PDF Colour Too Dark HELP!

I really need some advice, I have a deadline for my art GCSE closing in and there's a major problem with my final piece!
The actual art work is fine, and It looks fantastic viewed from photoshop. However, the printing company requires it to be in PDF format, and when I save as PDF the PDF file has darker, blander colours. Really noticable...
I find with photoshop everything I print comes out darker also.. so I tried researching this and found out a bit about CMYK and RGB but to be honest I need someone too explain this to me in english, with no highly confusing technical terms.
My final piece relies on bright pink and blue, and so I wouldn't want to waste the money printing it on A2, only for it to have dull colours.
Thank you so much in advance I am extremely worried
(I've uploaded a JPEG to show how I want it to look when printed, and then a PDF to show the annoying dull colour change)

The PDF simulates the preview in SWOP (CMYK). The JPG which you view stays in RGB.
In PS, you need to proof colors (ctrl-y) and make sure the proof setup view > proof setup is set to working CMYK. This is an accurate preview of the print. Another thing to look at (why the darkening happens) is the gamut warning (view > gamut warning, ctrl-shift-y) and see all the gray. Those are colors that are outside the CMYK gamut and will not print correctly (as you've seen).
You can see in the color picker those colors have the little warning triangle next to the new/current box. That means they're out of working CMYK gamut and will dull/flatten. Try converting to CMYK and then using adjustment layers to tweak the color (brightness, saturation, contrast) a bit. And learn to watch for that warning triangle. Building files in out of gamut colors can be problematic, as you've experienced.
This is a pic of the sRGB gamut (wireframe) with the sheetfed coated gamut (solid color). You can see in the pinks and bright blues you've chosen the sRGB gamut is hugely wider than the CMYK gamut. Never going to happen.

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The printed proofs supplied by the printers this time were too dark, so I phoned up the Production Manager to tell him this before I signed them off. He said not to worry as they were not 100% accurate for colour anyway. To be on the safe side, I marked on all the proofs individually that the colour was too dark, and printed out and sent them a .pdf of the cover, showing the correct colour balance.
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Wow – thanks for all your suggestions I am going to have to take a while to digest and try them out and report back.
I am in fact on very good terms with the Production Manager at the printers but I think he has rather been dropped in it, as it seems the unhelpful tech support guy has just left and not been replaced so the Production Control Manager is left trying to sort out advanced technical aspects of prepress for which he has not been trained.
I have to ask why the printers don't give you the information you need up front instead of claiming a .pdf from Indesign is all it takes.
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I have a great problem (being under time-pressure with a project): video-material, taken with a canon HV30, that looks all right on the camera-screen, appears FAR TOO DARK (not usable), after beeing captured. the problem does not seem to be a premiere-problem (I have CS3), since windows movie maker produces the same fault. it is neither a pc-screen-calibration or -regulation-problem, since the same material played onto the same screen by another pc, that displays everthing else perfectly, is also too dark. the answer must be between the cam-corder and the capturing software? does someone have a clue? (the problem seems to be not only mine if you check via google... and the solution seems not to be at hand...)
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thanks,
dear craig,
for your thoughts and tips!
I will do that just for curiosity. but then I would have to know how the waveform-scopes should ideally look like? where can I find model-scopes? (and, what's more, the camera "gave up its spirit", as we say in german: can't be switched on any more - brand new... so I'll have to get it fixed...)
but: it seems to me, that your path-finding leads in the wrong direction... see: the camera records pictures digitally on a tape. from the tape it is able to read the data again out onto a screen - and fine! now: you should be able to reproduce that outside the camera - and not blame it somehow...
others seem to have the same problem with different cameras and different systems-cominations (operating system, graphic cards...). so it can't be just my camera. the problem is not so easy...
the guy here - http://forum.videohelp.com/topic281706.html - seems to aim in the right direction (imho): he touches the point of the colour-spaces used! he says inside the camcorder IRE 0.0 / 16-235 color space is used. right? well: outside the cam on a computer-screen RGB or sRGB is used, right? so some transformation has to happen - or may be, it is not done - with the bad result, we have...
now the chap there speaks about the possibly wrong codecs. a codec however has to do with compression/decompression. but - they say - the capturing via firewire is just the unaltered transmission of data, and .avi (the resulting format) is compression-free! so the problem is not a codec-problem. but how's the software called that changes the color-spaces or should change them???
what astonished me very much is to see that, when I change the screen-settings for color/luminance with my nvidia-graphics-card, then everything on the screen changes exept! the to video-images in the two screens (source, program) in premiere... so premiere seems to use its own screen-controle here!
and why actually can't I choose somewhere which the output-conditions for and after the capturing shall be, e.g. the clip-format (.avi, .mov etc.) and - may be! - the color-space! I can just say "DV 25i PAL max. bit-depth" and, under device(=cam)-controle, brand and type of device (and again PAL). now I can choose "canon" but not "HV30" (not contained in the list) - just "standard" instead. but that raises the question: what colour-space are the various cameras using and sending??
now if I check the supported camera-brands and -types online on the adobe-website (http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/dvhdwrdb.html) I can't find canon's HV30 (just the semi-pro-models, for which "conditional support" is promised... but problems seem to lay elsewhere).
on the website, where you can check the compatibility of your cam with premiere, adobe boasts its "Preconfigured solutions
Certified Adobe OpenHD configurations (that) help ensure compatibility between hardware and software components." if you click on the linked text some general boasting and buy exhortations about the "creative suite" come up - no precise information...
should this well known and ill suffered compatibility problem not be handled more clearly and competently?
please help me finding the solution, which is: to interprete the recorded data on the tape, that get transferred via capturing, like the camera does!
thanks a lot indeed!
hilmar
ps: it is interesting to check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_space, where it says: "YIQ was formerly used in NTSC (North America, Japan and elsewhere) television broadcasts for historical reasons. This system stores a luminance value with two chrominance values, corresponding approximately to the amounts of blue and red in the color. It is similar to the YUV scheme used in most video capture systems[2] and in PAL (Australia, Europe, except France, which uses SECAM) television, except that the YIQ color space is rotated 33° with respect to the YUV color space. ...
" you see: two different color spaces in TV and CAPTURE SYSTEMS! is premiere not a capture system?? and what do the graphics-devices underway between the camera and premiere??

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