Pantone+ Color Bridge Coated vs Pantone+ Solid Coated

In Illustrator CC-2014, why is there a difference in a solid colour for example PMS 123 when one is used from the Pantone+ Color Bridge Coated and the other from the Pantone+ Solid Coated Library.

The reason for the discrepancy is my last results was that while the Working Colour Space was changed from SWOP to SheetFed, it was over looked that the assigned profile remained to that of SWOP. In the screen shots below Working Colour Space and Assigned Profile are set the same. Printed results closely reflect to what I see on screen with the SheetFed Profile producing a better match in my opinion. Cheers

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Pantone Swatch values vs. Pantone+ Color Bridge Coated Book values

I'm working with a set of Pantone colors.
Why don't the Pantone's CMYK/RGB values in Illustrator CC match the values given in the Pantone Plus Color Bridge Book?

J,
I understood from the other threads that the RGB value set was predetermined by the company, and not to be replaced by something from whomever (even Pantone).
Apart from that, when you have the colour of a Pantone ink and need to substitute it by a CMYK and/or RGB value set, it will always be off in some way or another. And if you need to combine multiple substitute colours, they may very well be off in different ways with the conversions provided by Pantone, which means that they be more inferior to the Pantone inks than they need. Something similar may apply to cases with combinations of substituted Pantone ink colours and original CMYK/RGB colours.
So at least in some cases there may be a better choice of CMYK/RGB values than a conversion provided by Pantone.
In other words: who says that you agree, or should agree, with the (latest) conversion(s) provided by Pantone in each and every case?
It may be worth noting that Pantone themselves have changed their mind about the best conversions more than once.

Pantone solid to process conversion using Adobe Illustrator CS5

Hello everyone.
I´m having a little problem converting a solid color to process using the Adobe Swatch Libraries.
I own a Pantone Color Bridge Coated and Uncoated set books and I chose the color 3262 C for a client of mine.
On the book the equivalent process color for this solid one is C 76 M 0 Y 38 K 0.
But, when I select the same solid color on Adobe Illustrator, and I ask to convert to process, the software is giving me different CMYK coordinates. The software is showing the "correct" process color equivalent to 3626 C is C 78 M 0 Y 32 K 0.
Ok, now my questions:
- Which one I should consider as the most accurate solid to process conversion? The book or the Adobe conversion?
- Maybe my Adobe Illustrator is not updated? I downloaded the digital Libraries from Pantone web site and I´m still getting this mismatch.
- Maybe the book is not updated ? I just bought the "Pantone Plus Series" this week - it´s the most update book of Pantone!).
Thanks in advance for your help!

Well, I think I found my answer. And it´s easier than I thought.
I contacted the Pantone suport and they just realize I was talking about other book.
I have the Pantone Color Bridge Books. But not the standard ones. I have the Plus Series (with the green cover). This is the most updated books from Pantone.
The Plus Series has different CMYK equivalents, because in this edition they unified the European and the North American CYMK standards.
And of course, because of that, the Adobe swatches libraries was outdated.
Then I just downloaded the new PANTONE PLUS Digital Libraries for Adobe on Pantone´s web site. Now I can pick the right color, just selecting the Pantone+ in the swatches libraries. Here is the link: http://www.pantone.com/pages/Pantone/Pantone.aspx?pg=20721 (you have to be a registered member to download it).
Now I have the same both CMYK coordinates from the book and from the Adobe conversion.
Thanks to everyone who tried to help!

Cannot find the new pms colors Pantone + solid coated

I have a Pantone + Solid coated book that has 336 new colors in the back. Specifically pms 2028 C. The problem is when I try to find it in the PMS charts in Illi CS6 or PS CS6, those 336 new colors are not in my Pantone + Solid coated charts. I ran the adobe updates and it updated what it needed but I'm still unable to find it. Am I looking in the wrong chart? The name matches that of my PMS book so it just doesn't make sense. I scroll through the Illi chart and also try to use the "find" section. Any help is greatly appriciated. thanks Kyle

PMS 2028 (and the list you describe) are not in the current Pantone lists in Illustrator CC (or earlier AI versions).
But you can make a spot color of your own choosing, and call it whatever you want (such as Pantone 2028). You may need to fake or guess on the actual color (in RGB or CMYK), but if you're separating for an actual (non-digital) printing press, your faked color won't make any difference, as the proper ink formulation for your spot color is what actually goes on the paper when it is printed.
If you're not separating for a traditional printing press, then what is the point of needing a specific Pantone color? Other than being used for ink formulations on a (non-digital) printing press, Pantone is an old, useless model, attempting to extend its relevance beyond the pull-date by forming software alliances with such as Adobe, etc.
For non-traditional printing, rather, develop the colors you want according to your specific output device, be it a photo printer, CMYK digital press, etc. -- If you really "like" PMS 2028, then develop that color (probably in RGB/HSB) for your specific output device.
Lastly, if you are printing to an actual printing press, and also need the 2028 color in your pre-press (digital) proofs, then you will need to develop it for your proofer (your specific non-press output device), probably with the caveat to your client that it is a color "approximation." Then use any spot color (titled, "Pantone 2028") for separations, as the actual ink will provde accurate color.

CS5 Illustrator Pantone+Solid Coated library issue

Hello everyone,
I have a problem with CS5 Pantone+Solid Coated library.
In CS4 this library contained Spot CMYK colors.
In CS5 these colors are Spot LAB and darker.
Does anyone has the same problem?
Thanks

When I pick some PMS Coated color, in Color Panel last simbol is LAB.
In Color Swatches I can change one by one colors to CMYK mode, but they are the same dark.
The root issue is when I open Panton+Solid Coated menu - the colors are presented in LAB mode and they are darker then usial.
In CS4 this library was presented in CMYK mode and colors were right.
In CS5 these right colors are in Panton Solid to Process menu and if I create new artwork I pick colors from here.
But when I open old file (where colors are Pantone Solid Coated from CS4) they pick the colors from CS5 Panton Colid Coated menu and changed to darker colors.

3 Adobe Programs give me inconsistent numbers when covert to CMYK from Pantone Pantone+ Solid Coated?

3 Adobe Programs give me inconsistent numbers when covert to CMYK from Pantone Pantone+ Solid Coated?
I need help on figure out how to have exact number value when I use 3 programs, Adobe InDesign CS6, Illustrator CS 6,
And PhotoShop CS 6, and use PMS Swatch from Pantone+ Solid Coated in each program, and convert Pantone Color to CMYK,
the numbers are different significantly. I attached the example of how I converted PMS 424C to CMYK to illustrate.

In CS6 and later the conversion of Pantone+ Solids to CMYK is color managed (Lab to CMYK), so the document's assigned CMYK profile and the app's Color Settings Conversion Options (Intent and Black Point Compensation) affect the conversion numbers and have to be matched up.
So below the assigned profile is Coated Fogra39 with a Relative Colormetric Intent and BPC turned on (the slight differences are because of the way the 3 programs round):
I think InDesign has a problem with color conversions via the Color panel, so I'm showing the InDesign Sep Preview panel with All Spots to Process checked in Ink Manager on the right. Changing the document's CMYK profile assignment doesn't reliably produce the correct conversion via the Color panel—looks like a bug and I haven't checked CC to see if it's been fixed.
Here is what I get with a conversion via the Color panel. l'm not sure where these numbers are coming from but it's not the right conversion to Fogra39:
The tool bar's Color Picker does make the correct conversion, so I think the problem is limited to the Color panel
The simplest approach is to leave Pantone Solids as spot colors and use Ink Manager to make the conversion when you export or print.

• Want my old "Pantone solid Coated" swatches.

Hello -
Since we made the update of Adobe® CC (coming from old CS5), lot of my colleagues complain
about the LAB pre-visualization of the PMS color (in color palette -> vs. CMYK before).
Is there a way, a place we are could download the old version of the "Pantone solid Coated" (thus not the "Pantone+" one).
NB. We don't really use this last new Pantone colors.
Thank you…
- Dimitri

Hello Monika -
Thanks for your advice…
I did it already, but the problem is that Illustrator (CC) won't let you the option to see the CMYK conversion. It shows the old PMS color with a small LAB icon (no more with a CMYK small icon).
Have a nice day…
- Dimitri

Pantone Plus Color Bridge Swatches don't match

Hi
I have used a Pantone Plus Color Bridge swatch (specifically Pantone 115 CP - yellow) in my inDesign CC 2014 project.
I have an illustrator .eps file, created in Adobe Illustrator CC 2014 placed in the document. I have used the same Pantone Plus Color Bridge swatch in the .eps file.
When printed there is a VERY noticeable difference between the yellow swatch in the inDesign document and the Illustrator placed graphic.
It looks "correct" in the Illustrator placed graphic, i.e. it matches the swatch book but where the swatch has been used in inDesign, it seems to have shifted to an almost green hue.
Could anyone explain why this might have happened?
Thanks

In your bottom capture the 187 swatch is from the the legacy Pantone library where solid color swatches were defined as CMYK. Here I'ved saved the old pre CS6 coated library and 187 is defined as a spot color but with CMYK values:
Starting with CS6 the solid swatches are Lab definitions and if you chose to convert them to process CMYK, the conversion is color managed Lab to CMYK and the results will depend on your document's CMYK profile and not a Pantone set value. If you select the swatch and look at the Color panel you can see the definition is Lab and the type is Spot:
If you don't want a color managed conversion for CMYK simulations use Pantone + Color Bridge, those swatches are defined as CMYK and the Type is Process

Pantone 2563 in Color Bridge Book (UK)

Hi there,
Can anyone help me please, please, please...
I have a logo that I need to show all the conversions for in: Pantone (2563), CMYK, RGB & Hex.
All I need to know is what the Pantone Color Bridge book says but my manager has lost my book (and annoyingly hasn't replace it yet, even though I've waited six months!) so I am having great difficulty in knowing if my conversions are correct.
If someone out there could help me by literally telling me what the book says for Pantone 2563 then I would be most grateful as at the moment I am pulling out my hair!
Thank you.
Jo

Jo,
you want consistent colors as Spot, in CMYK and in RGB.
The color is defined as Pantone Coated spot ink 2563C.
Right ?
1. Define in Photoshop your RGB space, for instance sRGB.
2. Define in Photoshop your CMYK space, for instance ISO Coated.
3. Define as well a Gray TRC, maybe Black Ink ISO Coated
(can be explained later, TRC=tone reproduction curve,
a better substitute for a single dot gain number).
4. Define as well a Spot TRC, maybe Black Ink ISO Coated.
5. Save these settings (any name)as sRGB-ISO-ISO-ISO.csf
6. Synchronize by CS# Bridge.
How to get the numbers:
Photoshop / Color Picker / Color Libraries / Pantone Coated 2563C.
Read the Lab numbers: L=70, a=24, b=-24. These are independent
of RGB and CMYK choices. Absolute references.
Back to Color Picker / Read CMYK values / Read RGB values /
Read hex values for RGB (used in HTML, practically only for sRGB).
Why is this workflow better than taking the numbers from a
printed or digital swatch book ?
Because the CMYK numbers are valid for a SPECIFIED printing
process (your choice), which contains inks, paper and dot gain.
How to check the conversion quality/robustness:
Fill a rectangle by 2563C or simply by the Lab color.
View / Proof colors for ISO Coated / Gamut warning: no problem.
View / Proof colors for sRGB / Gamut warning: no problem.
Result: this spot color can be printed by spot ink, by CMYK
ISO Coated and it can be reproduced nicely on monitors which
are near to sRGB.
If the percentages for Y and K (for the example 2563C) should
be very low , then I would try to replace these values by 0.
For ISO Coated these values are 0.
Hopefully I understood your task correctly.
Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann

'Pantone Black' (color bridge uncoated / plus series) doesn't 'look on screen' as black at all.

I'm working in Adobe Illustrator CC on a mac.
'Pantone Black' (color bridge uncouted / plus series) doesn't 'look on screen' as black at all. A '100%K' black (cmyk) look perfectly black. The Pantone solid black appears nothing like a 'black' at all on screen. Is there a setting that makes the colors 'look' more like the end result?
Also is there a reason, a lot of the colors in the 'Color Bridge Uncoated - Plus Series' doesn't come up in the Adobe Illustrator 'Color Bridge Uncoated' pallette?
Can anybody help me out?

What does the Pantone Black Uncoated Plus Series look like? I mean, on your screen? Is it brownish? Not sure why Pantone Bridge does not show in Illustrator Bridge. The entire color communications system(s) seemed to be a bit messed up. There seems to be a drift on screen when looking at Pantone anything these days.

CMYK Pantone breakdowns different Pantone Color Bridge

I was wanting to know why the color breakdown that Indesign gives for a Spot Pantone color is different to the one specified in a Pantone Color Bridge book. Also the color on screen that Pantone Color Bridge breakdowns show seems more accurate than the ones specified by Indesign.
Any ideas on this or articles that can explain this?
Thanks

Jono10 wrote:
One last thing. If I use the 'Standard Lab values for spots' in Ink manager which gives me a better on screen reproduction of a color then I should do the same in Illustrator under 'Spot colour Options' in the swatches palette.
Lab might give you a better on screen preview of Pantone Solid inks (spot color, not CMYK), especially if the color is out of the CMYK gamut.
Lab doesn't necessarily give you a better preview of how the color would convert to process CMYK. If you want a preview of how a Lab color would convert to CMYK, you could check both Use Standard Lab... and All Spots To Process in Ink Manager.

CS5.5 Can't see Pantone Color Bridge libraries!

Hello there!
I am using Creative Suite CS5.5 Trial version for now on Windows 7 platform. For some reason I don't see Pantone Color Bridge libraries, only the old ones, but none of the Plus Series. I was able to see these colors on version 5, but not here. Can't see them on Photoshop, Illustrator or InDesign. I wonder if CS5.5 supports these colors. I even downloaded a plugin from Pantone and Pantone Color Manager, but with no luck. I contacted Pantone, but still waiting for a response. Any help would be much appreciated, thanks!
Aldo

Please post in the InDesign forum. This forum is for suite specific issues only.
Bob

Pantone Color Bridge vs Photoshop

Hello,
I'm curious why my Pantone Color Bridge is giving me different information than Photoshop CS4 for PMS 549. I am in the process of creating a style guide for a client of mine, and he requested the spot, process, RGB and HTML color codes.
Pantone Color Bridge says:
PMS 549C
RGB 94/156/174
CMYK 59/8/9/19
HTML 5E9CAE
Photoshop says:
PMS 549C
RGB 94/156/174
CMYK 65/26/26/1
HTML 5e9cae
The 65/26/26/1 looks a lot closer on the screen (I know, I know...) Does anyone know why the anomaly?

A quick bit of testing shows that your Photoshop setting for CMYK is USWebCoatedSWOPv2 - a pretty good middle-of-the-road profile.
The build from Color Bridge is using a very heavy black generation - probably a lowest-common-denominator approach Pantone uses to give the most consistent color in the face of inevitable press drift in most assuredly unknown press conditions. A crapshoot.
The actual color that comes off a press from a given CMYK build is very dependent upon paper and press conditions.
Tread lightly here when recommending a CMYK build to your client. Include a BIG caveat.

Pantone Color Bridge - digital values vs book values?

Hello,
I've had to update our Pantone libraries for the CS3 suite to Color Bridge (for working with a 3rd party). I've downloaded Pantone's library update so I can access Color Bridge via the libraries in Illustrator and InDesign. When I convert from PMS to CMYK, the digital values match that of the book values, but when I do the same for RGB (sRGB) and web, the digital values DON'T match that of those in the book.
Does anyone know why the RGB and web values differ digital to book?
Thanks,
Kristin.

J,
I understood from the other threads that the RGB value set was predetermined by the company, and not to be replaced by something from whomever (even Pantone).
Apart from that, when you have the colour of a Pantone ink and need to substitute it by a CMYK and/or RGB value set, it will always be off in some way or another. And if you need to combine multiple substitute colours, they may very well be off in different ways with the conversions provided by Pantone, which means that they be more inferior to the Pantone inks than they need. Something similar may apply to cases with combinations of substituted Pantone ink colours and original CMYK/RGB colours.
So at least in some cases there may be a better choice of CMYK/RGB values than a conversion provided by Pantone.
In other words: who says that you agree, or should agree, with the (latest) conversion(s) provided by Pantone in each and every case?
It may be worth noting that Pantone themselves have changed their mind about the best conversions more than once.

Pantone conversions to cmyk don't match pantone color bridge

We are having issues at our plant with adobe not converting colors properly. Program using to send to our rip for a di press is Indesign cs6, tried cs5.5 and get the same values.
Example pantone color is 293. We have the latest pantone + bridge and the color break down is 100c 69m 0y 4k but if you let adobe made all spots to process we get a value of 100c 80m 12y 3k.
Any idea what is causing the incorrect values or what I can update to use the correct values?
Thanks.

HI,
In order to get the best CMYK values from InDesign, set your CMYK working space (color settings or Assign ICC to your document) to your DI Press ICC profile.
This way, InDesign will convert from Pantone’s Lab valur to the presse ICC profile’s CMYK values.
CMYK numbers from Color Bridge + are made for european TVI (ISO standard), which is lower that North American standards.
Hope this help!

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