Panther on a Lombard

I have alOmbard computer, with jaguar. I want to update to Panther. I cannot get the retail install disc 1 to work as a startup disk. I had to replace the CD ROM with a new CD-rw/DVD-ROM, model #lsc-24082k (NO manufacturer noted). It works great for everything, except as a startup device.
I have zapped PRAM, and told the disk to "restart". I have selected the startup disk from System Preferences, and I have held down the "C" key. Is there some way to force this to hapen?
I have googled the model number, and get a lot of info on the device, including firmware updates (Windows exe files). Thanks.

scb,
Is it possible you could put the drive in a Pismo and see if it will boot a CD? This would at least confirm the health of the drive. I suggest this in the event the Lombard, which has a different firmware version than the Pismo, just will not support booting this drive. Also, some third-party optical drives that do not support 'c' booting on the Pismo, can usually still boot using the 'option' key at startup...this brings up the Startup Manager. Unfortunately, the Lombard does not support this feature.
You will again be disappointed...no powerbook supports booting through a FireWire or USB PC card...they just do not have the built-in firmware/hardware to initialize as a startup device.
One of the limitations of the Lombard is only the SCSI port and media bay can be used for booting. The Pismo can also boot to its built-in FireWire and USB (9.x-only) ports.
I cannot find any info as to whether the lsc-24082k can be made bootable on the Lombard. If you are adventurous, you could try the solder-fix even though it is reported as set to master.
Otherwise, you could buy a new but still inexpensive DVD-ROM mechanism for your current DVD sled; it would give you the needed boot device.
http://www.wegenermedia.com/pismodvd.htm
Or, I would again go to this site...
http://forums.xlr8yourmac.com/drivedb/action.lasso?-search
...and just enter 'Combo DVD-CDR' and 'Powerbook G3 Lombard', then search. There are about 19 reports using various drives.

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