Peculiar behaviour with pathfinder/apply stroke to group

Hello all!
Although I have lurked on this forum for a while, this is my first post, so apologies for any etiquette breach!
I've been using Illustrator (CS4/MacOSX) for a while, but every now and then it throws me a curve ball. Either that or I'm having a particularly gormless evening and failing to spot something obvious!
I hope posting images is ok, it'll help me explain my dilemma!
First question is this. Is it possible to outline a group - not each individual component, but the edge of a whole group? To achieve something like this 'sticker' effect:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b310/mewsie80/nana.gif
Which I had to go about a long-winded way and create a copy of the whole thing, use 'expand appearance' to expand out the strokes, then pathfinder to 'unite' into one shape, then apply a stroke to that and place it under the grouped leaves. Seems such a faff - and Illustrator is smarter than that, I'm sure.
What am I missing?!
Anyway - using my crazy work around, I am trying to do the same thing with this image of an axolotl:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b310/mewsie80/roscoe01.gif
Now - if I do the same as I did previously, to expand out the brush strokes (the red of the gills):
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b310/mewsie80/gills1.gif
Then use the 'unite' command in pathfinder, it seems to lose its definition and just do strange things to the shape:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b310/mewsie80/gills2.gif
So it sort of scuppers my work around! Can't think of a reason why this is the case - earlier on I was getting even stranger results that I couldn't replicate to show you.
I've even relaunched Illustrator, but still getting the same effect.
Anyway - thanks a million in advance for your help - hopefully you can point me in the right direction
Thanks folks,
Caroline

Caroline,
Is it possible to outline a group - not each individual component, but
the edge of a whole group? To achieve something like this 'sticker'
effect
You can fake it if you:
1) Select the group,
2) In the apearance palette/panel tick Add New Stroke,
3) Drag it down below the Contents in the (main) Appearance palette/panel.
Note that only the outer half of the added stroke shows behind the group (less if the objects are stroked).

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