PCI modem for Blue & White G3?

The internal modem drivers shown in Tiger make it seem like I could install almost any PCI type internal modem in my Blue & White G3. Is this true?
Thanks,
Eric

I've yet to find any PCI modem cards that are Mac-compatible, especially since most of them are the inexpensive WinModem type (software-based). The US Robotics Performance Pro v.92 PCI Modem card is about the only one that would be worth trying, as it's a controller-based modem with onboard DSP. Unfortunately, US Robotics never developed a Mac driver for it.
Incidentally, you should post future questions about your B&W G3 in its designated Expansion Forum.

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Found a good price on a WD Caviar 160gb. But it says it is ATA II. Will it work inside this computer. I want to swap it out with the original drive and use it as the boot up drive.

The Blue & White G3 does not have native SCSI support, so you must be using a PCI card SCSI controller. If your Blue & White G3 shipped in the "Server" configuration, that card could be an Adaptec with 5 digit number, or Apple/ATTO such as the UL2D with second internal connector de-populated. The pale yellow to white "teflon" cable is folded in a convoluted way to allow each of the the three drive connectors to reach a drive right-side up. The black gizmo at the end is a terminator. Only 68-pin SCSI drives will fit on that cable without adapters.
Macs like yours can use drives on any or all of their busses.
If your Mac shipped with the "stacking bracket" shown in this article, it is almost certain to be a rev 2, whose very short IDE/ATA cable can accept up to two IDE/ATA drives, one set to Master and one set to Slave.
58193 -- Power Macintosh G3 (Blue and White): Additional Hard Drive Installation Options

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Missing PCI slots in back of Blue & White

My Blue & White has about two or three PCI metal slot covers missing. I've read in the B & W manual (PDF document from Apple's website) that the unused slots should be covered to keep the interior of the computer cooler. If this is the case, could I cover the slot openings with cardboard? Or do I have to hunt for PCI metal slot covers instead?
Don't want to start using the computer with the open slots and have it not cooler the way it is supposed to be. Thanks.
silverado93

Your Mac will shut down before it does itself any permanent damage.
Those metal slot covers should be replaced some time. They are readily available from any dealer that does PCs or Macs -- they use the same part -- and are not expensive. Don't use cardboard.
Here is a set of 6 for US$2 + shipping:
http://www.cyberguys.com/templates/searchdetail.asp?productID=1284&sk=MC51419

Are Blue & White G3's obsolete for Tiger?

I have two Blue & White G3 400 MHz (revision1) machines that I keep around for iTunes and web surfing when my G4 is busy. I have just tried installing Tiger on one ( with Applerescue discs) and it seems to be a no-go. I'm installing on an ATA hard drive (Western Digital 120 GB), not a SCSI hard drive (it's only 10GB). Both are in this machine.
I noticed the first Apple screen (gray with dark gray Apple logo) looked weird. There were five logos made of horizontal lines such that when you over-lapped the images you would have one complete image. The install went great until the System Update installer crashed. I tried the Applerescue discs and the built in Software Update. I tried re-booting and the problem did not go away. After another re-boot the computer hangs on the weird gray screen described above. After another install I'm caught in the registration setup. It keeps going back to the beginning of registration.
Are these early Blue & White machines doomed to stay on Panther? I hate to throw away two good computers.
Tracy

I have had difficulty using the Apple purchased CD to install OS X on my B&W G3. I am hoping someone can give me some assistance. The installation CD disc 1 completes the installation without installing the package files contained in CD install disks 2-4. As a result when attempting to
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PowerMac G3 Blue & White Hard Drive Trouble/Help Requested

Hey all,
I work for a small IT/computer repair company. We recently got in a PowerMac G3 Blue & White (300 MHz; 512K cache; 64 MB SDRAM) which has what appears to be a bad hard drive.
(Upon boot, it comes up with a flashing disk/question mark and you can hear the drive making noises it shouldn't be/spinning up and down/etc.). I've tried booting with the OS CD (8.5.1) in the drive and get a bit further, but it complains of an unimplemented trap, and if I try holding down C to boot up, it starts to load, but then the screen flashes and it eventually locks up (but without the hard drive connected at all doesn't even get that far; just a gray screen).
I've done some research and think my first step should be to replace the hard drive (though if that's not the case, I'd appreciate some insight). I haven't fixed many Macs before, though, so I still have several questions:
1.) The drive that came with the machine is a 6 GB IBM connected to the mainboard IDE interface. It lists it as having Apple HDD Firmware. Is this firmware required on any drive I'd have to get to work with this machine, or can I go with any IDE drive and not worry about it like with PC's (I'm going to stay as small as I can, but with newer drives, that's probably still a lot of gigs)?
2.) Similarly, when I do get a new drive, assuming that's the problem, will OS 8.5.1 be able to format and use it, as I've never done an install of this particular OS before. I'm assuming I just boot from CD and go through the process?
3.) Unfortunately, I've discovered this unit is using the Revision 1 chipset. So I may need to go for some sort of PCI IDE interface option. Any recommendations for a cheap solution here, and is this a definite must to get this working reliably?
4.) The owner of this machine also inquired about a DVD/CD burner (would have to be external as there's no room inside). Any recommendations that would work well with this machine, or is this machine not suited to using these types of drives well?
5.) Can this Apple G3 run Mac OSX well enough, as the client has also expressed interest in upgrading OSes, or is it too slow for this?
Thanks much for any help - this is fairly new territory for me!
Shaun

Shaun,
After the iMac killed the used Mac market and the G4 killed the value of the B&W G3, I closed up shop and moved on to better ways of making money. lol
One client wanted a newer mac cheap so I bought her a used B&W G3. One month later they came out with the Mac Mini for $125.00 more than a fully configured B&W. With in the year, that client moved up to a Mini. The B&W has plummeted in value since that day. Current market is G4 or better now.
For a hobby machine, it is still a great computer. To pay for service time at shop rate, that model can quickly become a money pit. You may have already checked out some sites like this:
http://www.macgurus.com/products/motherboards/mbppcg3bw.php
so I apologize in advance if you already know the history of issues with that machine.
Yes we can walk you through the resurrection of a Blue and ***** ( honest typo) Mac, but religious preferences aside, if you value the client, tell them about the value of a mini. It was built to run OS X. It has behaved flawlessly ( except with MS Office ) for us here.
The model of B&W Mac that you mentioned has many service land mines. Those traps for the unwary can be easily avoided with SCSI interface cards and a SCSI drive. Your fees and the cost of the upgrades might add up to close to the cost of a bare bones Mini. Just something to consider.
First thing to do is to "zap the PRAM" and Texas mac man gives a good tutorial here:
http://www.geocities.com/texas_macman/pram.html
The Apple OEM HDD firmware is not required but it does make life much easier on your client.
If you have a spare Western Digital IDE drive kicking around, see if you can format it to Mac with Drive Setup in the Utilities folder of any drive you can get to boot that Mac after zapping the PRAM.
The Mini can be ordered with a DVD burner.
Good luck.
Jim

Studio Monitor (Graphite/Clear) to Macintosh G3 (blue/white) connection

I have a Apple 17inch Studio Monitor (Graphite/Clear) that I'm connecting to a Macintosh G3 (blue/white) what kind of adapter do I need? The monitor cable has a male end with 3 rows by 10 pins plus a flat pin on the side. The G3 port is a 3 row by 5 pin female socket.

Welcome to the Apple Forums, recently revised just for your visit!
Does your Studio Display have its own AC power cord? If not, what it really needs is a display card from a G4 or an alternate power supply. I think Dr. Boot sells one, but it runs about US$100.
There is a lot of word-salad surrounding the various interfaces, and what can work with what. I suggest this article, which may help make more sense of it:
58692 -- Power Mac G4: Display Compatibility.
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Problems With External HDs On Blue & White G3

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Suggest USB PCI card for PM 7200/120

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I want to instal a USB PCI card in a 7200/120. It's running OS 8.6 with Apple USB Support 1.4.1 software. Also have Toast Titanium 5.2 with its Toast USB support extensions loaded. Also tried running OS 9.1 on alternative startup drive with same Apple USB Support 1.4.1 etc.
I've installed a 5 port USB v2 (32-bit host interface compliant to PCI spec release 2.2 and backward compatible with USB 1.1) card from Laser (www.laserco.net). The packaging says it's compatible with Win 98/98SE/ME/2000/XP but no mention of Mac. The 7200 doesn't see the card installed in PCI slot (checking Apple System Profiler). Double-checked to make sure the PCI was securely seated in the slot, tried different slot etc.
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Claudio,
Two years ago, this question was very common. Warnings were given about certain Belkin cards not working well. With the passage of time and the drop in price of newer used systems, few people spend money on upgrading older equipment. It can be done but the beige G3 is the minimum platform that most will work on. Here is a guide to Mac resources in Australia.
http://www.tandb.com.au/buying/
This site sells a wide array of older Mac products. They offer an interesting list of prior models that they still buy, including 7300 models and IIci models. The 7200 is not on their list of models that are in demand.
http://resale.headgap.com/
"TRADE-INS OR SELL YOUR OLD MAC
Remember we pay wholesale prices. Many times when you are ready to upgrade your old system may not be worth much, especially to a dealer who is used to buying in quantity at wholesale prices and has the units shipped in bulk truck freight. Boxing and shipping your old system costs a few dollars. Here lately we have been having more trouble locating older systems people are still buying. We will begin offering trade-ins or to buy outright certain older systems. The following are on the list: PowerMac G4, iMac G4, QuickSilver G4, Blue & White (REV 2 Only), G3 Desktops, PowerMac 7300, Quadra or Centris 650, and Mac IICI's and SI's. The units need to be cosmetically in good condition and working (at least chiming). Trade in value will vary from the top wholesale price for extra clean, that exceed stock configurations and down for less that prime units. We are also purchasing good used Apple Desktop Bus Mouse II ADB Mice, working StyleWriters, and SCSI Zip Drives."
Hope this helps. My experience with buying USB cards for Macs convinced me to only buy cards that are already installed in a working used Mac. The Mac costs $15 US and the card is free. I realize that your market is somewhat different. However, if it is hard to find a working card here, it will be even harder there.
Take note, even Headgap does not want Rev. 1 Blue and White Macs. Avoid them if you have a choice.
This company has iMacs for under $200 in Australia. That may be high and it may not be a current price.
http://www.newwavesystems.com.au/pre-owned_imac.html
They also show a PowerMac G4/400MHz for $150 Australian here:
http://www.newwavesystems.com.au/pre-owned_powermac.html
That would be money well spent compared to any upgrades to a 7200. Otherwise, find a recycler who knows a thing or two about Macs and wait for them to come across the right card for you.
Ji˜m

Unable to delete photos from my desktop , I get a drop down box with continued blue/ white bars - now 6 hours

Having dragged 8 photos onto my desktop from iphoto for the purpose of easy addition to an email , I now find that when I dragged them to the Trash bin , they fail to delete.
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It's now 6 hours and I cannot stop either. Tried to shut down my computer and reboot but it won't let me . I tried turning the power off , but the problem remains .
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Blue & White G3 won't boot from Tiger DVD

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the B & W G3's ARE supported under OS X 10.4 right? This computer came to me only a week ago with 10.3.9 installed (flaky, but working), 32x CD-ROM, 384 MB RAM, 25 GB HD. The PRAM battery is dead. I was also given an NEC 5x DVD-ROM to install. This works fine (when it wants to) when booting with an OS 9.2.2 CD-ROM, and it can see and open the Tiger install CD... but it will NOT boot from it for some reason, computer just sits and idles. Any ideas?

This article concerns a specific problem with the Blue & White G3 and the Matsushita CR-587 CD-ROM drive. However, it shows an Open Firmware workaround that you could try:
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My son has a 400Mhz Rev. 2 Blue & White. Recently the Power Supply died, which I replaced, but when it died it also took one of the hard drives with it, before that it was working flawlessly. He had two ATA drives, both Maxtor, one the original 6 gig, with OS 9.2.2, and a 40 gig with OS X 10.4.11 on it. It was the 40 gig that died. Like I said I replaced the the dead power supply, pulled the faulty hard drive and replaced it with another one with 10.4.11 on it. The computer would start up, sometimes it would chime, sometimes not, but it would always go to a white screen, with the mouse courser in the top left hand corner and just sit there. I tried zapping the PRAM, resetting the logic board, pressing the CUDA Switch, starting up from original 8.6 CD, a retail OS 9.1 CD, a retail Tiger CD, and even a SCSI hard drive with OS 9.2.2 it. The only thing that worked was the Tiger CD, which would allow me to boot to the OS X drive. But for some reason I cannot boot to any device with OS 9.2.2 or lower. I can boot into classic from OS X, but I cannot boot directly to any drive with OS 9.
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Ken,
A couple more things you should try: First I would try removing the PRAM battery from the computer with it powered off and unplugged for at least 10 minutes. This will completely kill the clock and the PRAM, but the PRAM settings may still hold. Then put the battery in and power it back on. I just replaced RAM in a G4Cube and that was the only way to get the system to accept the new RAM. Of course this resets your system clock to January 1st 1907, which will cause all sorts of complaints until you reset the clock, but it could fix the disparate drive problem.
Another thing to know is that certain PATA drives do not play well together Western Digital and Maxtor for instance. WD Masters expect WD slaves on their chain, so if you are mixing brands, you should try placing both drives in Cable Select Mode. Place the blue end of the ribbon cable on the motherboard, the master drive on the black cable end and the slave on the gray connector in the middle and give that a whirl.
Then you should hold down CommandOption+OF for Open Firmware when you press the power button, that will bring up your Open Firmware interface and enable you to view the startup settings. From there you can specify which hard drive you want it to boot from. If you know the drive and slice you can specify it in the boot-device entry. To view all the entries type "printenv" and press enter it should show a full page of options and then give you the option to press space for the last 7 or so entries. See what boot-device has next to it. It should read something like hd:0:2,\\:tbxi If you don't know what your boot slice is you can wipe out the entry one of two ways: You can edit the entry directly, in which case you would type "setenv boot-device hd:\\:tbxi" Return Then do a "printenv" again. That should show the blank entry--what you're doing is removing the specific boot drive assignment. You might also wish to change the boot mode so that you can see the device messages instead of the gray screen as the system boots. You can do that temporarily by pressing Command+V on boot. To store your new settings and start the Mac type "mac-boot" and Return. To choose which drive you want to boot from hold Option down as it powers up and you should be shown a list of the volumes with a bootable MacOS on them, as the OS Finds the bootable folders. Then you should be able to get Mac OS 9 or X to boot.
Let us know how you make out...
Tom

PCI Modem in a B&W G3?

Hello,
I am interested in putting a modem into a B&W G3. I have found some good prices for PCI modems on ebay, however, I am not sure if these modems will work in my computer. I know that one of the great things about Macs is that installation of drivers is usually not required. Would this be true with a PCI Modem?
Thank You for your help!
Video Guy

Unfortunately, there are no PCI modem cards that are Mac-compatible, mainly because so many of those used in PCs were fully or partially software-based (WinTel modems). A full-hardware modem has an onboard DSP and controller, but software-based modems pass off some of these chores to the CPU through software. As far as I know, the only 100% hardware-based PCI modem card in production is the US Robotics 56K v.92 Performance Pro, but there are no Mac drivers for it - either through US Robotics or built into OS X. Some B&W G3s (Build-to-Order models) shipped with Apple's proprietary internal modem card, that connects to the COMM slot with a ribbon cable. I think MegaMacs had some new "old stock" Global Village 56K v.90 modem cards, designed for the B&W G3s, PCI Graphics G4s, and early iMacs. I'll double-check my bookmark for the retailer (when I'm using my B&W), but I know that they were selling for $19.99. You could also use a hardware-based external modem and connect it to a USB port, using a DB-9 or DB-25 serial-to-USB adapter. There are several on the market, but IOGEAR's adapter has Mac drivers for OS 9 and OS X. When I needed a modem for one of my B&W G3's, I considered buying one of the Global Village internal cards, but decided to use one of my US Robotics 56K v.90/x2 external modems, connected via USB with the IOGEAR adapter. My other B&W has the Apple internal modem card, but in terms of performance, the US Robotics is a little better. I've also used BestData's 56K v.92 (56USBPMAC) external USB (bus-powered) modem, which worked well and eliminated another power supply, crowding the surge protector.

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A: Recalibrate your monitor using Adobe Gamma (OS9) or the Displays Control in System Preferences (OSX). Photoshop uses your monitor profile to display your images other apps don't. Be sure you start the recalibration using a fresh monitor profile (sRGB or the profile that came with your monitor for example). If you try to recalibrate using the old corrupt profile you will still have a corrupt monitor profile and your color will still be bad. Also, if you are using OS 9 make sure you are using ColorSync 3.0.4. The 3.0.4 patch is available on the Apple web site.
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Thanks. But it looks like in all my frustration, I wasn't sure my original call for help had posted, so must have submitted the same question again.
But I just had a new thought on the problem. While reviewing a story I received from another website, I noticed that the photos attached to the article looked a lot like what I described in my message. It made me wonder if I have a software problem at all . . . or if it's the screen on my Mac that needs recalibration!
It only took 2 minutes to find a website that discussed it — with sample screens to help determine if that was what I'm dealing with. Since a screen supposedly showing a mix of numbered, grey boxes looked totally white to me and I could only see the white numbers on a screen that supposedly contained boxes in varying shades of black, I think I might be on the right track. Just not sure, since I had to reach the bottom of the page before spotting the pitch for a product that supposedly will recalibrate for me. I'm not sure I want to tackle recalibration on my own, but may call the Mac Geniuses at our local mall and see if my hunch is right . . .and if so, what they would charge to do it for me.
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