PCI vs PCIe slots?

Dumb question, I suppose ... but, I'm about to upgrade from my G5 2ghz to an 8 core 3.0ghz and have two cards I need for FCP: a SATA drive card and a Blackmagic capture card (Decklink SP). I assume both cards are PCI and not PCI Express. Will these cards work in the new 8-core's slots?
Is PCIe backwards compatible with PCI cards?
Or will I -- should I -- have to upgrade those cards (I hope not....)
Thanks in advance on some education about these slots.

Hi Moonshiner,
as far as I can see here http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Hardware/Conceptual/PowerMacG5_05Oct/Articles/PwrMacG5-0510_archi.html#//appleref/doc/uid/TP40003917
and hoping that this is your PowerMac as well, it seems that it has PCI-Express slots already.
So chances might be good, that your cards work in a Mac Pro too.
But you should verify this by contacting the manufacturers of both cards.
regards
Stefan

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http://forum.overclock3d.net/showthread.php?t=50329
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=379882
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Hello,
Does anyone have an idea what is the clear distance between two PCIe x 16 slot of P55 GD85? planning to get one if my 2 x GTX 285 with modified cooling fan will fit in. each VGA with modified fan is around 55mm in height.
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Exactly, there was no "rude" intention or the will to provoke you behind my previous answer. In fact, I spent 15 minutes to find a ruler in order to measure the port distance on three different ATX Board to make sure I am not telling you anything wrong. I would not have bothered to do that if I had been planning to write a rude reply.
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