Pantone Plus colours in PSD causing non-readable files in Illustrator

Hi
We have recently installed the new Pantone Plus colour series, but we now get the message "File not readable" on files that contain psd links which contain spot channels. I have seen this same problem on other forums but the explanation is to change the Spot channel colour to the Plus Series colour book in photoshop so it matches the new colour book in Illustrator. But when we do this we still get the "File not readable" message because the Illustrator file retains the old spot from the old Photoshop Pantone colour library until the newly saved link is placed in, the problem being you can't open the file to place the new link in!!!! This is crazy!!
To get around this we have had to re-install the old colour books to open up old files, but if we then have to work on a job with a Plus colour we have to re-load the Plus series. This isn't fun.
This has a massive impact on all our archived work which we regulary use to do updates. Will Abobe be bringing out a fix for this anytime soon? This is a major issue for our studio, it is already causing us wasted time.
Thanks
Mike

Surely Adobe can come up with a fix for this though?
Problem is we've been using them for a month or so, so if we revert back to the old libraries all the files we've been working on for the last month we will now have issues opening. So do we keep on using in the hope that Adobe will come out with a fix, or do we remove and deal with the mess that that's going to cause.

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