PE10 and Camera Calibration

I am shooting with a Nikon D300 in RAW/NEF format. When I upload pics shot on camera in b/w, they are opening in color in PE10. I'm not familiar with setting/installing camera profiles, etc. What camera calibration setting should I be using in PE10?
Thanks!

You need to shoot raw+jpeg when using monochrome. The NEF will always capture RGB data.
You can of course convert the NEF to B&W in Camera Raw and Elements.

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Keiger wrote:
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(1)
Concerning the Calculation of the Color Gamut in a Digital Camera
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(2)
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I regret –it cannot be explained 'for the layman'.
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