Pdf size question

Just trying to figure out pdf creation from ID - can anyone help.
We have a source file that is about 30 megs in size. When we export to pdf from ID using the 'smallest file' setting, we get a pdf file about 10 megs in size. When we print a postcript file and then create a pdf in Distiller using 'smallest file' setting we get a pfd file that is about 2 megs.
The first file is about 5 times the size of the second. This is a huge difference and I'm wondering why?
Thanks in advance for your time.
Eric W.
Victoria, Canada

Using Distiller has many disadvantages. (1) It's usually a two-step process: First create a PostScript file, then use Distiller. Direct export from InDesign is one step. (2) Distiller strips out and/or doesn't support many features of a modern workflow: Using transparency, including tagging for structure (useful for repurposing a PDF), including metadata, using color management, etc. etc. All of these things are supported by direct export and NOT supported by Distiller. (3) Direct Export lets you use PDF presets or create customized presets. These reduce error and save time.
Distiller was developed at a very early stage in digital publishing, and, for most people, is not desirable or necessary.
As to file size, this is not the big deal it was when people sent files by way of slow modems. These days, it's easy to send larger files via easy interfaces like Dropbox.

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