Panther on clamshell G3 Ibook?????

Can I run OS X.3.9 on a clamshell firewire Ibook (366 mhz, 320 mb ram) 10 gig hard drive?

I wouldn't try it, myself.
The hard drive is really too small to put anything else on it once you get OS X 10.3 installed.
I'm sure others have done it.
You may want to post in the iBook (colors) Forum to see what those who have tried it recommend.
You have posted in the iBook G3 (Dual USB) Forum.

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Transferring from Tangerine Clamshell to iBook G3 - confused

Try as I might the information re: firewire and non- firewire hardware, crossover cable or ethernet cable, and Migration Assistant has me baffled. Here's what I need to do:
Transfer documents, mail settings, emails and mailboxes, iTunes library, browser settings & bookmarks, etc from a clamshell (no firewire) running 10.3.9 to an iBook G3 (with firewire) running 10.4.6.
I can't make out whether to use Migration Assistant because it's not the first time the iBook is being used (I travel with it but it's going to my son who owns the clamshell). Or whether to use crossover cables? I'm pretty sure a plain ethernet cable wouldn't do, would it?
Can anybody provide me with step-by-step?
I'd be mighty beholden. . .
eMac G4, iBook 600 mgz, 10.4.6, Mac OS X (10.4.6) Tangerine Clam 10.3.9
eMac G4 Mac OS X (10.4.5)

Connect the two machines with any Ethernet cable; the newer iBook G3 can use either Ethernet cable for this purpose, and if either machine can use either kind of cable for that purpose, you can use either cable. Enable File Sharing on the tangerine iBook from the Sharing pane of System Preferences, and then log into it from the newer iBook; you will need to know the tangerine's IP address, which can be found in the Network pane of System Preferences. To connect to a server, use the Finder's Connect to Server command, entering the IP address followed by the username and password of an administrator account on the other machine.
Once you have the whole disk mounted, locate your home folder on the other computer and copy individual files into the home folder on your current machine. If you want to copy the entire home folder, rename your current home folder in the Finder before beginning the copy.
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No firewire video on 466 ibook with panther 10.3.9

HI, I asked this over in the ibook(colors) discussion, but then I got to thinking it's almost for sure an OS problem so hopefully someone here might have dealt with this.
Ok, here's my problem,my ibook 466 SE won't see the video from my Sony camcorder in 10.3.9.
If I boot the iBook to OS9, my it sees the camera fine in iMovie.
In 10.3.9 my iBook shows the camera in system profiler as the correct Sony DCR-TVR480 camcorder.
No video capture program in 10.3.9 will see it.
I know the camcorder works, because my iMac (also 10.3.9) sees it just fine.
Any thoughts? Do Panther and Clamshells not play well together? Some setting I've missed?
When I installed Panther I did not install iMovie at that time (since it does not work on a clamshell), did it not install drivers or something? I have since installed iMovie 3, and it hasn't changed anything.
Machine details: model M6411, OS10.3.9, 576MB ram, 467mHz, 93GB HD, DVD, Boot ROM: 4.1.7f4

I'm sorry. I've inadvertently given you the wrong link. Try resetting the PMU instead of Safe Mode. Safe Mode never hurts (it repairs errors on your hard drive), but I doubt it will help a keyboard problem.
Have you tried using a USB keyboard with it to see if that works?

Clamshell iBook (indigo) can't find base station (Netgear router)

My first post on this forum. Now the proud owner of an indigo Clamshell iBook (OS 9.2.2)
I am using a Netgear router DG834G, a G3 snow iMac (OS10.3.9) as the base station, and a Dell PC is connected wirelessly to that. No problems at all.
I now want to connect an indigo Clamshell G3 iBook to the base station. (in fact, I have two of them)
The iBook is using Airport and running OS 9.2.2, and shows a strong router signal. The iBook TCP/IP has automatically updated all the values using DHCP, and the Router data page shows the iBook as "Connected", as well as its IP number (192.168.0.4) which was automatically assigned by the router. There is no encryption set up yet.
If you run OS 9 you will know this part...the iBook has a pull down window called "Base stations", to add new ones, but the Netgear router is NOT shown in it, and I can't add it. The box is empty, so I guess that's why I can't connect! All I get is an error message saying "check TCP/IP setttings or password". The default base station IP address (which I keep changing to the new one) is 10.0.1.1 (why?) My Netgear router is 192.168.0.1. The previous base station IP address still comes up, and I can't change it permanently. I don't have any password when prompted, (I tried the default one "public" ) so is that the main problem or is it something else? Is there a problem with Airport and non-Apple routers. I haven't seen this problem mentioned.
It seems as if I am 99% ready for internet conection
Thanks for your help. I've spent two days at it.

cranky5
See: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=530153&tstart=0
Rick

USB audio hardware: what works with iBook 366 clam and OSX 2.8?

I just bought a Behringer UAC202 USB audio interface. My iBook will recognize that it is attached and will give me audio 'out' settings, but it will not configure any audio 'in' settings. It works fine on my iBook G4 with OSX 4.11 however.
Is this a Behringer problem? Do I need to use OSX Panther on the old iBook? Is there a problem with the old clamshell's as far as USB audio in?
Anyone know a cheap USB audio hardware that works in this case? I want to dedicate this great old machine to some easy audio useage.... using the Polar RAM looper instrument in Digital Performer..... and nothing else..... I'm not recording audio to my hard drive..... just want to get audio in and out of the iBook to and from Digital Performer.
Thanks!

Driver support in Panther is pretty limited with regards to newer hardware as far as i've experienced. If there isn't any drivers offered, either by the company or via third party, then you may be stuck.
The only way that i get audio in on my Blueberry iBook is with the Apple iMic that i picked up at an Apple Store a few years ago. It works fine under panther, tiger and leopard.
Good Luck
Vince

One upgrade possible for Ibook and Imac?

Hi there,
lots of great info on the site and very helpful just with what I've found.
Could not find anything that tells me what version of OSX I could possibly upgrade to that would help both my machines.
I need to upgrade to 10.5 for blackberry app to work. Not sure if I can find and use a version of 10.5 that will allow me to updgrade both my 10.3.x Ibook G3 AND my Imac (Intel) running 10.4.11. I do realize that Ibook will not be able to run Leopard.
Any thoughts would be welcome.
In addition, I've been using an internet stick (no DSL in the area) as my connection on my Imac but relegated the Ibook to backup duty for wordprocessing since I can't connect the stick to it. I've tried to set up a network that would allow me to have the Ibook share the Imac connection, but to no avail. If anyone has experience with doing this, that would help also.
Thanks,

Hi, and welcome to Apple Discussions.
The combined update for Mac OS X 10.3 (to 10.3.9) for the iBook can be found at this link:
http://www.apple.com/support/panther/
Explanation: Although the iBook G3 (Dual USB) is technically capable of running Mac OS X 10.4, some people (myself included) believe that Mac OS X 10.3.9 is the optimal version of the OS to run on the iBook. My reasoning on the matter is due to the limited logic board RAM on the iBook G3 (Dual USB). Panther (10.3) is able to run on the logic board RAM in most iBooks G3 (Dual USB) (128 MB on the vast majority of them), while Tiger (10.4) requires 256 MB of RAM to run. So if you should ever have a RAM problem while running Tiger, you can't test whether that is the problem by removing the extra RAM module.
If you mean you'd like a single upgrade path for both computers, I'm afraid that's not possible.
Are you running a wireless connection for the internet? Is the iBook equipped with an original AirPort Card? I'm not certain what an "internet stick" is, exactly? With no DSL in your area, are you on dial-up, then?

What OS for G3 ibook

Hi everyone,
I have just aquired a late 2001 G3 ibook M8598LL/A 600 mhz. 20gb Hard drive. 128 mb. RAM
It was very cheap and in excellent condition.
It has 10.1 Puma installed.
If I max the memory to 640 can I get Panther or preferably Tiger installed.
When I clicked about this mac all it says is total memory and which OS is installed. There was no get info to find out anything else. Is this all you get with Puma.
Thanks for any help,
Alan

System requirements for Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger):
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1514?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
For what it's worth, I left my iBook G3 800 MHz in Panther and bought an iBook G4 when I wanted to upgrade to Mac OS X 10.4. I did this mainly to answer questions here, however, so you may want to do the upgrade.

ILife '04 or iLife '05 for tangerine iBook?

I am going to install Panther on my tangerine iBook (300 MHZ G3 processor, 288 MB Ram, 30 gig hard drive), and I was wondering if I would be better of installing iLife '04 or iLife '05 (after I've upgraded to Panther)? I am not too techie with computers, but I've been reading that this old iBook might not be able to handle many of those iLife applications.... How do the system requirements for the two iLife's differ? Will I have to do anything special to install iLife - either version - (besides plugging in an external DVD drive)....?
Any input would be appreciated....
Thanks!

Hi Olivia,
This iBook was intended for use in word, processing, database type functions, preparing documents and still shot presentations, as well as having "in the field" internet capabilities through its internal modem and Airport Card option.
It still fulfills those functions quite well, albeit a little more slowly than later models.
It was never intended for audio or video editing (which is what Garage Band and iMovie do respectively). Moreover, its inability to drive a DVD properly is a serious impediment to these sorts of activities.
For movie making, the OS 9 version of Final Cut Pro or iMovie would probably function, but you wouldn't be able to get stuff on and off the computer easily unless you were hooked in via Firewire to a network that included appropriate other computers.
For these applications to work, you would have to boot up in OS 9 - Classic won't support them.
I don't know what music making software was around for OS 9. Maybe try googling for it.
Cheers!
Karl

Perian for Panther

Anyone knows what's the last version of Perian for Panther? and where could I find it?
I'm re-installing OS X 10.3 Panther on an old iBook G3 500 MHz so I would like to have Perian on it.
Thanks for any info.

None. Every single version of Perian, including the earliest betas, requires Mac OS X 10.4 or newer.
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Clamshell battery not charging

After some years stuffed away in the basement my clamshell 300MHz iBook won't charge the battery any more. I've tried zapping the PRAM and resetting the PMU as described (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1431) but it's stone dead. Browsing for replacement batteries seems to be close to 100$.... do I have any other options?
TIA
/Mans

Hello =)
In my endevors to find a decent working battery (I have a box full of them, that just wont hold a charge) I have come across a few things. None of these tricks have worked for me, but its 100% free to try ~ what can it hurt?
Apple offers a Battery Reset program, but this only works in OS9.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=60655
I have also found a Battery Health Monitor Program, that is great for any laptop. Lets you keep tabs on your battery:
http://sonoragraphics.com/batteryhealth.html
Another trick, place the battery (fully uncharged) in a freezer bag, and put it in the freezer overnight. Allow it to come to room temperature, then install and charge.
I hope you have better luck than I did!
~Merc

NEED Replacement Internal Keyboard! Clamshell 366 MHZ

Can somebody tell me all the information I need to find the correct Keyboard?
I collect vintage computers. This one is a dark blue Fire Wire Clamshell G3 iBook 366 mhz M7721LL/A M6411*
that needs a replacement internal keyboard. PowerBook Medic is out of stock. I have sent an email request to them. There are many keyboards on eBay but I need the Correct one.
* = M6411 is not confirmed. I could not find any "M6411" in the Apple System Profiler nor any where outside on the iBook itself. But I keep getting pictures of the same Clamshell iBook when I type iBook. M6411 in the search results.
The Keyboard Type in Apple System Profiler is "iBook Keyboard with Inverted-T".
and I need to double check ... Is this the Correct part number? 922-4350

Keyboards from all original iBooks (1.Generation) Tangerine, Blueberry, Indigo, Graphite and Keylime are interchangeable. If you collect iBooks, you may want to have one with indigo (dark blue) highlights.
Some years ago, i wrote a list of spare part sellers. If you are not able to find it in USA, i may ship one from Germany to you.

IBook installation problem

Hi folks,
I have a 12" iBook G3 700Mhz and I'd like to install Tiger on it. I have the installation DVD but the iBook only has a CD Rom drive...
Any suggestions as to how I can do this? (I also have an intel iMac). Any way of transferring the DVD onto a CD??
Any help would be helpful,
Nick

You can use the iMac and FireWire Target Disk Mode to install on your iBook.
Check out F.J.'s instructions on how to do it here:
http://www.oreillynet.com/mac/blog/2005/05/thecats_mustachesinstalling.html
I always attach the FireWire cable before starting up.
Make sure the iBook has enough RAM (256 MB minimum) and hard drive space (5 to 6 GB free after installation) to run Tiger. Personally, I decided to leave my iBook G3 800 MHz in Panther and bought an iBook G4 with a 60 GB hard drive in order to upgrade to Tiger.
Good luck!

Ibook G4 stuck in middle of installation.

I purchased a used ibook g4 from someone and it was freezing. I got installation discs online, but none of them seem to install except the first one. For several days now my computer has been stuck at the "please insert disc 2 stage," but the discs I have burned to not work. Is there a way to revert back to where I was at prior to the installation? If so I would love to know how to do this or any advice at all as to how to complete installation. Thanks!!!

There is a possibility the gray install discs you received may not really
be for the iBook G4 computer you have; so the second disc's contents
would not match the first disc's content. Together, they build a machine
specific version. Some first-discs of other iBook G4s will install partially,
but if the set is incorrect for the build model (build date differences) the
issue would not allow the second disc to work.
(Of course, if you received a replacement disc set from Apple Store
Online, per mentioned later in this post; the method suggested in
the earlier post has worked for several persons to get an OS installed.
Sometimes, the correct disc set struggles; where the original set on
a properly prepared hard disk drive works like a nice dream.)
And no error messages outside of the second disc's simple one or an
unstated refusal to work, may occur. So, IF you can identify the computer
by serial number (number may be under the keyboard, if you can't boot
the computer to see what System Profiler reports is the serial number)
then use the Identify by Serial Number web site - there's a few of these:
• Apple Serial Number Info // Decode your Mac's serial number:
http://www.appleserialnumberinfo.com/Desktop/index.php
• info by serial number Klantenservice:
http://www.chipmunk.nl/klantenservice/applemodel.html
With this information, you could call the Apple online store phone
number and ask about getting a replacement correct install restore
system disc set, as shipped with when new: 1-800-MY-APPLE.
{A call into AppleCare (another number) may cost an initial fee, at
some point could be helpful if you have technical questions.}
The serial number, for identifying the computer and also to get the
correct replacement original install-restore disc (with hardware test)
as these two purposes do converge in an attempt to solve this issue.
While this does not actually answer your question (and the give reply
may work; or it may not) the idea is to solve the larger problem if you
happen to have the incorrect disc set from elsewhere and are trying
to make it work in the wrong computer model.
More specifications on most things Apple can be downloaded as an
offline database, free, for use to help resolve upgrade, update and
compatibility questions. Also, to help others configure their hardware:
• Visit MacTracker to download helpful specifications: http://mactracker.ca
• See EveryMac - compare your model in their database: http://everymac.com
The correct replacement disc set would have whatever additional Apps
included with the iBook G4; and they should just install normally. And,
there is another partial reason why an install disc set may not fully install
and that may be due to whatever may be already on the computer's
hard disk drive. If it is nearly too full, the extra installs would not occur.
Confirming the correct discs are in hand, could involve finding the serial
number, running it through the Identify by serial number site(s) and then
calling Apple sales (online store number in store header) to ask if they
can help you identify and/or replace with correct discs, the original install
restore set; and have the serial number handy. They should be able to
tell you if the disc set you have (it has numbers on it, part numbers) is
the right one. Or, if you got taken by the seller of those discs.
The way I see it, nobody has any business selling a computer to someone else
and not including the original install-restore disc set. If the set is missing, then
the computer owner should buy or find/include an exact correct software set;
or give away the computer to some charity where they repair & donate to those
who can't afford computers; these people often know how to find the correct discs.
The install-restore disc set is part of the computer. Like the processor, logic board
and graphics unit. A number are sold without legal proof of licensed OS or installer.
Or the incorrect discs are offered for sale to allegedly help those who find out later
their purchase is somehow lacking in the most basic of tools; a way to test the Mac,
repair the OS, reinstall the OS, and maintain the system. The boot install-restore disc.
An original disc set is very handy even if the computer gets an OS X upgrade, since a
retail disc set will not have the Apple Hardware Test on those discs; and if a system
to show the computer does work is in the computer, the original OS restore set is fine.
The discs, included with the computer, tells everyone there is a license included, too.
+(At one point, a friend was able to use an eMac G4 original 10.3.9 install+
+disc set to put Panther on to an iBook G3 white model, first edition; the+
+eMac software was on a CD set; and it worked amazingly well. However+
+the cross-matching of similar software has almost no chance in later Macs.+
+And the most obvious sign, is when a dialog box appears early on; in an+
+attempt to boot from the installer, to use it, it says the discs won't work.)+
Hope for the best, while considering that other possibility.
Good luck & happy computing!
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Mac mini and lcd tv displays

I currently have a g3 ibook and a g4 imac. I've been debating on what i should buy as an upgrade. I've been torn between virtually all macs including the powerbook, ibooks, imac, and the mac mini. I'm moving in a couple of months to a temporary residence where space will be limited. I just purchased a very nice philips 37 inch lcd display with vga inputs and hdmi inputs. After much thought this is what i think i'm going to do.
Sell the G4 imac or give to my parents. Keep the G3 ibook but install the max ram for it (is 512mb the max for this old cpu) and replace the old airport card with a new airport extreme card. Buy an extreme base station. Get a mac mini w/ wireless mouse and keyboard and run it through the philips. Any thoughts?
If i go this route i keep the ibook for portability and the mac mini gives me a more powerful at home cpu. This would keep costs down and not take up as much space. Anyone have their mini hooked up to their lcd tv?

Hi Martin,
I appreciate your thoughts : I have a G3e key Lime Clamshell 466MHz iBook, I put a 256MB SIMM in to take the iBook up to 384mb and it's now OK for Tiger - I used the Apple Video Out cable to a sony CRT TV via SCART and was able to struggle thru Bridget Jones 2 on DVD , but got a headache! Wife was UNHAPPY. suggestion is avoid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(maybe sell your iBook at a premium on an online auction website?)
I'm pretty sure that Airport Extreme cards - being a different size and shape from the old ones won't allow you to upgrade that way. I did buy an Airport Extreme enabled Mac Mini 1.25GHz 40GB 1GB RAM for driving my Dell 26" LCD TV/Monitor. It is F A N T A S T I C ! The Dell W2600 came with DVI to DVI cable which plugged straight into the Mini's DVI with no adaptors. The Dell was recognised and a profile was loaded by 10.3
Most important point :-
I adjusted the Mac Mini screen output resolution to EXACTLY the Dell W2600 Native Resolution of 1280 x 768 (WXGA) (720p HDTV).
with a mismatched native resolution the modern TV's like your Philips 37" will start to resample and might make artefacts (mine did!)
The Mini's 32MB video RAM will not drive much higher screen resolutions than 720p anyway!
Well, after some playing , and loading of helper programs like VLC and MTR , then you'll find that Mac Mini to big LCD is the best ever quality that you've seen your DVD's played. When you download the Apple QT7 H.264 HDTV 720p trailers, you'll have seen the best ever TV quality imaginable!!!!
for extended use as a desktop PC, the Mac Mini would be better firing into a 17-19" LCD,
the 26-42" displays are so big that you have to stand 6+ feet away from them at least !!
I used a BT dongle (I had it lying around) and the Apple BT keybd and mouse work well, in fact, I can type from the other end of the garden - just I can't see what I'm typing!
I bought my 3rd & last Mac Mini tonight for Euro 399 (£264!!!) as the blowout of the Rev.A 1.25GHz 40GB 256RAM 32 VRAM models. My main Mini really uses its 1GB ramstick when encoding MPG4 via the EyeTV200, but the sub £300 price makes the Mini phenomenal, unbeatable and so versatile!
I'm sure you'd be happy with the Rev.B with the BTO options until Rev.C comes out!
what's the native resolution of your Philips LCD? is it video protected path?

Airport networking problem

I have two iBooks on a wireless network (d-link router). One is a G4 and everything is great. The G3 however is the problem.
The G3 connects to the router fine and connects to the internet, so most of the time it is fine. The problems come when I try to connect the two together, for example to stream music through iTunes, share in iPhoto, or to mount the hard drive, try to print, etc. If I go to the network folder on the G3, the G4 will show up but when I try to connect I get "the server is not operational at this time, check the name and ip address" or something like that.
Now if I go to the network folder on the G4, the G3 will show up and when I try to connect it says "looking up 'computername.local'..." with the spinning beachball of death.
Also I have problems connecting the two computers directly in a computer to computer network. I create a network on the G4, but when I try to connect to it with the G3 I get "error connecting to network" So it doesn't seem to be the router.
I am pretty sure the problem is with the G3 because my girlfriend has another G4 iBook essentially identical to mine and her computer can connect perfectly to the G4.
The most annoying thing is that everything used to work fine and I can't remember changing anything significant on either of the computers.
So does anybody have any ideas. Please. Thank you.
Cheers,
Brandon

My first post on this forum.
I am using a Netgear router DG834G, a G3 snow iMac (OS10.3.9) as the base station, and a Dell PC is connected wirelessly to that. No problems at all.
I now want to connect an indigo Clamshell G3 iBook to the base station.
The iBook is using Airport and running OS 9.2.2, and shows a strong router signal. The iBook TCP/IP has automatically updated all the values using DHCP, and the Router data page shows the iBook as "Connected", as well as its IP number (192.168.0.4). There is no encryption set up yet.
The iBook has a pull down window called "Base stations" but the Netgear router is NOT shown in it. The box is empty, so I guess that's why I can't connect! The default base station IP address (which I keep changing to the correct one) is 10.0.1.1. My router is 192.168.0.1. The previous base station IP address still comes up, and I can't change it permanently. I don't have any password when prompted, (I tried the default one "public" ) so is that the main problem or is it something else? I haven't seen this problem mentioned.
It seems as if I am 99% ready for internet conection
Thanks for your help. I've spent two days at it.
iMac G3 snow 600/256 Mac OS X (10.3.9)

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