Party & Service without Party

Hi all,
We have a Party and service without party options in Integration Directory.What is the differece between those two options.
In which situation we can use those options.
Thanks & Regards,
sekhar

Hi,
>>Party
Is used to represent a business Partner ( who dosen't belong to the Current company's landscape). It is generally defined in a B2B scenario's. So All the systems/services accociated with the Party are referred only as Services.
>>service without party
It is used to represent any service within the landscape and is used in A2A communication.
Cheers,
Siva Maranani.

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Hi all,
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Hi Sudha
Party
Party is used to represent a Business Partner (doesnt belong to the current landscape) which is defined in B2B Scenarios.So All the systems/services accociated with the Party are referred only as Services.
Service without Party
It is used to represent any service within the landscape and is used in A2A communication.
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Hi,
I have a synchronous scenario where I am calling a web Service from SAP R/3 via SAP XI. I have designed the Integration Scenario in the Integration Repository, where I created an A2A role for the R/3 System and a B2B Role for the Web Service. For the Web Service Party in the Integration Directory I use a Business Service unterneath 'Service without Party' as the party for the Web Service is unknown.
I realized that I cannot assign the Business Service to the defined Web Service Role when I want to use the Integrationscenario-Configurator. This only works when I ceate a Party and create the Business Service underneath this Party.
I understand that this makes sense when I am having a B2B communication like in this case although I don't have a real external Party for the Web Service.
But I don't understand for which cases I would create a Business Service underneath the 'Service without Party' as internal Systems are known and can be set-up as Business Systems in the SLD.
Does anybody have such a case where I use an 'Internal' Business Service? And is there any way that I can use such a Business Service in the Business Integrationscenario-Configurator?
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Alex

Hi,
for creatting a communication channel you will have to have either the Business system, Business service.
For file systems which are generally just servers come under Business service. This is one of the place where you use Business service.
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Vijaya
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Business Service Without Party in Integration Scenrio Configurator

Hi everybody
I am stucking in a small issue but do not found a related thread.
Can anybody explain me, why I cannot assign a "Business Service" of typ "Service without Party" to an Application Component? I am try to configure my integration Process and call in the directory Tools --> Transfer Integration Scenario from Integration Repository. In the following Configurator I can only assign Business Systems from SLD or Services with a Party depending on the settings of the Application Component in the Repository (Flag "External Party with B2B Communication"). If you configure the scenario manually it is possible to involve Business Services without party. But I would like to make use of the Wizard and my Customer has a lot of Systems maintained as Business services.
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Hi,
I have not done this type of task before.. but from the given links
see the below information was in the above first link
The following steps are then only required if the application component has at least one connection to a B2B component.
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The integration process service that is already entered on the Integration Process Service for A2A tab page is then assigned to this business service.
B2B Component...
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Using Service without party in Inbound Idoc scenario

Hi Guys,
Can we use a Service Without Party in an inboud Idoc scenario? I want to create a Business Service without party and use it as a sender service. For the Adapter Specific Identfiers for this service I want to put any arbitrary value for the logical system for Idoc adapter (as there is no business system defined in SLD for this, we cannot get the logical system name from there). Would this work while the Idoc adapter tries to resolve the Sender Service? Would this arbitrary value from the Adapter Specific Identifier be taken for SNDPRN in the Idoc control header?
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Suddha

Hi,
You can use Business system or Business Service (Service without Party).
If you use Business system then there will be direct linking with SLD while in case of Business Service you will have to manually add the Interfaces to the Business service.
But in case of IDOC sender since communication channel is not required so you can use Business service as well.
Check this link
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/903a0abc-e56e-2910-51a8-9dc616df56eb
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I am a newbie in XI world. I have a scenario of interfacing a 3rd party system to R/3 via XI. This system will dump a file to XI which needs to be converted to IDOC for R/3 use and later an outbound interface should send some data in a file format to this 3rd party system.
As per various blogs, I have managed to define business system and basid IR config. Since this a 2 way asyncronous interface, I wanted to know
1> In XI, do I need to create a separate Buss System for 3rd Party sender interface( legacy->XI->R/3)
and a new Buss system for 3rd party Receiver interface.(R/3->Xi>Legacy). However in R/3 should I can create only one and assign the inbound/outbound IDOC partner profiles. ( But do the names of legacy systems in R/3 and XI have to be same)
2> What is the difference between Party and Service without Party( I saw these in ID). Do I need to define party for my interface scenario. If yes, How?
3> For testing, I wanted XI to pick files from my desktop and then post to R/3. As per various sdn threads, I realise, I need to give the IP of my PC and use Service without party. Since I am new in this area, I do not know how to define this serv-without party for my scenario. Any blogs or threads which define this would be very helpful.
Appreciate your help and time.
Helpful answers will be rewarded.
Thanks and regards
Shirin

Hi Shirin,
For 3rd party sysytems u can directly configure in ID under bussiness service
we will choose service without party when we are having A2A communication.
A2A means application to application communication, it is used when two systems in same landscape try to communicate with each other. Systems in same landscape means both the systems are belongs to same organization or a company.
Normally in A2A communication sender and receiver is inside one organization and developer have freedom to define communication rules .
refers to link
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04s/helpdata/en/66/58934257a5c96ae10000000a155106/content.htm
we will choose service withparty when we are having B2B communication
B2B means Business to Business communication .It is used when there is exchange of information between two different Parties or companies or landscape.
When two applications in different companies communicates with each other we call it B2B Communication.
in case of B2B every party has it own rules which must be followed if we want to communicate between different organization.
refers to link
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2004/helpdata/en/ca/efb540efe68631e10000000a1550b0/content.htm
communication party (party for short) represents a larger unit, which is involved in a collaborative process. Using a communication party, you generally address a company within a cross-company process.That means we use party only when we r using B2B communcation.for example communication of two diffrent organization who r having different landscape.
The matter of Party comes only when there are number of partners included in the environment. Thats usually happens in B2B systems. The services without party usually happens in normal A2A systems; were normal applications handle the message processing between systems and no multiple partners are interested in same data that are been handled.
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/03/29/xi-error--unable-to-convert-the-sender-service-to-an-ale-logical-system
Business System : It is registered in SLD,We should have all the technical details to use
it, A business system is something that physicallu exists. generally for R/3 applications
we use this one.
Business Service : When we don't have all the technical details then we use the business
service, it is mostly used for B2B scenarios.
In ID objects tab in Business service is there, there right click and create the new business service, and fill the details like interface,...
BUSINESS SERVICE CREATION STEPS:
You can create the Business Service in ID itself.It is an abstract unit and it will act as Business System while exchanging the messages.In ID goto Service Without Party>Choose Business Service>Right Click and say as New>Give Servie Name as your Naming Conventions and choose u r configuration Scenario to adding the same> click on create>It will create the service and u can edit the service>u can find the tabs Receiver,Sender and etc--> Add ur Inbound/Outbound interfaces and corresponding Communication channels.
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Vinod.

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Can any body please suggest me when do we choose service with party and service without party?
We have a scenario where i need to use the webservices provided by the third party Java Based system. i am sure that i need to define Business service as technical details of the system are not available in the SLD. Please do correct me as i am configuring this scenario for the first time.
Any links related to a Web Blog / Thread would be great.
Thanks and best regards,
Kulwant Singh

hi
1.we go for service without party when we are having A2A communication.
A2A means application to application communication, it is used when two systems in same landscape try to communicate with each other. Systems in same landscape means both the systems are belongs to same organization or a company.
Normally in A2A communication sender and receiver is inside one organization and developer have freedom to define communication rules .
refers to link
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04s/helpdata/en/66/58934257a5c96ae10000000a155106/content.htm
2.we go for service withparty when we are having B2B communication
B2B means Business to Business communication .It is used when there is exchange of information between two different Parties or companies or landscape.
When two applications in different companies communicates with each other we call it B2B Communication.
in case of B2B every party has it own rules which must be followed if we want to communicate between different organization.
refers to link
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2004/helpdata/en/ca/efb540efe68631e10000000a1550b0/content.htm
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BR
Kasturika
Edited by: Kasturika Phukan on Feb 12, 2008 6:06 AM

Scenario Configurator and Business Service without party

HI all
Quick question. I can't seem to assign a business service(without party) to an A2A connection in the scenario configurator on the ID. I have an email router service I created to push some emails to internal users, and it only allows me to choose Business systems. It does not seem to give the option of using the business services.
Is that correct, or am I missing something.
Thanks,
Chris

Hi Richard,
If in IR u had seleced the check box "External party with B2B Communication" under Application Component, only then u may c a business service under the scenario onfigurator.
So in ur case u couldnt view the business service.
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Prateek

Service without party

Hi frnds
When we go for the Integration Directory, there we party and service without party, Plz tell me what is the difference in between, and when we use Party and when Service Without party.
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What is the significance of Party and Service without Party in ID? Help!

Hi Experts,
I often get confused with the Party and Service without Party in Integration directory. What is the difference between these two? When to use Party and When to use Service without party?
Kindly help!
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Gopal

Hi,
you need to use a party when you want to change some header fields
of your XI message (when communicating in B2B scenarios for example)
with party you can also use IDOC partner profiles other then LS
(like LI, VN)
but in most cases in A2A scenarios you never use the party object
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Error in Service with Party and Service without party scenario

Hi All,
I am configuring an external system to customer SAP system scenario.
I have configured the external file system as Service with Party and the receiving SAP system as Service without party.
All the configuration including the "Virtual receiver" set up has been done properly but i am still getting the error "No receiver could be determined".
Can somebody help me on this ?
Thanks in advance.
RGds,
Vasanth.

Vasanthakumar,
in my previous experiences with internal/external parties communication, I've found out that the best practice is to create an integration scenario and then create the configuration scenario from scenario wizard. It is much simpler and easier.
Briefly, you'll have to create a dummy party/service in order to "wrap" your internal system, since the external party should not receive information regarding internal systems (Business system name, for example).
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Henrique.

Configuring service with party to service without party

Hi,
I have a scenario where the sender is an external system and reciver system is in our landscape. I have created a party and service for the sender system and a service without party for my receiver system.
Is it possible to configure a scenario, where sender service is with party and receiver service is without party?
Please help
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Anish

Anish,
Is it possible to configure a scenario, where sender service is with party and receiver service is without party?
I think so, it is possible like this ..Not tried..
Some helps -
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/da/7a2f41b239a831e10000000a1550b0/frameset.htm
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/b0b355ae-0501-0010-3b83-8f2bb566fa47
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/e2aeb02c-0601-0010-d680-c9be61ffa390
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I totally understand the definition of Party and services, but on an application point of view when do we actually go in for party and when do we go in for service w/o party??? I feel the diff. is minute but there should be an industry std. and I would like to follow it...
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Teresa

Hi Teresa,
this is more or less a question of organizing your scenarios. Until now I could not experience any difference between "Party" and "Service w/o Party". We use "Service w/o Party" in all internal scenarios, meaning that no external partner is involved. If it comes to a scenario where we need to communicate with external partners then we place it under "Party". That's all about it. I also asked this question on the XI 3.0 education and the answer was the same....
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Kind Regards,
Jeg

Please check this section
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Business service and party

business systems are logical names to technical systems
what are business service and party explain with simple example.

Hi
business systems are logical names to technical systems
what are business service and party explain with simple example
Business service are abstract of senders and receivers which does not point to any Technical system or SLD components. This is useful when you are trying to achieve Cross Company integration or B2B.
When you are not able to define system in landscape for a system refer to another location use business service for that.
Example
Company A Location A ERP1wants to integrate with Company B Location B ERP2
Now you are not having ERP2 in Company A landscape then you can rely on Business service for ERP2 and Business system for ERP1 in Company A landscape. (Service without party)
Company A can use Company B as a party as well. Then this will be considered as Third party communication and you can have components with Party.
Refer
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70/helpdata/EN/c7/301640033ae569e10000000a155106/frameset.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70/helpdata/EN/42/c817d9d2296bb2e10000000a1553f6/frameset.htm
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