Pantone PLUS color definitions

One of the frustrating things with working with spot colors in the past has been that the CMYK equivalents that Adobe products used, didn't match the equivalents that Pantone provided in their books. I've seen hints that with Pantone Plus, that may no longer be a problem. Does anyone know for sure whether the Pantone Plus color definitions will be consistent from CS products across the Pantone books?
Thanks!

Adobe default CMYK value for a spot color is the Solid to Process value. To see this:
1. Add Pantone 293 Solid Coated to Swatches. You will see the CMYK icon. Wave the cursor over this icon: C=100, M=57, Y=0, K=2.
2. Add Pantone 293 Solid to Process. Wave your cursor over the CMYK icon: C=100, M=57, Y=0, K=2.
Adobe maintains this behavior to match legacy files. If they changed behavior now, then future outputs would change, and consequently new printings could look different from previous printings. This problem was encountered by Quark users with the change to version 7, when the Quark default switched from Solid to Process to Color Bridge Coated.
To download Pantone Plus libraries:
http://www.pantone.com/pages/Pantone/Pantone.aspx?pg=20721&ca=1
In previous post PDF mentioned Lab values, and that is the better way to convert Pantone colors to CMYK. But to do this you need to open the Ink Manager through the Swatches panel (in InDesign). Enable "Use Standard Lab Values for Spots". (note: Illustrator has a similar option, although it does not have an Ink Manager like InDesign). Notice that the CMYK icon changes to a Lab icon in the Swatches panel.
The conversion from Lab to CMYK is affected by the rendering intent and the Document CMYK color space. To see these, go to Edit: Assign Profiles.
If you have a spot color in InDesign, it is much better to make it process using the Ink Manager, instead of changing the color mode of the Swatch. If you need to convert one ink but not another, click on the spot icon in the Ink Manager to convert just one.
Regarding Pantone Plus: the Lab values of the spot colors have changed from the older Pantone libraries, along with the book CMYK values.
Edit: To see all the active inks in InDesign or Illustrator, use Separation Preview.

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I actually just came across the same thing in the meantime.
And it worked!
If you bought the physical Pantone books, there is a registration/serial number on the back. You can go to Pantone and register it (https://www.pantone.com/pages/MYP_myPantone/mypProductRegistration.aspx)
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Is it possible to manually remove the Pantone Plus .acb files from the Color Books folder and replace them w/the Pantone Palette Back up files so I can open an old file and save for someone who doesnt have the Plus loaded w/o damaging my CS5 Illustrator program?

Try this: Applications > Adobe Illustrator > Presets > Swatch Libraries; delete the existing Pantone+ variants and then look for the old version: Applications > Pantone Palette Backup; move them back to the Illustrator Presets > Swatch Libraries folder. I just read the info in the back of "PlusLibrariesWhitePaper1_11.pdf" Illustrator is the only application that will not have a data point of two different swatch libraries because of the confusion it generates. I hope this helps, let me know if it works and you can replace the replacements. There is no uninstaller because I think it is just a matter of deleting the .acb files manually.

Spot color definitions choices

How can I make my spot color definitions choice persistent? I read a kb item that said how to swap out the new Pantone Plus color books for the old ones, to maintain color parity with older versions. One of the steps has me going to "Spot colors" on the swatches pallette and selecting "Use CMYK Values..." instead of "Use LAB Values...". I don't want to have to do this with every file. Is there a way to make this choice persistent?

When you create new documents Illustrator opens unsaved instances of regular Illustrator documents that are selected by using the New Document Profile Menu in the New Dialog window. The profiles that you see in this menu are like any other .AI files in a folder that will show when you choose Browse... from this menu.
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We are having problems maintaining color consistency for digital output (as well as color shifts on proofs) due to the recent CS6 Pantone Plus color library update.
We have had to remove the updated libraries and replace them with the previous versions due to the unexpected color differences on output.
Has anyone else been having problems with the Plus update?
Is there a good explanation of why it was changed in the first place? We want to make sure we're not missing a good reason for the revised color libraries.
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Hi Guys,
I've read through this whole forum and I have found a solution to everyones problem. It is a work around but will save everyone alot of time and hassle and so far it hasn't let me down.
First step: Following the instructions as per the adobe page http://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/kb/pantone-plus.htm for replacing the colour books. Make sure you follow all of the instructions for defaulting the setting in Illustrator CS6 to use only CMYK breakdowns (this is very very important) This will fix your problem in Illustrator however you will still notice that importing any artwork into indesign, the Pantone colours will still load as LAB versions (despite having deleted the Pantone+ swatches from your library)
NOTE: you will find that if you load old artwork files it WILL load your desired CMYK versions of any pantones correctly. However when you add new swatches it loads these as lab breakdowns. WHICH IS WHAT WE ALL WANT TO GO AWAY TO PROVIDE CONSISTENCY WITH PREVIOUS CLIENTS.
IMPORTANT INFO: Once a correct CMYK verions of a pantone has be imported into an Indesign document you CANNOT load the same pantone reference colour AGAIN. Meanding it is impossible to have a Pantone 282 C (CMYK) and Pantone 282 C (lab)... only one colour profile can be in a document. So basically if you pre-load all of the pantones as CMYK, Indesign is prohibited from STUPIDLY loading lab values of Pantones swatches:
SO.....
Step Two: (ensuring you have defaulted Illustrator in step1 correctly as per instructions from Adobe)... open Illutrator CS6. Create a new document. Click your swatches tab and clear it of all swatches so it is empty. Click OPEN SWATCH LIBRARY. click COLOUR BOOKS. Navigate to the swatch Library you require, (for me a mainly use PANTONE solid coated) NOT PANTONE+ ) however since you have followed the steps in step 1 these will not appear in your list as you have deleted all of the pantone + library. ( you can repeat this for as many colour books as required. When the swatched table opens, click the first swatch colour, hold shift key and the click the very last swatch colour and drag these into your swatch panel. Your will now have the complete colour book all defined as Pantone/spot colour/ with a correct(traditional) CMYK value. Now go to "save swatch library as ASE..."within the swatch dropdown menu. And save this somewhere permanent.
Step Three: Open Indesign CS6. Do not open a document. Go to your swatches tab. Click 'LOAD SWATCHES' and open your saved ASE file you made in Illustraor CS6. This will now load the full PANTONE colour library into your swatches tab. Remember as we said before that Indesign will NOT allow you to open two versions of the same pnatone reference, so no matter what file you open, as long as it has a pantone reference, lab or cmyk versions, because they are now already loaded into the swatch library, Indesign will force the conversion to ONLY BE CMYK values of your required Pantone references and IT WILL NOT default to lab values for Pantone colours.
If required. When you have finished your artwork, select, "select all unused" and then delete the ones you don't need.
WARNING: if you delete anything you have imported into your swatch library from your created ASE file... i.e. Pantone 282C.... when you manually add it back again inside Indesign it will default back to the undesired LAB breakdown of the Pantone.
Hopefully this cures a few headaches, so you can all get back to work and enjoy what are some great benefits of using CS6 versions.
On my final note, I do understand why Adobe is trying to force this change. It IS an improvement. However it does require that everyone in your company follows suit, it also requires that you explain this to each of your clients and it does mean changing colours and work flows, which is a decision of individual companies NOT the decision of Adobe to make it for you, which I think is a bad move on there part to try and FORCE this change.

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Has anyone had any problems seeing Pantone Plus Series colors on Creative Suite 5.5? I don't see those colors when I open the color libraries, I'm talking about the + Series. Any help will be appreciated, urgent as I use these colors everyday!!! thanks!!!

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If you save a document as a MIF, you can see the encodings using a plaintext editor.
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<Color
<ColorTag `PANTONE 3308 CVC'>
<ColorCyan 99.998474>
<ColorMagenta 0.000000>
<ColorYellow 59.999084>
<ColorBlack 71.998596>
<ColorLibraryFamilyName `PANTONE\xa8 Coated'>
<ColorLibraryInkName `PANTONE 3308 CVC'>
> # end of Color
Now suppose we create what we think is the same CMYK color:
<Color
<ColorTag `CMYK-100-0-60-72'>
<ColorCyan 100.000000>
<ColorMagenta 0.000000>
<ColorYellow 60.000000>
<ColorBlack 72.000000>
> # end of Color
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No name. The print shop (or Pantone-aware print engine) has only the who-knows-what CMYK values to work with.
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Make sure the named Pantone color is in the Color Catalog.
Find, in the <ColorCatalog, each custom color that needs to be redefined.
Delete it, from and including <Color to and including > # end of Color.
Batch replace all other occurances of that custom color with the Pantone.
Using the examples above, change all
<FColor `CMYK-100-0-60-72'>
to
<FColor `PANTONE 3308 CVC'>
Repeat the above for each custom color.
Save the MIF and re-open in Frame.
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Thanks but that is not the problem. I figured it out. You have to download Pantone Color Manager Software and use the serial number from your registered Pantone Plus book to register the software. Once you do that then you can download the extra 360 colors and then export them to the Adobe programs...
Pain in the *** but it's the only way to get the extra colors in the Pantone plus book to your adobe Pantone Plus Library.The new Library is called Pantone+ V2.
Thank you for the response though!
-Ant
From: Jacob Bugge <[email protected]>
To: Anthony R <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 2:34 AM
Subject: I am missing colors in my Adobe Pantone Plus Library that are in my physical Pantone Plus Swatch Book.
I am missing colors in my Adobe Pantone Plus Library that are in my physical Pantone Plus Swatch Book.
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In your bottom capture the 187 swatch is from the the legacy Pantone library where solid color swatches were defined as CMYK. Here I'ved saved the old pre CS6 coated library and 187 is defined as a spot color but with CMYK values:
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http://www.pantone.com/pages/Pantone/Pantone.aspx?pg=20721&ca=1
the utility to install it is near the bottom of the page.

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Finally able to get back to this project.
Thanks for this snippet which does work great for removing a single "known" color. What I actually need to do is remove all colors except a specified list.
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