Panther 10.3.9 to Tiger 10.4.7 bought from ebay

I just took delivery of two 'grey' Apple DVD Tiger 10.4.7 disks (disk 1 and disk 2) bought from a London dealer on Ebay to upgrade our emac 1 GHz PowerPC G4, 512 MB SDRAM. In the 'about this mac' under Hardware ATA it says: Pioneer DVD - RW DVR - 106D.
When install disk 1 is inserted it displays the 'install disk' folder containing the black round 'Install Mac OS X and bundled software' icon along with other language and 'read me' PDFs.
Double clicking on the actual installer brings up a a page worth of what looks like DOS codes on top of another more familiar Mac dialogue box in the background which can't be read really. And there it hangs. We have to eject the disk by holding down the mouse whilst restarting the emac.
On the sellers ad it said this version of Tiger was for DVD emac amongst loads of other models.
Don't understand what I have got really. But not a straightforward upgrade and probably not going to work either by the look of it. No instruction paperwork came with the purchase which I did expect it to. Can't get hold of the seller - even though they had hundreds of positive feedbacks.
Any ideas? Many thanks
JFW

Hi Ian
Thanks for your response. That was the very first item I have bought on Ebay and I was jittery about it too. And look what's happened! My worst fears confirmed.
Apparently Tiger upgrade disks are hard to come by - that will explain the very high prices on Ebay for them. These disks didn't cost the earth, but I don't like to get 'done' if you know what I mean. I just want what was advertised (it said emac DVD 2005 suitable amongst other models). I have contacted Ebay resolutions as the seller (a dealer in South East London) can't be got hold of any which way I have tried. They say they give refunds - but that is to be found out! Either way I have lost the recorded postage.
Anyway, thanks again....... Jacqueline

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