PDF cropping question

I posted this question in the Illustrator Forum too, but thought it might be worthwile to see if anyone here had any ideas. I have a few hundred PDF files that I created in Illustrator. The Illustrator document size on all of these is 8.5 x 11, but on each file I created a smaller crop area to the artwork. These files crop to the crop area on their image previews and when I open them in Acrobat, but for some reason, they are coming in at the full document size for the programmers that are working with them. I need a way to either automatically reset the Illustrator document size to the crop area, or possibly to process it in Acrobat and remove the document size. I don't want to run it through Photoshop, because we want to keep the vector data, and our tests worked better with Illustrator PDFs then Photoshop.

The problem is not the files, Acrobat, nor Illustrator. The crop used is a non-destructive crop. The entire pdf exists. Your programmers must learn how to determine the crop box and use that information.

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I have read a few posts on the web regarding this issue and was wondering if anybody here has a solution.
Since upgrading to CC, when saving our PDFs they now crop to the boundaries of the artwork and not to the artbord like in previous versions. I work in a PDF enviroment and we have a program that relies heavily on XMP data - one of which is the X and Y co-ordinates of the artwork in relation to the top-left corner of the artboard, however now, when artwork goes outside of the artboard or doesn't fill the artboard, the resulting PDF crops to the artwork thus changing the X and Y co-ordinates of where artwork is positioned on the page.
Is this a bug that is likely to be fixed or has a feature changed that I don't know about.

This is in Illustrator CC Version 17. It is fine when you open them back in Illustrator. I have also noticed that from Illustrator if you do a 'Save As', select PDF, then select one of the PDF presets (I use 'Press Quality) the resulting PDF when opened in Reader displays how I want it, with the artwork as it was positioned on the Illustrator artboard (not cropped). If I then open in Illustrator again, make a change to the artwork, and select 'Save' (not 'Save As') when opened back in Reader the file is cropped again.

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Regarding the archived discussion found here:
https://discussions.apple.com/message/11230425
The question was never really answered as to provide a working solution for Nicolas. Here is his original question:
When I preview a .pdf in the "crop box" mode and I start a slideshow, it shows me the "media box" version.
How can I see the the crop box in the slideshow?
I have had this same issue with certain PDFs in Preview. The simplest and quickest solution I propose is:
1) Open PDF in Preview
2) Find out the actual cropped page size via Tools > Show Inspector
3) Go to File > Print... and then to Paper Size: Manage Paper Sizes... and create a custom paper size for the cropped page size.
4) Finally, click on PDF V Save as PDF... and save a copy of the original PDF.
When you open the file copy in Preview and go to View > Slideshow it will now compose without the crop marks and bleeds.
If anyone still is having this issue, I hope this helps.

Since the media box (as you may know) is the size of the largest page in the PDF file, regardless of placement of objects in the PDF. The crop box is always a subsection of this (or the same size, but never larger), defined by you. It should be the part of the PDF page (media box) that contains the text, pictures, etc. that you want the person reading your PDF to see.
For example, when composing the layout for print publication, you would want to set the media box to be slightly larger than the media you will be printing on. You would then set the crop box to be the precise size of the final, printed media. If you were printing on normal 8.5" x 11" paper then media box would be larger than 8.5" x 11", and the crop box to 8.5 " x 11". This way, you can position pictures and text and whatnot right up to the edge of the printed page. This will also allow you to see whether anything is positioned wrong and is hanging over the edge of the crop box (which would mean it'll be cut off when printed".
So basically, what I meant to say is: the crop box isn't meant for changing how a PDF is displayed; it's meant to control what prints out, and what doesn't, when printing to paper. Microsoft Excel does the same thing -- when looking at a spreadsheet on the computer, you see all cells. If you want to only print a portion of the spreadsheet then you'd use the "set print area" option. Setting the print area isn't the same as just printing a single page or selection of pages, although in some situations they may produce similar printed pages.

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We are facing one issue in the production .
In our application we are generating PDF using FOP. Now this functionality is working fine on the staging server but same is giving problem on the production server.
On the staging/ UAT server PDF is generated fine, but same PDF is generated with question marks (?) in the production.
I am not able to add the pdf files over here. One is generated on the staging server and other is generated on the staging one is containing Question marks.
I will show the relevant parts where there are differences:
ABC, Inc. (Buyer) on UAT but ABC? (Buyer)
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A simple solution would be to add "fake" crop and registration marks in full inking to your design, then convert to PDF. (I did that for a CD cover I made on a laptop with "just" Photoshop.
When you purchase Acrobat, you get an acrobat print driver, so I guess you can print with the crop and registration marks in the Ps output settings...

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Hello, I'm new here.
I just got Photoshop CS4 (Design Suite Standard) last week after having used Elements (2, then 3) for the last five years.
In Elements, when you use the crop tool, you can move the entire frame around by clicking on the dot in the center and moving it.
It seems that in CS4, when I attempt to move the frame, only the center dot moves without moving the frame lines. I looked through the PDF manual, but couldn't find any explanation how to change this.
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Ron

Thanks Zeno! That's the answer.
Just goes to prove ... you may never be too old to learn new tricks ... it just takes longer.
Ron

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grammar would you use? Something standard? Make up your own?
However, there are a number of commercial and open source products that can
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But the other thing you need to understand is that most PDF files do not
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I have installed the recent free release of Adobe Photoshop CS2 on my Win 8.1 PC.
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Hi,
when I preview a .pdf in the "crop box" mode and I start a slideshow, it shows me the "media box" version.
How can I see the the crop box in the slideshow?

Since the media box (as you may know) is the size of the largest page in the PDF file, regardless of placement of objects in the PDF. The crop box is always a subsection of this (or the same size, but never larger), defined by you. It should be the part of the PDF page (media box) that contains the text, pictures, etc. that you want the person reading your PDF to see.
For example, when composing the layout for print publication, you would want to set the media box to be slightly larger than the media you will be printing on. You would then set the crop box to be the precise size of the final, printed media. If you were printing on normal 8.5" x 11" paper then media box would be larger than 8.5" x 11", and the crop box to 8.5 " x 11". This way, you can position pictures and text and whatnot right up to the edge of the printed page. This will also allow you to see whether anything is positioned wrong and is hanging over the edge of the crop box (which would mean it'll be cut off when printed".
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Srini-
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I opened your attached Send CC Email.pdf file in LiveCycle Designer to take a detailed look at it and found the setting you referenced under the Submit tab:
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