Panther to tiger driver update question

If you were using the latest core audio driver for your audio interface on system 10.3.9, did changing over to Tiger require a driver update for your interface? I ask this cuz I own an orphaned Aardvark Q10 and as such will not be able to get further updates. Thanks y'all

SPCreative,
An Upgrade disc, is a disk that was provided by Apple, to consumers that purchased a new model of Mac, shortly before, or after, a new version of OS X Tiger 10.4.x, was released.
The new Mac would have had the older version Panther 10.3.x, pre-installed when manufactured.
The Upgrade disc Tiger 10.4.x, is Model Specific, for that particular Mac, and will only Update the existing system Panther 10.3.x.
It is not a full version of the OS X.
Therefore, the previous version of OS X, must be present.
The Full Retail Version, of the Tiger Install DVD, will install Tiger 10.4.x, regardless if a previous version Panther 10.3.x is present.
The discs must look exactly like the images in the above links, and not say Upgrade, CPU Drop-in DVD, or "This software is part of a hardware bundle purchase - not to be sold seperately." on them.
Additional info in these links.
Using OS X Install CDs/DVDs On Multiple Macs
What's A Computer Specific Mac OS X Release
Software Update, Upgrade: What's The Difference?
This is the correct one Mac OS X 10.4.6 Tiger, (DVD) Retail at FastMac.
And at HardCore Mac.
Notice, both are more expensive, than The Apple Store (U.S.).
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omshanti:
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We need to delete and empty the trash. It seems that for some setups, leaving the files on the system (including the trash) interferes with the new driver installation/operation.
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