PCI vs. PCI-X nomenclature

I have read the past couple months of questions & answers re: PCI, PCI-X & PCI Express or "e" card topics and think I have one that hasn't been answered yet...kinda
I would like to add a 3-port Firewire 400 card and a 3-port USB 2 card to my G5.
My G5 slot configs are:
Full-length PCI-X slots: one 133MHz, 64-bit slot and two 100MHz, 64-bit slots
I have researched and followed numerous links to cards recommended within the Discussions and have found a decent amount of PCI 3-port Firewire 400 & USB 2 cards (not combos, btw). But, none of the sites (SmallDog, Newegg, etc, etc) have the actual name of PCI-X. Just PCI.
Am I being too A-type because I think I need to see the "-X" at the end of PCI??
Small Dog - http://www.smalldog.com/product/36283
Someone recommended this card in a thread who had my exact G5. It doesn't look like the notches on the connecting tab will match up with the actual slot. AND it is listed as PCI, NOT PCI-X.
This image really helped me understand the visual difference - http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/lovemacs1945261989644
*The 3 open slots my G5 has is the second one down in this graphic, PCI-X (I believe 1.0, too)
Am I going full-blown obsessive compulsive on this or what?! ; ) Card names, mfgs, links to cards that will work, ideas are mucho appreciated.
Dave
dual 2Ghz G5 Mac OS X (10.4.9)

It is either PCI 33MHz 64-bit, or the more rare PCI Express.
So yes, a little
I would check http://www.xlr8yourmac.com for compatibility
OWC http://www.macsales.com for what they sell
Usually can't go far wrong with Sonnet
http://www.sonnettech.com

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