PCI Graphics in Quicksilver Dual 1 Ghz?

I recently was given a dual 1 ghz Quicksilver. The previous owner suspects logic board problems but before I give up I'd like to try a different video card, perhaps in a PCI slot instead of the AGP where the current card is. Anyone know if this is OK to do? Perhaps with the ATI Radeon 9200 PCI Edition? Any other cards you suggest? Thanks for any info!

I am troubleshooting a G4 AGP Sawtooth machine, and I did just what you are asking about. I pulled the AGP graphics card and installed a PCI graphics card. It works fine on this particular machine; I would guess it would work with yours also. Good luck!
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Hey Speed,
So, for those two internal drives, the specs are that they have to be: EIDE - Enhanced IDE or ATA and not SATA or Serial ATA because from what I understand you need a different set of controllers for them; yes?
Yes. Plus the cabling is completely different.
Also, does the second drive require it to have jumper settings to be a "slave" or do I not have to worry about that in the Mac world?
Generally that drive is set to "slave" and is placed on the middle connector.
I can readily see that I can install two internal EIDE drives in the standard slot area. Is there a size limitation on the internal drives?
This is from LEM about your machine:
http://www.lowendmac.com/ppc/quicksilver-2002-power-mac.html
"hard drive: 40/60/80 GB 7200 rpm UltraATA/66. Maximum IDE drive size is 128 GB without third-party support. See caution note below."
*Power Macs earlier than the 2002* Quicksilver models do not have built-in support for IDE hard drives with capacities over 128 GB. Without a third-party solution, larger drives can only be formatted to 128 GB in these models. There are three options (as noted on Accelerate Your Mac):
* Intech's ATA Hi-Cap Support Driver
* A PCI IDE card that supports big drives
* A FireWire enclosure that supports big drives
So that all seems to indicate that your machine has support for drives larger than 128. I would first run your serial number here:
http://www.chipmunk.nl/klantenservice/applemodel.html
and verify that it has the support.
Then I would buy from OWC:
http://www.macsales.com/
and talk to them about your exact situation. They are very knowledgeable and if things don't work out they support/take back what they sell you.
Richard
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Thanks Rodney, Gary and everyone else who pointed me to investigate possible solutions to my Mac G4 Quicksilver/Dual 1gig which refused to boot up when the door was closed but booted okay when the side door was open.
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