PANTONE wrong in illustator
Today I found a very serious problem in Illistrator CS5. The color book of PANTONE is absolutely wrong! I have one PANTONE solid coated book on my hand.
AI is very different from PS and PANTONE book. PS is the same as PANTONE book.
1. AI CS4 has the same problem as CS5. Maybe it is always existing?
2. Indesign CS4 has this problem too.
3. In AI, I load the pantone solid coated from the installation directory of PS. Unfortunately the color becomes wrong. So I think the color books preseted have no problem and the problem should comes from the AI application.
So guys, please try in your illustrator and let me know the pantone is wrong or correct. Thanks.
BTW, I live in China and use the Chinese version of illustrator, photoshop and indesign.
Monika Gause wrote:
You chould also read this: http://rwillustrator.blogspot.com/2007/02/busting-myth-achieving-consi stent-color.html
IMHO the most important thing regarding this, that the article on that page doesn't say is that the CMYK conversion values for spot colors are valid only for U.S Web Coated (SWOP)v2 color space. If printing to anything else, like different country standards, or seetfed press, or non offset printers like digital printing, large format print shops, and all desktop printers, these conversion values are completely wrong. Also any tints of a Pantone color will be translated much more accurately from LAB than using the CMYK book value conversions even when used for U.S Web Coated (SWOP)v2 color space because Pantone can't provide (doesn't have) a conversion numbers for every possible tint.
Here's a simple test for anyone who wants to check this:
Create 2 or more CMYK documents, one with US Web Coated (SWOP)v2 (defult) color space and others with different color spaces like U.S. Web Uncoated v2, US Newsprint (SNAP 2007), etc. also try the color profiles of the printers from your service provider/s (to change color space, use Edit > Assign Profile)
Next, paste two boxes with the same Pantone color, for example Pantone Red 032 C in each document and convert one of the boxes with LAB and the other with CMYK. (in the Color panel there is a little symbol button that shows if CMYK or Lab conversion is taking place). Now compare the conversion values in each document. The conversion with LAB will give different values in each color space matching the best possible reproduction of the Pantone color in the respective color space which also gives the most consistent color appearance possible between the different color spaces. The conversion with CMYK will give the same values in every color space which with exception for US Web Coated (SWOP)v2, will be completely wrong, resulting in different color appearance far from the possibilities of the color space being used to match that color.
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Is there a good way to load a pantone, or a portion of a pantone library into your swatches pallete in INdesign cs5? I found how to add indvidual colors but if I could I would like to add more of the library to my swatches pallete.
In a realted issue I was wondering why some pantone colors I can'tsearch for in the "swatch name" search field. For example you cant search for reflex blue or cool grey 7. Once I find those colors on the list the "swatch names" field will show thier name or a number. However you cant manually put those names or numbers into that field to find those colors. Does any one know why this might be? Is there a good work around or I am going about this wrong?Try this zip archive, which includes Pantone Solid color library charts.
http://www.zenodesign.com/forum/PantoneChartsCS3.zip
With the charts you can use the text find/change -
Since Pantone has started changing color values and adding new swatch books to expand their products (and add additional revenue streams), I’m finding that it’s rather difficult to update our libraries in Adobe Creative Suite applications.
This all started with the dramatic and unexpected color value conversion (RGB to LAB) from earlier versions of CS to CS5 (or CS5.5). Adobe and Pantone kept these changes under wraps and didn’t formally announce anything, not even after the changes caused havoc throughout the community.
Now it seems as though Adobe give you an older base set of Pantone colors and relies on you to invest in Pantone products to get the Pantone Color Manager software to update your libraries. I work within an advertising agency and we use many of the Pantone swatch books. Constant changes by Pantone makes it difficult for us (hundreds of users) to update our libraries. I’m currently working on these updated changes and have some questions regarding the process.
I’ve downloaded Pantone Color Manager, registered and “activated” the software. I see how to select various Pantone libraries by the “Fan Deck” option and how to “save as” that particular library. I am however, presented with many options when exporting each library and I’m not sure which to pick.
If I look into each of the Adobe Application folders and drill down to the swatch library location, each Adobe application has a different file type or additional libraries that resides in its folder. Illustrator uses ACB (Adobe Color Book) files while Photoshop has both ACB and ACO (Adobe Color). And to complicate matters more, Pantone Color Manager has selectable options for different color spaces when exporting each library. Do I select the “Lab (D50/2)”, “Lab (D65/2)” or “sRGB (D65/2)”?
The agency does digital, print and video work, so to define a particular color (D) value based on one might seem wrong since we handle 3 different mediums in which those values should be different. But then at the same time, do I download all available options and have the user select which libraries they should be using? I honestly don’t believe all our users know the differences in color temperature variances, it would only confuse them.
This is a discussion for another time, but why can’t Adobe and Pantone work more closely together to update these libraries (and include all the optional libraries) with periodic Adobe updates. It seems like there are a lot of hoops I have to go through to get updated libraries. I actually know the answer to this as a Pantone representative responded to me on this topic, but I’ll keep this posting nice.
So, back to questions I have:
How do I export these libraries for maximum compatibility between all mediums (print, digital, video)? ACO, ACB, ASE, CXF, CLR, ICC, LAB, sRGB, CMYK (Color Bridge), D50, D65?
Do I replace the libraries that already exist in the adobe application swatch folder? Or, Do I piece only newer ones?
Do I create a “Legacy” folder and keep the old libraries due to Pantone retiring colors that are still in use or used in legacy work?
How do I export the various libraries that Pantone has retired and will not allow me to export out of it’s software? They should create an “Archive” of retired libraries but still allow users to download them. To assume all print shops no longer have those inks and that professionals don’t have files/work that use them is wrong.
We are using CS6 currently, so any updates I do now I would probably have to be repeated for CC?
So many issues and questions. Sorry for the lengthy posting and thank you if you stuck in there to read all this.While not all my questions were addressed, Pantone did responded to my initial web inquiry. I still have questions regarding Light settings (D50/D65), mass deployment, installation location (file path distribution vs user file loading), retention of older/previous libraries and CS6 vs CC library updating.
For those of you reading this that are not familiar with the "Pantone Color Manager" software that is referenced below, it is a Pantone application that contains all their current color swatches/books. This software is free for those who buy their printed books (via serial number in book). Others must pay $49 to download their software and update Adobe Pantone libraries. In my opinion, this software should be free since Adobe software users already use the Pantone swatches that are installed by default. This is probably why these updates are NOT being pushed via Adobe software updates; not because Pantone and Adobe's deployment schedules conflict (as Pantone mentioned to me). Note that once Pantone discontinues a book or color, it is no longer exportable via this software. You may want to keep a backup of all your default swatches prior to any updating if you may be using older inks/swatches/values.
This is Pantone's response:
How can I share PANTONE Color Manager libraries with others?
While PANTONE Color Manager is single-user, the PANTONE libraries may be shared with other users without license restriction. To do this, do the following:
Launch PANTONE Color Manager software
Open the desired library you wish to share
Go to File/Save As to open the Save As dialog
Choose ‘Desktop’ as your location
Choose the appropriate ‘file type’ for your application:
.ase – Adobe Swatch Exchange – for Illustrator and InDesign
.aco – Adobe Color Order – for Photoshop swatch list
.acb – Adobe Color Book – for use with Adobe Color Picker within Photoshop
Click ‘save’ or ‘export’ depending on your version of PANTONE Color Manager
The file is saved to your desktop. From here, you can e-mail it to individual users or post it to a shared network folder for all to access.
To import the colors, do the following:
Adobe Illustrator
1. Go to Window/Swatch Libraries/Other Library
2. Navigate to the desired .ase file and open it.
Adobe InDesign
1. Go to Swatches/New Color Swatch
2. Go to Color Mode/Other Library
3. Navigate to the desired .ase library and open it.
Adobe Photoshop – Swatches Palette
1. Go to Window/Swatches
2. Click the arrow on the Swatches palette and select Load Swatches
3. Navigate to the desired .aco file and open it. -
Evening all -
this is by no means the first time I'm banged my head against the colour management brick wall, and I doubt it will be the last
I am running Frame 12 and Illustrator CC on Windows 7.
Both these Adobe products ship bundled with Pantone libraries. (Correct me with I'm wrong, but these "libraries" are basically a bunch of look-up tables, mapping named Pantone colours to various CYMK, RGB, etc equivalents?)
Can anyone tell me why these two different Adobe applications appear to give different definitions for the same Pantone colours?
For example, if I choose the Pantone Coated library > 'Warm Red'
In Illustrator CC (left screenshot), it offers this as C0% M87.4% Y79.9% K0%
in FrameMaker 12 (right screenshot), I get C0% M79% Y91% K0%
Why are they different?
Are the library definitions shipped with the products simply different?
Frame's dialog ominously mentions "© Pantone, Inc., 1986, 1988"
And if I go to C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\AdobeFrameMaker12\fminit\color and open the corresponding .bcf file in an editor, the header says:
"BCF 2.0PANTONE¨ Coated 1.1 ©Pantone, Inc., 1986, 1988.PANTONE¨* Computer Video simulations displayed may not match PANTONE-identified solid color standards. Use current PANTONE Color Reference Manuals for accurate color. To order publications from Pantone, Inc., in the U.S. please call the toll-free number (800) 222-1149 [within NJ, call (201) 935-5500]. In other countries contact your local Pantone representative. *Pantone, Inc.'s check-standard trademark for color.[1]"
whereas if I go to C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Adobe Illustrator CC\Presets\en_US\Swatches\Color Books and open the corresponding .acb swatch file in there, in amoungst the hex gibberish I note it says:
"�=$$$/colorbook/PantonePlusCoated/title=PANTONE+^R Solid Coated/$$$/colorbook/PantonePlusCoated/prefix=PANTONE *$$$/colorbook/PantonePlusCoated/postfix= CK"$$$/colorbook/PantonePlusCoated/description=Copyright^C Pantone LLC, 2010"
Have Pantone perhaps changed their colour definitions between 1988 and 2010?
(I'm thinking it would be sensible to establish this one way or the other before we get into any convoluted discussions about the Windows GDI etc etc)David,
What options did you use for defining the colours internally and what options for output in AI? I suspect that if you examine the EPS file you created from AI for the Panotne 355C, the only values in there are the CMYK ones - no LAB nor RGB. So FM has to use the algorithm mentioned in the other thread and creates the lime green based upon the algorithm. If you have set the AI drawing to an RGB color mode and set the EPS export option for "Include CMYK Postscript in RGB files" to OFF, then you would get the desired RGB values in the EPS file.
If you're so intent on using Pantone Spot colours to get RGB, then you can create your own ACF library file with the exact RGB definitions that you want (you can then use whatever values you get in Photoshop, Illustrator or whatever source that you're trying to match). The structure of the file is as follows:
ACF 1.0
My Color Library <---- name of library
LibraryVersion: 1.0
Copyright: © 2014 <your name here>. All rights reserved.
AboutMessage: User defined Spot colours for RGB
Names: Partial
Rows: 4
Columns: 4
Entries: 1 <---- number of colours in file
Prefix: <---- used for display in FM, e.g. "Panotne"
Suffix: <----- used together with prefix, e.g. "CVC, CVU, etc."
Type: Process <---- Spot, Process, Tint, Mixed (need to add specifier to Data lines)
Models: CMYK RGB
PreferredModel: RGB <---- whatever you want
Data:
0.98 0.11 1.00 0.02 <---- CMYK values (0-1)
0 38143 19967 <---- RGB values as 16-bit, i.e. 16-bit = ( [RGB value (1-255)]*256) + 255; zero is still zero
Spruce Green <---- name of colour
The acf file needs to be installed in the fminit\color folder.
Also, a note of caution, If you screw something up in the acf file (like the incorrect number of entries in the file or you're missing a component value, this will hang FM if you use the View > Color > Definitions... option. You'll need to kill FM, fix or remove the ACF file and re-start. Also, FM only reads the libraries at the start, so if you need to make any changes to the ACF definitions, you have to r-start FM for those changes to take place.
[I know, FM doesn't make it easy, but it can be done...] -
Importing Pantone + series libraries from Pantone Color Manager
Greetings,
I'm exporting Pantone + series libraries from Pantonce Color Manager to Illustrator. Specifically Solid Coated & Uncoated. When I open the libraries on Illustrator the values don't match my color guides. That problem doesn't happen when I export them to Photoshop or InDesign. To make things more interesting doesn't happen either when I export + Series Bridge Color Libraries, only on solid colors ?!?!?. I'm using Illustrator CS5.5, any suggestions would be valuable, thanks!
AldoSomeone can correct me if I am wrong, but you are only licensed to use the version of the software supplied by Lenovo, and any updates that Lenovo has licensed through Pantone. Unlike say video drivers, the commercial Pantone software is pay-for-use, and not tied to Lenovo licensing.
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