PCI versions in QuickSilver

Hello,
I'm going to buy USB 2.0 PCI card for my QuicSilver 800MHz, with NEC chip rather than VIA (I think there are more problems with VIA chips on Macs), but I'm not sure about PCI version?
In G4 guide there is a notice, that QS has PCI 2.1, so I should install just PCI 2.1 cards. But I think they meant not to install any older card, simply because there was no PCI 2.2 at that time. On the other hand, I can find only PCI cards, which are designed for PCI 2.2 (at least their params say that) and I don't know, if they are backward compatible?
So do you think PCI 2.2 card will work in my PCI 2.1 mac? And if not, don't you know about any PCI 2.1 card (for USB 2.0)?
I've search the forum, but I didn't found out, whether PCI cards are backward compatible or not.
Thanks very much

I am troubleshooting a G4 AGP Sawtooth machine, and I did just what you are asking about. I pulled the AGP graphics card and installed a PCI graphics card. It works fine on this particular machine; I would guess it would work with yours also. Good luck!
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Infinity7,
I do not want to sound arrogant, but the list of options you provided me with is the stereotypical laundry list of system configuration information for any piece of hardware. I'll address everything though.
) No, I'm not using an NVIDIA chipset. I'm using an ASuS Maximus Extreme, just like you said, which uses the X38 chipset.
2) I'm using Windows XP 32-bit, SP2. I have 2 GiB of memory and do NOT have PAE enabled.
2) I don't have onboard sound; our motherboard has a PCI-E sound card which I do not have installed.
3) I don't have any spyware. I don't browse the web on my system. I know every program running and have no rootkits. Nothing is hiding from me.
4) I don't use antivirus programs. I've been on the internet for 5+ years now and have never needed an antivirus program, since I know when I have a virus and I remove it manually.
5) I have the latest version of DirectX, June 2008 Redistritutable. Note that most of the post DX 9.0c revisions are meant for D3D, and have nothing to do with DSound.
6) I've tried every PCI-E slot I have, including both PCI-E x slots and both PCI-E x6 slots. The card is currently in one of my x6 slots.
7) Any 998+ system is going to have IRQ sharing. Between ACPI BIOSes (more IRQs), Windows XP and drivers, IRQs are rarely in conflict, aside from occasional USB device IRQ sharing. To answer your question, yes, currently both my video card and sound card are sharing IRQ 6. I have done enough work to isolate that IRQ sharing is NOT the issue, though, especially through my testing of the PCI card and the PCI-E card experiencing the same issue.
8) The output sampling rate of games is not always configurable, and never makes a difference. The X-Fi always upsamples everything it gets as it is, though I guess there is some validity to the sampling rates that are streamed into the buffers.
Now, to address the rest of your suggestions I say read my post. I specify that changing acceleration to emulation results in perfect stability and sounds that sound correct, however the relaxed latency results in sounds? that are easily delayed by second. This is unacceptable for gaming, obviously.
As for your ordering of driver installation, it really is through lack of knowledge that people state what order drivers must be installed in. Even NVIDIA's drivers probe for any change through the interfaces they use when the system starts, so any chipset drivers that drastically change the devices in Windows will be detected as changed by other drivers. Be that as it may, I didn't even have the X-Fi in my computer when I installed this latest version of Windows. Only after I had installed everything did I begin to install the Creative Drivers (whilst avoiding all bloatware).
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Motherboard : ASuS Maximus Extreme X38 Chipset, BIOS 0907
CPU : Intel QX9650 (OCed from 3.0GHZ to 3.6GHZ, stable through Orthos testing)
Memory : (2) GiB Corsair Dominator Sticks, 4-4-4-2
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