Panther for G3?

My iMac 600 has 40gb, my iBook 500 has 60gb. I use Photoshop 6, Word 98, Wancom Mozilla with OS 9.1. I bought both G3's in 2001, have got five years good use from both. In a way I'm still getting what I want.
But I'm curious if paying £60 or so on eBay or AppleRescue to install Panther would have any advantages within my usage. I'm a writer/ teacher using my Word a lot, occasionally iTunes which I know burns slower than it would on G4 but it's quick enough for me just now. I'm not interested in iChat, iPod etc In time I know the browser options on Os9 will become unusable, but all things pass,even OS X one day.
Is it worth my while to get Panther so as to use Safari, or would that slow up my usage of OS 9 apps (including printer) or would they work just as quick and well on Classic within Panther?
No sneers please from the "OS 9 is Flintstone Country" etc posters that I have seen on other forums. Just a straight answer would be much appreciated: if there would be serious advantaqes to me getting Panther now rather than wait till I have to buy a new computer in a year or so, I'd like to know.
Thanks.
Tom Older
iMac G3 SE Graphite 600 Mac OS 9.1.x iBook G3 500 CD-ROM

"When trying to use he highets 9 version, the pages don't display correct and info can't be saved correctly."
That is a browser problem. Just make sure your son is using the latest browser version for OS 9.x. If his browser is outdated (like IE which is no longer supported), he will run into problems.
The following browsers are currently OS 9.x friendly:
Mozilla v1.3.1(Wamcom)
Netscape Browser Archive
Netscape v7.0.2
MacUpdate-NC v7.0.2
iCab v3
Opera v6.0.3
WannaBe (Text only browser)
Internet Explorer v5.1.7
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I am still having a hard time finding my way around using Tiger. Like you, I miss the *old ways*.
I purchased The Missing Manual & The Dummy Book to help me out. I also took a 8 week Tiger course.
Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge learning curve. If I get through this, mastering Chinese should be a breeze.
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I wouldn't worry about the other poster not answering your post. Just think of it this way; your response/reply may have helped many others who peeked in on the post.
A lot of visitors come here, find answers to their problems without even posting or even acknowledging themselves.
It's only been a week James. Maybe the original poster is busy doing his Easter shopping w/the family.

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PennDOT:
Welcome to Discussions.
I see that you have 10.3.9. You are therefore familiar with the OS. As Kappy said, Apple will continue to support Users, although there will be no more updates. Panther is a fine OS, but obviously Tiger is the newest product, and has its merits. My guess is that there are many of us who will be using Panther for a while.
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First, the iMac requires a firmware (Boot ROM version in System Profiler) update. Mac OS X: Available firmware updates
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86117 The update must be installed (using OS 9) BEFORE you install OS X.
Here's the *OS X 10.3 Panther Requirements*
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106163
When OS X is installed, it will be located in a folder titled System. OS 9 is currently installed in a folder titled System Folder. Both OSs are collocated & will not interfere with each other. You will be able to boot OS 9, boot Panther & run OS 9 applications in classic mode while booted in Panther.
 Cheers, Tom

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Cannot reinstall Panther OS

I am trying to do an erase and install.
I boot the system and put in the OS disk
I back up whatever needs to be.
I start the OS install and a windows comes up asking to restart. I do so and another window comes up asking for permission. I click ok.
The system restarts and goes right back to the desktop. Over and over.
Troubleshooting I have tried so far:
Repaired drive permissions.
Tried someones elses Panther
For the **** of it, tried someone elses Tiger
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Hi Punisher2006!
As per the specs in This Topic, you were running Tiger 10.4.7.
Is there a specific reason that you ae now reinstalling Panther 10.3.x?
Just to verify, you have already done a backup, and you have erased the HD, correct?
After you have the CD/DVD inserted, when you restart, are you holding down on the C key, until the restart is complete?
ali b

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Hi kpdesigns,
The main thing to remember is that your fonts are never part of Suitcase. Everything listed in the active font lists are symbolic links only. If you "remove" fonts from Suitcase, you are only deactivating them. The originals are still wherever they were originally on the hard drive.
It's a bit different if you're using Fusion's option to put activated fonts in the vault. Those are then a copy of the fonts you activated stored in Suitcase's own database. Unless, in a sudden burst of insanity, turned on the option to delete the originals after adding fonts to the vault. When you deactivate them, they remain in the vault so you can go to the Closed Fonts panel and reopen them without having the originals on hand.
There are problems with that workflow though. What if you need to open a modified copy of Helvetica? Will Suitcase allow you to override the font in the vault. Will it even let you add it since they're the same name? To me, the vault isn't very useful and so that option is always off on my Macs. It's also downright dangerous if you're silly enough to let it delete your originals when adding fonts.
Here's the workflow we used to best effect in the prepress shops I've worked at.
1) Keep your open fonts to the bare minimum on your Mac so client fonts you activate are unlikely to already be open from another font with the same name. See my article, Font Management in Mac OS X Tiger and Panther for a list of minimum fonts.
2) Keep client fonts with each job they are for. Create a folder for a job when it comes in. Within that folder, create a folder for the fonts that belong with that job. So if the job folder is called Florida Spa Flyer, name the folder within for the fonts Florida Spa Fonts to make the association easy to remember. Once you have all of the fonts for that job in the Fonts folder, drag and drop it into the Suitcase window. A new font set will be created with the same name as the folder the fonts are in, making is easy to see which fonts belong with which job.
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The link, or one of the links above directs you to my personal web site. While the information is free, it does ask for a contribution. As such, I am required by Apple's rules for these discussions to include the following disclaimer.
I may receive some form of compensation, financial or otherwise, from my recommendation or link.

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1. Are the 10.3 Panther disks available on cd-rom or are they DVD only?
2. If I buy the DVD install disks is there an alternative to buying an external DVD drive (such as installing over a local network from my eMac, or copying the installer to a cd-rom disk?)
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Hi dugwim! And Welcome To Discussions!
1. The Full Retail Version, of the Panther Install CDs, are on CD.
2. Therefore, you don't need a DVD drive.
a Full Retail Version, of the Panther Install CDs, or a Full Retail Version of the Tiger Install DVD, can be purchased rather inexpensively, at some online Apple retailers, Amazon, eBay, AppleRescue, etc.
Be sure not to purchase grey, upgrade or machine specific CDs or DVDs.
Panther is only on CDs, not DVDs.
More info here Tip: Using OS X Install CDs/DVDs On Multiple Macs
Once Panther 10.3.x is installed, you can use the 10.3.9 Combo Update, to upgrade to the final version.
If your Mac meets the System Requirements for Tiger, you could also consider installing that.
And then use the 10.4.7 Combo Update.
You'll find System Requirements in these links:
Panther
Tiger
Additionally,
"Tiger ships on a DVD, but if your Mac doesn’t have a built-in DVD-ROM player, you’ll need CD media. When you buy Mac OS X Tiger, you qualify to purchase Tiger CDs for only $9.95."
Download The order Form Here. Media Exchange Program
Shop Carefully, Examine All Documention, And Good Luck!
ali b
Good Luck!
ali b

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I will also need to choose an operating system for this computer as well as imovie.
Which version of imovie should I be considering for this G3?
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imovie4
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I am not planning on much video work - if any at all actually. I am coming to terms with the fact that this computer is at the end of its life. I was just asking how far I can take this G3 in terms of imovie but mostly in terms of choosing an appropriate OS for this computer - it will most likely be its last OS
If it can't burn DVDs that's fine and I will accept that - I just do not want to spend any more cost. You see, I will be buying an intel mac when they come out soon and then I will be re-designating this G3 as the family computer.
I considered a G4 a few days ago and they all seemed to be fairly expensive - $400 or so or even more. I will reconsider this however now that you mentioned it. Thanks. Basically, I do not want to spend much on upgrading it. Maybe just an OS.
Thanks Thomas.
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Will G4 Dual 450 run Panther?

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I am running 10.3.9 and would like to upgrade if I can.
Thanks.

Ummm...
10.3 = Panther. Panther will work on G3s and G4s with built-in USB and no built-in SCSI (PCI SCSI cards don't count). Your G4/450 should work. Exceptions on G4s are ones released with 10.4 or newer:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25517
10.4 = Tiger. Tiger will work on G3s with built-in Firewire. All G4s have built-in Firewire, so they work with Tiger.
10.5 = Leopard. Leopard is the one with the 867 Mhz G4 requirement.
Are you thinking about getting Panther for your G4 or Leopard?
Cause if it is Leopard, no it won't work on your G4.

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