PCA-MIRO: Porfit center on balance sheet accounts

Dear Experts,
I face the following issue:
During invoice verification (MIRO) the profit center which was mentioned in the Purchase Order (the profit center to be assigned on P&L account during Goods Receipt and, if applicable, during invoice verification on the P&L account in case of differences) is assigned on the GR/IR balance sheet account in despite of balance sheet accounts are not transferred to PCA.
It is an issue because it multiplies the number of line items during invoice verification (one line item for each profit center). Due to that, substitution would not be an solution since it will erase the profit center but not concatenate line items. Field status group of my GL account set the profit center field as "suppressed". MM field status group cannot be changed since the profit center is useful for the P&L account.
I believe the solution should be in MM and line item summarization, but I cannot succeed.
Please, could you support me?
Many thanks in general for this forum and in advance for your help,
King regards, Gregory.

Hello
Like FI field status groups, where we can manage screen field control, there are field status groups for movement types.
So in MM check FSG for these movement types and make them optional. It is somewhere in IMG in MM.
Hope you would get values.
Reg
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Edited by: Thomas Sablonski on Jul 23, 2008 5:43 PM
Edited by: Thomas Sablonski on Jul 23, 2008 5:46 PM
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We have got it working 100% looks nice...
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