Pantone Library Information
Hi All,
We are using Illustrator's default pantone library and like to know the library version comes with Illustrator CS5.I have searched in the web and could not get the exact details.
Regards,
Selvakumar
I clicked on your link and saw "Get the Colors" I clicked on that and got this: http://www.pantone.com/pages/Pantone/Pantone.aspx?pg=20721&ca=1
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Now it seems as though Adobe give you an older base set of Pantone colors and relies on you to invest in Pantone products to get the Pantone Color Manager software to update your libraries. I work within an advertising agency and we use many of the Pantone swatch books. Constant changes by Pantone makes it difficult for us (hundreds of users) to update our libraries. I’m currently working on these updated changes and have some questions regarding the process.
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How can I share PANTONE Color Manager libraries with others?
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Launch PANTONE Color Manager software
Open the desired library you wish to share
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.aco – Adobe Color Order – for Photoshop swatch list
.acb – Adobe Color Book – for use with Adobe Color Picker within Photoshop
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Adobe Illustrator
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this is by no means the first time I'm banged my head against the colour management brick wall, and I doubt it will be the last
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Both these Adobe products ship bundled with Pantone libraries. (Correct me with I'm wrong, but these "libraries" are basically a bunch of look-up tables, mapping named Pantone colours to various CYMK, RGB, etc equivalents?)
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In Illustrator CC (left screenshot), it offers this as C0% M87.4% Y79.9% K0%
in FrameMaker 12 (right screenshot), I get C0% M79% Y91% K0%
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