you wait to buy the current version, the less time you'll use it before it's replaced.
But, are you going to be the first one to jump on 10.5, or are you going to want to see if it works smoothly for others first? If you are planning to wait a bit, then 10.4 would serve you well while you wait.
It really comes down to what is most important to you. Do you want to start using Safari 2.x now? Or, can you use another browser for a month to a year until 10.5 is released?
That's the thing, all anyone can say is it won't be available until after it's previewed at the August 7 show.
After that, it's anyone's guess as to whether it will be available the following week or even December of 2007. You just won't know until they release it.
Apple's good at keeping secrets. That's why they are able to get people to buy the same thing over and over again.
Look at how many people buy a new iMac, and then buy another one a month later when the newer model is announced. If they let people know about the new model early, then they'd only sell one computer instead of two.
It's crazy, but some people are stuck on having to get the latest model every time a new one is released. And, if those people knew a new computer was coming out tomorrow, they'd wait for it rather than buying the current model.
Take the new wireless Mighty Mouse as another example. Many people purchased the old one last week, yesterday, whatever. Now, those same people are considering spending another $70 to buy the new Mighty Mouse version.
For Apple, that means they get $140 out of the same person. But, if they announced last week that a new model was coming out today, then they'd have only made $70 from the same person because they would have waited.
So, you can see it's clearly in Apple's favor (and their nature) to keep quiet.
If you decide you want to wait for the next version of OS X, you can consider using alternative browsers such as FireFox, Netscape, Camino, Opera, etc. while you wait.
I hope this helps.

How to upgrade from Panther (10.3.9) to Tiger (10.4.x)

I have a G3-600 with a CDRW drive. I've been able to upgrade it from 10.0.3 to 10.3.9 with a purchased set of 10.3 install cdroms. I'd like to make the jump to 10.4, since I've been told that my machine can handle it. However, the 10.4 upgrade distribution that I can purchase comes on DVD. Can someone recommend a way to do this successfully? Locally, I can purchase a USB external DVD-rom drive and try using it, or possibly try to read the upgrade DVD in and store an image onto an external Hard Drive, then attach the drive to the G3 machine and try to upgrade with it.
Any suggestions welcomed.
-Bob

You could look for a CD version of Tiger although they are probably next to impossible to find. You cannot use a USB drive because your computer cannot boot from a USB drive. You would need a Firewire drive. You could certainly image the DVD but to do so would require a DVD drive. If you have access to another Mac with a DVD drive, then you could install via Target Disk Mode.
Installing Tiger without a DVD drive
How To - Installing Tiger Using FireWire Target Disk Mode

Panther 10.3.9 to Tiger 10.4.7 bought from ebay

I just took delivery of two 'grey' Apple DVD Tiger 10.4.7 disks (disk 1 and disk 2) bought from a London dealer on Ebay to upgrade our emac 1 GHz PowerPC G4, 512 MB SDRAM. In the 'about this mac' under Hardware ATA it says: Pioneer DVD - RW DVR - 106D.
When install disk 1 is inserted it displays the 'install disk' folder containing the black round 'Install Mac OS X and bundled software' icon along with other language and 'read me' PDFs.
Double clicking on the actual installer brings up a a page worth of what looks like DOS codes on top of another more familiar Mac dialogue box in the background which can't be read really. And there it hangs. We have to eject the disk by holding down the mouse whilst restarting the emac.
On the sellers ad it said this version of Tiger was for DVD emac amongst loads of other models.
Don't understand what I have got really. But not a straightforward upgrade and probably not going to work either by the look of it. No instruction paperwork came with the purchase which I did expect it to. Can't get hold of the seller - even though they had hundreds of positive feedbacks.
Any ideas? Many thanks
JFW

Hi Ian
Thanks for your response. That was the very first item I have bought on Ebay and I was jittery about it too. And look what's happened! My worst fears confirmed.
Apparently Tiger upgrade disks are hard to come by - that will explain the very high prices on Ebay for them. These disks didn't cost the earth, but I don't like to get 'done' if you know what I mean. I just want what was advertised (it said emac DVD 2005 suitable amongst other models). I have contacted Ebay resolutions as the seller (a dealer in South East London) can't be got hold of any which way I have tried. They say they give refunds - but that is to be found out! Either way I have lost the recorded postage.
Anyway, thanks again....... Jacqueline

Can't Upgrade from Panther (10.3.9) to Tiger

Hello, this is my first post and need HELP!!
I just purchased PowerMac G5 1.8 Dual Refurbished from Apple Store, and came with 10.3 installed and Tiger Upgrade DVD...
I tried to to upgrade to Tiger, but I can't.... I am getting "Hold Down Power Button" to restart my computer error... and Kernel Panic..... I also tried to boot from C drive, and that didn't work also..... anyone knows answer to these problem... Thanks.....

Thanks....
I contacted AppleCare, and Service Care Rep walked me through many troubleshoots for hours.... by the way, he was very cool..... after testing my G5, there's nothing wrong with the hardware accroding to him..... he thinks I have a bad installer DVD, so he is sending me new copy..... hopefully, that'll take care of my problem.....

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