Performance Problems: Power Mac 867 MHZ G4

I have a Power Mac 867 MHZ G4 with 1.12GB RAM. Going from Panther to Leopard REALLY HURTS performance. Programs launch slower and even MS Word typing characters echoes slower. Is this something that more memory would cure? THX.

Thanks Joe. That seems to have been the bottleneck. Now that Spotlight has finished indexing, the system actually runs ALMOST as fast as it did under Panther.

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Fan speed problem Power Mac G5 Dual 1.8 GHz PowerPC - please help

Please HELP, I have a fan speed problem with my Power Mac G5 Dual 1.8 GHz PowerPC
This is a NOT an Intel machine. I am running Mac OS X v10.5.8
Power Mac G5 - PowerMac 7,2 - Power PC 970 (2.2) - 1.8 GHz with 2 CPUs - L2 Cache (per CPU) 512 KB - Memory 8 GB - Bus Speed 900 MHz - Boot ROM version 5.1.5b1
I have included below Links to download a sound file (.m4a) that I recorded of the fan speed problem and both a .pdf and .spx files of my system profile.
download sound file
http://homepage.mac.com/rep3/filechute/myG5dualsFans.m4a
down load .spx file of my system preferences
http://homepage.mac.com/rep3/filechute/systemProfileREP3-G5dual.spx
down load .pdf file of my system preferences
http://homepage.mac.com/rep3/filechute/systemProfileREP3-G5dual.pdf
When did the fan problem start?
After I replaced the mother board on the computer.
Why did I replace the mother board?
Because the experts at apple agreed with my diagnosis that the major crash problems & kernel panics must have some thing to do with a logic board gone bad. They would not work on it, because this Power Mac G5 dual 1.8 GHz machine is now a legacy model.
What I have done to attempt to fix my fan speed problem? yes I checked the obvious things, here is a list:
1) yes I checked to be sure that the new mother board was the same part number as the original one, and that all things that were unplugged from the old mother board - were actually plugged into the new mother board.
2) all the fans work, I can see them spinning if I use a flashlight and look at them (cover on and off to get at some of them)
3) check all RAM to make sure: a) it was installed properly b) that the RAM worked using TechTool Pro c) even started the machine with only the original RAM that came with it.
4) I installed a Temperature monitor - to see if there was something reading as very hot inside that was causing the machine to continually run the fans at a high speed. No, no heat issues that I can see. Here are the reading from the sensors in degrees fahrenheit, 2009-10-11 16:11:01 -0500
CPU A Die Temperature: 75.7℉
CPU B Die Temperature: 81.5℉
Drive Bay: 68.9℉
Main Logic Board Air Inlet: 64.8℉
Main Logic Board Ambient: 73.6℉
Main Logic Board Backside: 76.3℉
Memory Controller Heatsink: 93.2℉
Processor Card A Ambient: 77.5℉
Processor Card B Ambient: 77.0℉
5) zapped the PRAM
6) followed the SMU reset instructions for
Power Mac G5 (Late 2004)
To reset the SMU on a Power Mac G5 (Late 2004) computer, simply do the following:
• Turn off the computer by selecting Shut Down from the Apple menu or by holding the power button until the computer turns off.
• Remove the power cord from the computer.
• Wait two minutes.
• Plug in the power cord.
• Turn on the computer.
7) followed the SMU reset instructions:
Resetting the Cuda/PMU
How to reset the PMU:
• If the computer is on, turn it off.
• Disconnect ALL cables from the computer, including peripherals and power.
• If possible, move the computer to a place where you are not standing on carpet.
• Open the case and ground yourself by touching part of the metal frame inside the computer.
• Find the Cuda or PMU button
• Press the Cuda or PMU button ONCE. Do not press the button more than once before starting the computer up again.
• Wait 10 seconds, then reconnect the cables you removed in step 2 and turn the computer on.
• If the computer still does not respond after resetting the PMU, the computer may require service from an Apple Authorized Service Provider.
8) ran disk utilities, repaired permissions
9) found a setting in the system preferences that a chat room person suggested had something to do with fan speed. In Energy Saver, under options, processor performance was set to highest, I set it to automatic - this did not change anything that I could tell - BTW I checked my other G5 (a single processor that works fine) that is the setting that that it is set to, and it is nice and quiet.
10) restarted the machine, ..
11) found a Fan Control System Update - but it did not install when I tryed to install it -
12) booted from OSX install disk and ran that disk utility
13) used OnyX to fix disk permissions, clear caches and temp items
Nope - still have the same high speed fan problem. ... PLEASE HELP!!
I have been reading in the MacInTouch reader reports - found this: some one said to use this - thermal re-calibration using the Apple Authorized Service Providers' disk - but that's not available, at least I can not find it - anyone? have an answer to finding this - or can do it for me? I am in Chicago.

The Genius at the downtown apple store said that because it's a "legacy machine" they would not work on it, .. so should I push them?
Well, I personally think that's ridiculous, I'd Push them, I'd call AppleCare & talk up the chain if need be... there the ones that have or should have that Disc... man o man... Personally I'll never visit an Apple Store again in my lifetime, maybe try an independent AASP if none of that helps!..
http://tinyurl.com/ykomqkn
Man-o-man, pop my cork before I explode on that one, if I had anything to do with it I'd close that store.

867 MHZ and OS X Leopard

I have a Mac Power PC 867 MHZ, 2M L3 Cache, 640 MB of SDRAM. I am currently running OS X 10.3.9. and would like to upgrade to OS X Leopard. Has anyone done this on their computer and did you run into any issues. I would like to upgrade my software next year and need to have the current OS X to do so. I do a lot of graphics work and run Quark, Adobe CS2, Word and Acrobate.
Any advice??????

Indybears wrote:
I have a Mac Power PC 867 MHZ, 2M L3 Cache, 640 MB of SDRAM. I am currently running OS X 10.3.9. and would like to upgrade to OS X Leopard. Has anyone done this on their computer and did you run into any issues. I would like to upgrade my software next year and need to have the current OS X to do so. I do a lot of graphics work and run Quark, Adobe CS2, Word and Acrobate.
Any advice??????
Welcome to Apple Discussions:
Leopard would install, but your RAM is very low. It should be maximized, esp. since your processor speed is so low and you use graphic-intensive apps. Even then it might run very sluggishly.
Also, many of those apps you list won't run under Leopard. They would probably have to be updated or replaced.

Upgrading Power Mac G3 from OS 8.5

I have an old Power Mac G3 that I purchased in 1999 along with the Adobe Creative Suite that was available then. What do I need to do to upgrade, so that, I can use my AOL internet dial-up without errors that do not support certain websites that I would like to visit and have better performance.
Power Mac G3 Mac OS 8.6 or Earlier

I have never used AOL so I don't know what the interface is like. I believe many years ago you pretty much had to run what they provided but that has probably relaxed now. Perhaps Sha2sha can tell us how open the service is to using other software.
Sha2sha can probably do some upgrades that will facilitate running newer browsers, for example simply by doing the free upgrade to OS 8.6. Anything beyond that (e.g., installing OS 9) and you start to have to spend money and you have to decide whether it's time to just do a major jump.
There's lots and lots of discussions out there on pre-OSX browsers so I suggest, Sha2sha, that you read the forum on OS 9 usage for suggestions. What browser are you using now? I've tried a number of these. Some of these newer ones such as Netscape 7 are more modern and may give you added functionality (though I have found Netscape 7 to be very unhappy on my G3). By running the most modern browsers available for pre-OSX you can probably access most sites. Still, I found that when I needed to buy an airline ticket recently that I had to go to the library and use one of their computers because none of my browsers provided the features the website required. There's no solution to that other than running the newest browsers. You can get around it to some extent by having many browsers and trying them all on a particular website until you find one that works, but you will come across sites where no old browser will work and then you're stuck. I guess some people have had success with a browser called iCab which is still supported for OS9 (but I don't know about OS 8.5). I found it to crash too often for me to want to keep but others seem happy with it.
I am solidly in the old-mac OS9 school myself. If you're Mac savvy then you can find work-arounds for many of the OS9 limitations, but for about 2% of the things I need to do there's nothing except to use OSX, and that percentage will only increase.
Brian

How do I connect/network my powerbook to my old power Mac?

I have an "old" Power Mac 500 MHZ G4, that I bought in 2000. It works okay aside from being slow.
I recently bought a new Power Book 1.67 GhZ.
I tried connecting the two computers via firewire, thinking I would be able to see each computer as an icon on the desktop the same way I see my external harddrives when I connect them up.
I'm hoping I would be able to manipulate things in my power mac using my keyboard on my laptop. I guess the main plan is to use the powermac as an external drive.
They don't seem to recognize each other. Is there anything I can do to make my computers get along? Did I pick the right category? Is this actually networking? Something tells me it should be easier than all this. Help appreciated!
Oh yeah! The Power Mac 500mhz, is running OS X 3.7, the Power Book is running OSX 4.8.

If you aren't already doing so, start up one computer with the T key held down, or use these instructions to set up a FireWire network.
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Network G4 Power Mac PCI and CRT imac

Hi every one,
I have just got my 2 computers networked with a Netgear RP614 wired router and the internet connection is working on both.
How can I get them both to communicate with each other as I need to transfer some items from imac to G4 Power Mac.
Thanks in advance for any answers.
Regards from England,
Alan
G4 Power Mac 400 mhz PCI 512 meg. ram 80 &10 gig Hard drives.Radion 9200 Mac OS X (10.3) indigo imac 350 slot loading + 256 mg Ram = 320. 6 gig hard drive OS 9.2.1

Hi Alan,
By "communicate" do you mean logging into one machine remotely from the other?
You can transfer file several different ways between your G4s. If the amount of data is large (10s of Gb), I'd recommend using firewire. For file transfer via firewire, you'll need a firewire cable to connect the firewire ports on the two machines together. Then, reboot the machine you want to transfer files from , holding down the "T" key. That machine will show up on the desktop of the second machine as a firewire device. Once you're done transferring files, simply drag the firewire device icon to the trash and shutdown the first machine.
If the amount of files to be transferred is small, you can use AFP (Apple File Protocol). To set AFP up, in System Preferences, under Sharing, on each machine, check the box next to "Personal File Sharing" and "Remote Apple Events". If you've not already done this, I'd turn on the Apple-supplied firewall rules, via System Preferences/Sharing/Firewall. Then reboot each machine in turn.
If one the Macs you're using is only running OS9.x, you'll also want to check the box "Allow events from Mac OS9" and click on "Set Password" to set a password. This password will be needed by "Chooser" on the OS9 machine to gain access to the OSX machine.
Then to connect from the OSX machine to the OS9 machine (for example), press Command-K (Connect-to-Server) to bring up a list of machines. Hopefully, the machine to want to connect to is listed. Select the desired machine, and click "Connect" and provide a user name and password, when prompted. Then select the "share", ie. user account on the remote hard drive to mount locally. A globe icon with the label of the "share" you mounted will appear on the local desktop. Then, away you go! To disconnect, just drag the globe icon to the trash.
Ed

Power Mac G4 sleep problem

Hello!
My G4 (mdd) won't go to sleep anymore. Neither on its own via energy saver nor when you press the power button or select sleep in the apple menu. Does anyone know what to do?
I already unplugged my USB devices, didn't help. Then I trashed my energy saver and bluetooth preferences and reset PRAM by pressing <commandoption+PR> at startup, no luck. I read all the previous posts about this issue and did everything they said, but it didn't help.
maybe someone has an additional suggestion.
Thank you!
David
Power Mac G4 (mdd) 867 dual Mac OS X (10.4.3)

A number of sleep-related issues can appear after incremental Mac OSX updates, including the inability to properly go to sleep, problems waking from sleep, and having your display go to sleep without your Mac going to sleep. The most common culprit is Bluetooth. Try these tips to fix your sleep problems.
WAKE UP
In System Preferences>Bluetooth, uncheck Allow Bluetooth Devices To Wake This Computer. If you are using a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard, you'll have to wake your Mac by pressing the power button.
FILE CORRUPTION
Your Bluetooth preference file may be corrupt-you'll need to delete it. Turn Bluetooth off, then go to the /Users/user name/Library/Preferences folder. Look for a file called com.apple.Bluetooth.plist and trash it.The OS will create a new preference file when you enable Bluetooth again.
ENERGY SAVER
If you have issues with a Mac or display that goes to sleep at inappropriate times, you may have a problem with Energy Saver. Delete the following .plist files and restart:
-/Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/com.apple.PowerManagement.plist
-/Users/username/Library/Preferences/com.apple.systemuiserver.plist--(username is your name or System Administrators name).
-/Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/com.apple.AutoWake.plist
A restart is very important after deleting these plists. After a reboot your Mac will then generate new ones.
In some cases, running MacOS X's cron tasks-maintenance that the OS performs automatically if you leave your Mac on 24 hours a day-can resolve many sleep problems. If you don't want to leave your Mac on, you can use MacJanitor, Yasu, or OnyX free at Versiontracker.com.
Some, in these forums, have had luck fixing sleep issues downloading the combo update from this site (yours may be corrupt), not Software Update, disconnect all firewire + USB devices except keyboard + mouse, Repair Permissions, re-install update, Repair Permissions again + try.
Yours would be the 10.3.9 combo update. Others here would use the one for their version.
Cheers!
DALE

Powermac Dual 867 MHz Power PC and internal hard drive

I was just sold a Samsung sp2514n internal hard drive- 250GB 7200RPM 8MB Cache.
The problem is that after I installed it- my computer would not boot up. All I got is a folder with a question mark.
When I took it out- it booted up normally.
Before I upgraded, I was told that it would work in my computer?
Is there something I'm not doing- that needs to be done- or is it incompatible with my computer?
Thanks,
Mike DiGiorgio
Dual 867 mhz power PC G4 Mac OS X (10.3.9)

See the drive jumper settings here:
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You do not want CD. That's limiting the capacity to less than 32GB.
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Can the PCU from a Power Mac G4 w/400 mhz be upgraded to something higher?

Hi Everyone,
I got a few questions that I've been trying to answer since I discovered that the CPU's in the power macs can be upgraded. I got a power mac g4 that I picked up at my local dump for $20. I use to be a standard dell man but once I got my hands on the power mac, I've been hooked. From what I've been reading in the forums, it may be possible to upgrade the cpu on my power mac. I have one slight problem though, I can't tell what model I have. From what I can gather, I may have a sawtooth model (AGP?) but, I'm not too sure. So my questions are as followIs:
1. Is their some type of marker on the Mac that can tell what model it is?
2. Once the model has been confirmed, can it's particular cpu be upgraded and if so, how high?
3. Besides adding more memory (she has 1.5 GB) is their anything else I can do to make her faster?
Well, any help that can be provided would be great!
-Rick
Bronx, NY
P.S. here's the hardware overview:
Machine Model: Power Mac G4
CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (2.9)
Number Of CPUs: 1
CPU Speed: 400 MHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 1 MB
Memory: 1.5 GB
Bus Speed: 100 MHz
Boot ROM Version: 4.2.8f1
Serial Number: XB0470QQJ3B
Sales Order Number: M7891LL/A

Hi-
1. Is their some type of marker on the Mac that can tell what model it is?
Based on the model number, here's your Mac:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermacg4/stats/powermac_g4_4002.html
It is a Gigabit Ethernet model.
The linked page lists many of the options that you have.
Further info is here:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3082?viewlocale=en_US
2. Once the model has been confirmed, can it's particular cpu be upgraded and if so, how high?
Processor wise, the GE also had a dual 450MHz and a dual 500MHz processor. These would be a plug and play upgrade.
You could also use a processor from a Quicksilver, by adding power to the 4th mount lug of the processor daughtercard.
These processors range from 733MHz to dual 1.0GHz.
More regarding that topic here:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=9354289
Most any aftermarket processor from old makers like Gigadesigns, FastMac, OWC and Powerlogix will work. Current makers of CPU upgrades from Newertech and Sonnet are also available.
Single processors are available up to 2.0GHz and duals up to 1.8GHz.
3. Besides adding more memory (she has 1.5 GB) is their anything else I can do to make her faster?
In OS 9, 1.5GB is the max RAM supported.
In OS X, 2GB is fully supported. 4x 512MB DIMMs are the max RAM supported.
A new hard drive (current ATA/IDE model) is always a great way to boost performance. Old drives are just that, and don't have the cache and other technological benefits that current drives do.
Graphics can also be boosted.
Find a PC version of a Radeon 9800 Pro and flash it to Mac ROM, or, buy a pre-flashed card on eBay in Apple Components.
The 9800 Pro is the top upgrade for 2x AGP graphics machines.
You can also add USB 2.0 support with a PCI card. Get any card that has the NEC chipset, and you are good to go.
Don't forget to get a later model optical drive.
Any Pioneer model will have the best native support in OS X.
In OS X versions lower than 10.4.9, use the appropriate Patchburn utility to get full burn support.
There are other possibilities, but this should get you started.

Powering ON/OFF Problems on a Power Mac G4 (Quicksilver Order M8360LL/A)

Hi G4 Specialists !
I have a major problem. @ First Model description:
Power Mac G4 (Quicksilver Order M8360LL/A)
System version : Mac OS X 10.4.8
Boot volume : Eclypse
Hardware Overview:
Machine speed : 867 MHz
Bus speed : 133 MHz
Number of processors : 1
L2 cache size : 256K
L3 cache size : 2MB
Machine model : Power Mac G4 (version = 2.1)
Boot ROM info : 4.2.3f1
Customer serial number : #######-###-####
Sales order number : Not available
Memory Overview:
Location Type Size
DIMM0/J21 SDRAM 128 MB
DIMM1/J22 SDRAM 256 MB
DIMM2/J23 SDRAM 256 MB
DIMM3/J24 empty
Network Overview:
Built-in:
Devices and Volumes
PCI:
SLOT-1(AGP):
Card Type : display
Card Name : NVDA,NVMac
Card Model : GeForce2 MX
Card (Video) Memory : 32 MB
Hard Drive:
Disk Size : 57.26 GB (1K = 1024) 62 GB (1K = 1000)
Unit Number : 0
ATA Device Type : ata
Device Serial : #######-###-####
Device Revision : ER6OA44A
Device Model : IBM-IC35L060AVER07-0
Eclypse:
Volume Size : 57.26 GB (1K = 1024) 62 GB (1K = 1000)
Ejectable : No
Writable : Yes
Hard Drive:
Disk Size : 37.27 GB (1K = 1024) 41 GB (1K = 1000)
Unit Number : 1
ATA Device Type : ata
Device Serial : WD-WMAD11234827
Device Revision : 05.03E05
Device Model : WDC WD400BB-00DEA0
CD-RW/DVD-R:
Disc Burning : Fully supported.
ATA Device Type : atapi
Device Revision : 1.90
Product Identification : DVD-RW DVR-103
Vendor Identification : PIONEER
Now the Problem:
in the last time I ear that the G4 after clicking on the Login Window on SLEEP is often gone to shutdown. The last week I made this check and the G4 gone to shutdown and after x seconds again ON without external intervention. Was this not a real shutdown (the light on the Power button was NOT PULSING)
What I have just done:
I resetted trought booting + OF all Boot parameters, I made the CUDA reset, I bought a new PMU Battery and now (all disconnected also the HDs) when I push the Power Botton the Fan TRIES to go but after a microsecond is cutted off power. The last time, while trying to take care of my G4, that it had made a little of work was tonight WHITOUT PMU/Battery I made login, I have seen that THE DATE WAS RIGHT (without PMU-Battery !!!) I just choose the right Display Conf, then I started DiskUtility first CHECK Disk and then I was looking for solutions @apple Support on another machine PUFF the G4 has gone OFF and ON and OFF than I unplugged the POWER cable.
Now I don t know any more, suggestions ?
Massimo
G4 QuickSilver 867, G4 PB 867, Classic Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Massimo,
I'm having a bit of a problem with the translation. I think what you're saying is that when you attempt startup, the Mac initially gets only a momentary bit of power, with the red LED lighting briefly, then shutting off, after which nothing happens. Occasionally, the Mac starts to the point where the hard drives begin to spin up, but then they, too, shut down. You would like to try booting to the install disc with the drives disconnected, but can't get far enough along in the startup process to open the optical drive tray.
If what I've said above is correct, you can open your optical drive tray manually. Use a fingernail to open the dust cover of the optical drive and look for a tiny hole on the face of the drive below the tray. If you insert a paperclip straight into this hole and push it firmly, the drive tray will begin to eject. When it comes out far enough to grasp with your fingers, pull it out to extend it fully. Insert the disc and manually push the tray back in. Boot to disc by depressing the "c" key at startup and holding it down until the turning grey cog wheel appears.
To attempt to get the Mac to start, perhaps you should try completely de-energizing and resetting it. Try this, (just leave your hard drives disconnected):
Disconnect everything externally except the power cord.
Touch your finger to a metal slot cover on the back of the Mac as a static discharge precaution, then disconnect the power cord.
Remove the battery.
Depress and hold the front power button for a five-count.
Fully depress the PMU for a five-count.
Take a thirty-minute break to insure that the internal capacitors are completely discharged.
Reconnect the power cord, monitor, keyboard, and mouse, leaving the battery out.
Attempt startup to the install disc.
Any luck? If so, reinsert the battery, connect the hard drives and boot to disc, launching Disk Utility and running Repair Disk and Repair Permissions. Check the Startup Disk option in the Installer menubar to insure the OS X system on your startup drive is still selected. Then quit the Installer to restart normally to the hard drive. If successful, you can then check the preference files for sleep-wake problem that it seems you were having, if I understood correctly.
BTW - When you get stuck in a situation where the Mac won't respond and you have difficulty powering down, try to avoid pulling the power plug, which can corrupt your files and drive directory if the drive is writing data. Instead, try the restart button if you have to force a complete shutdown. If that fails to work after holding it in for a few seconds, then try the power button. If it still won't power down after holding in the power button, then release it and immediately depress the restart button, which usually works. Pull the power plug on a running Mac only as a last resort. In any event, after any sudden shutdown, it's prudent practice to initially boot back to your Tiger install disc and run Repair Disk on the startup volume. If it isn't handy, then boot to Safe Mode by depressing the shift key at the next startup, which will force a file system check of the startup volume, which is like running Repair Disk without being able to see the results. Another way is to boot to single-user mode (depress & hold cmd+"s" at startup) and run fsck, where you'll be able to see the results of the drive repair.
Gary
1GHz DP G4 Quicksilver 2002, 400MHz B&W rev.2 G3, Mac SE30 Mac OS X (10.4.5) 5G iPod, Epson 2200 & R300 & LW Select 360 Printers, Epson 3200 Scanner

Upgrading 1.8 MHz Power Mac G5 (memory and OS)

I recently purchased an iMac loaded with Leopard. I would like to use the install disk to upgrade my older Power Mac G5. My machine is running 10.3.9 currently.
I know I need to increase memory, but by how much? A salesman sold me additional memory some time ago, but it caused a lot of problems and I removed it. Now I'm leery of what to buy. Will the following memory description be appropriate, both in type and quantity to run Leopard?
1GB PC3200 DDR 400MHz Module For PowerMac G5 Models(requires pairs!), iMac G5, Mac mini 1.25GHz/1.42GHz Models. TRUE PC3200 CAS 3.0(or Faster) Non-Stacked 64x8 device Low-Noise PCB Solution! New, Lifetime Advance Replacement Warranty. (OWC3200DDR1024)
My Power Mac's memory currently consists of 2-128MB DDR SDRAM PC3200U-30330.
I'm application-oriented and not too technically savvy.

The G5s came stock with 256MB 6 yrs ago but even then it was sub-standard amount and 1.2 - 1.5GB RAM was much better for even basic light use.
2GB should be a good improvement, you have 4 DIMM slots likely. But it depends on what you plan to do or use it for. Buy from vendors that sell and cater to Mac hardware.
OEM DVDs like from an iMac can't be used, they don't load sometimes, and you really do need retail discs. Good luck finding 10.5.x DVD retail.
New drives can also do a lot to improve performance.
Realize though, other than running older PowerPC applications, the iMac should be able to do most things very well.

Power Mac G4 & OS 9 Problem...can use some help!

I have a Power Mac G4 with an OS 9 operating system that is around ten years old. It has been reliable over the years until now. This morning, I started my G4 and everything was like any other day. The OS 9 window appeared and after the extensions folder icons finished loading on the bottom on the screen, a new window came up afterward, telling me that the 'Time Sychronizer' error #41 existed and to restart. I rebooted and again the same thing happened. I tried one more time and the same thing happened.
Next, I figured I would by-pass the extensions folder, and I restarted with the shift key down. The OS 9 window did display itself along with it telling me that the extensions folder was 'off.' To my surprise, the error window came up again, telling me that there was an error #41 and to restart. I have been in this loop all morning and I can't get out. Even if I had to reinstall the a new operating system...how do I by-pass the the aforementioned loop within my computer to get to the installation information, etc.
Can anyone tell me what is going on? What can I do? Can it be fixed? Is it a major problem or, a simple one the can be resolved? Any answers out there? Help!!!!!
Thanks,
HJ

Hi, HJ -
Error #41 is a somewhat generic one, usually indicating that the OS itself is damaged. This Apple KBase article addresses that -
Article #TS2207 - Mac OS: Error Type 41
The solution given is to re-install just the Core OS files. In order to do that iou will need to use an OS 9 Install CD valid for that machine, and of a version equal to the installed OS 9 version.
Boot to the CD, run the installer - when you select your hard drive and click okay, you'll be asked what you want to do - click Reinstall. On the last page of the installer, the page with the Start button, click the Customize button.
On the new page, uncheck everything (make sure they have neither checks nor dashes) except Mac OS 9.x; to the right of it is a pulldown menu, preset at Recommended Installation - select Customized Installation from that.
In the new window, uncheck everything except the first item, Core System Software - again, make sure none of the other boxes have checks or dashes. Click Okay, click Start. That will re-install the System, Finder, other basic OS files, and nothing else.
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Even if I had to reinstall the a new operating system...how do I by-pass the the aforementioned loop within my computer to get to the installation information, etc.
In order to do a re-install (Core System or complete) you will need to boot the machine to an appropriate CD.
When you boot the machine to a CD, the OS on the CD is running the machine. This means that nothing on the hard drive is in use, including any damaged files. This is one of the primary virtues of retaining install disks - they allow the machine to be booted, and usually repaired, regardless of the state of health of the OS on the hard drive.
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If you do not have an OS 9 Install CD of a version equal to that of the installed OS 9, you will need to re-install the complete OS. The easiest way to do that is to use the Software Install CD that came with the machine, or a later version retail OS 9 Install CD. Boot to that CD, and on the page where you select the destination drive click the Options button. On the new page checkmark the Clean Installation option, okay the page, continue the installation.
Note that with OS 9 a Clean Install will not remove anything - it will install a brand new System Folder and do little else.
Article #TA43881 - Mac OS 8, Mac OS 9: Performing a Clean Installation
A Software Restore CD can not be used to do a Clean Install, and, if appropriate care is not taken, can result in the loss of data on the hard drive.

I have a big problem of frequent shutdown on my power mac

Hallo to everyone.
I have this problem of shutdwon of my power mac that often happens during an internet session.
ANother crazy thing is that soemtimes it sends to my two monitors not both of the wallpapers but only one.
Can someone help me?
Thank you!
This is the report
Interval Since Last Panic Report: 296560 sec
Panics Since Last Report:          1
Anonymous UUID:                    92FD504D-0AC6-0825-8841-BF96D8430CF2
Mon Nov 26 16:13:12 2012
panic(cpu 8 caller 0xffffff8005a51c07): "IOGMD: not wired for the IODMACommand"@/SourceCache/xnu/xnu-2050.18.24/iokit/Kernel/IOMemoryDescriptor.c pp:1424
Backtrace (CPU 8), Frame : Return Address
0xffffff81d6a32d90 : 0xffffff800561d626
0xffffff81d6a32e00 : 0xffffff8005a51c07
0xffffff81d6a32e90 : 0xffffff8005a4c9de
0xffffff81d6a32f40 : 0xffffff8005a4d60a
0xffffff81d6a32f60 : 0xffffff7f85d25a44
0xffffff81d6a32fd0 : 0xffffff7f85d8fd85
0xffffff81d6a33020 : 0xffffff7f85d8feaf
0xffffff81d6a33070 : 0xffffff7f85d75515
0xffffff81d6a330f0 : 0xffffff7f85d73815
0xffffff81d6a33130 : 0xffffff7f85d62083
0xffffff81d6a331e0 : 0xffffff7f85d8c177
0xffffff81d6a333d0 : 0xffffff7f85d8d1d8
0xffffff81d6a334a0 : 0xffffff7f86bc2419
0xffffff81d6a335e0 : 0xffffff7f86bc1efe
0xffffff81d6a335f0 : 0xffffff7f86b99cfb
0xffffff81d6a33600 : 0xffffff7f86b70580
0xffffff81d6a33640 : 0xffffff7f86b72cc8
0xffffff81d6a33670 : 0xffffff7f86bd51c4
0xffffff81d6a336f0 : 0xffffff7f86bd5633
0xffffff81d6a33770 : 0xffffff7f86bb9b4a
0xffffff81d6a337d0 : 0xffffff7f86bba415
0xffffff81d6a33820 : 0xffffff7f86bba98c
0xffffff81d6a338c0 : 0xffffff7f86bbb239
0xffffff81d6a33900 : 0xffffff7f86b76e81
0xffffff81d6a33a80 : 0xffffff7f86bb77fe
0xffffff81d6a33b40 : 0xffffff7f86b7598a
0xffffff81d6a33ba0 : 0xffffff8005a65bc9
0xffffff81d6a33bc0 : 0xffffff8005a67170
0xffffff81d6a33c20 : 0xffffff8005a64b8f
0xffffff81d6a33d70 : 0xffffff80056981e1
0xffffff81d6a33e80 : 0xffffff8005620aed
0xffffff81d6a33eb0 : 0xffffff8005610448
0xffffff81d6a33f00 : 0xffffff800561961b
0xffffff81d6a33f70 : 0xffffff80056a5b16
0xffffff81d6a33fb0 : 0xffffff80056ced53
     Kernel Extensions in backtrace:
        com.apple.NVDAResman(8.0)[A4C53A36-22B6-3075-82B9-9DE612A9C015]@0xffffff7f85d1f 000->0xffffff7f86021fff
           dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.7.2)[B1B77B26-7984-302F-BA8E-544DD3D75E73]@0xffff ff7f85c8d000
           dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport(2.3.5)[86DDB71C-A73A-3EBE-AC44-0BC9A38B9A44]@0xff ffff7f85d0b000
           dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(2.3.5)[803496D0-ADAD-3ADB-B071-8A0A197DA53D]@0 xffffff7f85cc8000
        com.apple.GeForce(8.0)[2E56ED9A-D848-3795-9E52-56BABDC9000C]@0xffffff7f86b69000 ->0xffffff7f86c2bfff
           dependency: com.apple.NVDAResman(8.0.0)[A4C53A36-22B6-3075-82B9-9DE612A9C015]@0xffffff7f85d 1f000
           dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport(2.3.5)[86DDB71C-A73A-3EBE-AC44-0BC9A38B9A44]@0xff ffff7f85d0b000
           dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.7.2)[B1B77B26-7984-302F-BA8E-544DD3D75E73]@0xffff ff7f85c8d000
           dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(2.3.5)[803496D0-ADAD-3ADB-B071-8A0A197DA53D]@0 xffffff7f85cc8000
BSD process name corresponding to current thread: WebProcess
Mac OS version:
12C60
Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 12.2.0: Sat Aug 25 00:48:52 PDT 2012; root:xnu-2050.18.24~1/RELEASE_X86_64
Kernel UUID: 69A5853F-375A-3EF4-9247-478FD0247333
Kernel slide:     0x0000000005400000
Kernel text base: 0xffffff8005600000
System model name: MacPro4,1 (Mac-F221BEC8)
System uptime in nanoseconds: 24287201290675
last loaded kext at 19090522041614: com.apple.driver.AppleUSBCDC          4.1.22 (addr 0xffffff7f875f0000, size 16384)
last unloaded kext at 19220463619815: com.apple.driver.AppleUSBCDC          4.1.22 (addr 0xffffff7f875f0000, size 12288)
loaded kexts:
com.logmein.driver.LogMeInSoundDriver          1.0.0
com.apple.driver.Oxford_Semi          3.1.0
com.apple.filesystems.smbfs          1.8
com.apple.driver.AppleHWSensor          1.9.5d0
com.apple.driver.AppleBluetoothMultitouch          75.15
com.apple.iokit.IOBluetoothSerialManager          4.0.9f33
com.apple.filesystems.autofs          3.0
com.apple.driver.AppleTyMCEDriver          1.0.2d2
com.apple.driver.AGPM          100.12.69
com.apple.driver.AppleMikeyHIDDriver          122
com.apple.driver.AudioAUUC          1.60
com.apple.driver.AppleHDA          2.3.1f2
com.apple.driver.AppleUpstreamUserClient          3.5.10
com.apple.driver.AppleMCCSControl          1.0.33
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBDisplays          353
com.apple.iokit.IOUserEthernet          1.0.0d1
com.apple.iokit.BroadcomBluetoothHCIControllerUSBTransport          4.0.9f33
com.apple.driver.AppleMikeyDriver          2.3.1f2
com.apple.GeForce          8.0.0
com.apple.Dont_Steal_Mac_OS_X          7.0.0
com.apple.driver.AppleLPC          1.6.0
com.apple.driver.ApplePolicyControl          3.2.11
com.apple.driver.ACPI_SMC_PlatformPlugin          1.0.0
com.apple.iokit.SCSITaskUserClient          3.5.1
com.apple.driver.XsanFilter          404
com.apple.iokit.IOAHCIBlockStorage          2.2.2
com.apple.driver.AppleFWOHCI          4.9.6
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBHub          5.2.5
com.apple.AppleFSCompression.AppleFSCompressionTypeDataless          1.0.0d1
com.apple.AppleFSCompression.AppleFSCompressionTypeZlib          1.0.0d1
com.apple.BootCache          34
com.apple.driver.Intel82574L          2.3.0b4
com.apple.driver.AppleAHCIPort          2.4.1
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBEHCI          5.4.0
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBUHCI          5.2.5
com.apple.driver.AppleEFINVRAM          1.6.1
com.apple.driver.AppleRTC          1.5
com.apple.driver.AppleHPET          1.7
com.apple.driver.AppleACPIButtons          1.6
com.apple.driver.AppleSMBIOS          1.9
com.apple.driver.AppleACPIEC          1.6
com.apple.driver.AppleAPIC          1.6
com.apple.driver.AppleIntelCPUPowerManagementClient          196.0.0
com.apple.nke.applicationfirewall          4.0.39
com.apple.security.quarantine          2
com.apple.driver.AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement          196.0.0
com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIBlockCommandsDevice          3.5.1
com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireSerialBusProtocolTransport          2.1.1
com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireSBP2          4.2.0
com.apple.driver.IOBluetoothHIDDriver          4.0.9f33
com.apple.driver.AppleMultitouchDriver          235.28
com.apple.iokit.IOSerialFamily          10.0.6
com.apple.kext.triggers          1.0
com.apple.driver.DspFuncLib          2.3.1f2
com.apple.iokit.IOAudioFamily          1.8.9fc10
com.apple.kext.OSvKernDSPLib          1.6
com.apple.iokit.IOSurface          86.0.3
com.apple.iokit.AppleBluetoothHCIControllerUSBTransport          4.0.9f33
com.apple.iokit.IOBluetoothFamily          4.0.9f33
com.apple.driver.AppleSMBusController          1.0.10d0
com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireIP          2.2.5
com.apple.driver.AppleHDAController          2.3.1f2
com.apple.iokit.IOHDAFamily          2.3.1f2
com.apple.driver.AppleSMBusPCI          1.0.10d0
com.apple.nvidia.nv50hal          8.0.0
com.apple.NVDAResman          8.0.0
com.apple.driver.AppleGraphicsControl          3.2.11
com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport          2.3.5
com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily          2.3.5
com.apple.driver.AppleSMC          3.1.4d2
com.apple.driver.IOPlatformPluginLegacy          1.0.0
com.apple.driver.IOPlatformPluginFamily          5.2.0d16
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBHIDKeyboard          165.5
com.apple.driver.AppleHIDKeyboard          165.5
com.apple.iokit.IOUSBHIDDriver          5.2.5
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBMergeNub          5.2.5
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBComposite          5.2.5
com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIMultimediaCommandsDevice          3.5.1
com.apple.iokit.IOBDStorageFamily          1.7
com.apple.iokit.IODVDStorageFamily          1.7.1
com.apple.iokit.IOCDStorageFamily          1.7.1
com.apple.iokit.IOAHCISerialATAPI          2.5.0
com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIArchitectureModelFamily          3.5.1
com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireFamily          4.5.5
com.apple.iokit.IOUSBUserClient          5.2.5
com.apple.iokit.IONetworkingFamily          3.0
com.apple.iokit.IOAHCIFamily          2.2.1
com.apple.iokit.IOUSBFamily          5.4.0
com.apple.driver.AppleEFIRuntime          1.6.1
com.apple.iokit.IOHIDFamily          1.8.0
com.apple.iokit.IOSMBusFamily          1.1
com.apple.security.sandbox          220
com.apple.kext.AppleMatch          1.0.0d1
com.apple.security.TMSafetyNet          7
com.apple.driver.DiskImages          344
com.apple.iokit.IOStorageFamily          1.8
com.apple.driver.AppleKeyStore          28.21
com.apple.driver.AppleACPIPlatform          1.6
com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily          2.7.2
com.apple.iokit.IOACPIFamily          1.4
com.apple.kec.corecrypto          1.0

new shotdown
Interval Since Last Panic Report: 306887 sec
Panics Since Last Report:          3
Anonymous UUID:                    92FD504D-0AC6-0825-8841-BF96D8430CF2
Tue Nov 27 13:33:29 2012
panic(cpu 2 caller 0xffffff8013e51c07): "IOGMD: not wired for the IODMACommand"@/SourceCache/xnu/xnu-2050.18.24/iokit/Kernel/IOMemoryDescriptor.c pp:1424
Backtrace (CPU 2), Frame : Return Address
0xffffff81e3e5b500 : 0xffffff8013a1d626
0xffffff81e3e5b570 : 0xffffff8013e51c07
0xffffff81e3e5b600 : 0xffffff8013e4c9de
0xffffff81e3e5b6b0 : 0xffffff8013e4d60a
0xffffff81e3e5b6d0 : 0xffffff7f94125a44
0xffffff81e3e5b740 : 0xffffff7f9418fd85
0xffffff81e3e5b790 : 0xffffff7f9418feaf
0xffffff81e3e5b7e0 : 0xffffff7f94175515
0xffffff81e3e5b860 : 0xffffff7f94173815
0xffffff81e3e5b8a0 : 0xffffff7f94162083
0xffffff81e3e5b950 : 0xffffff7f9418c177
0xffffff81e3e5bb40 : 0xffffff7f9418d1d8
0xffffff81e3e5bc10 : 0xffffff7f94fc2419
0xffffff81e3e5bd50 : 0xffffff7f94fc1efe
0xffffff81e3e5bd60 : 0xffffff7f94f99cfb
0xffffff81e3e5bd70 : 0xffffff7f94f70580
0xffffff81e3e5bdb0 : 0xffffff7f94f6edc2
0xffffff81e3e5bde0 : 0xffffff7f94f72eef
0xffffff81e3e5be00 : 0xffffff7f94b922a4
0xffffff81e3e5be20 : 0xffffff7f94b92237
0xffffff81e3e5be50 : 0xffffff7f94f8a8ac
0xffffff81e3e5be80 : 0xffffff7f94f6f506
0xffffff81e3e5bed0 : 0xffffff7f94f6d4c7
0xffffff81e3e5bef0 : 0xffffff8013e472a8
0xffffff81e3e5bf30 : 0xffffff8013e45daa
0xffffff81e3e5bf80 : 0xffffff8013e45ed9
0xffffff81e3e5bfb0 : 0xffffff8013ab26b7
      Kernel Extensions in backtrace:
         com.apple.NVDAResman(8.0)[A4C53A36-22B6-3075-82B9-9DE612A9C015]@0xffffff7f9411f 000->0xffffff7f94421fff
            dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.7.2)[B1B77B26-7984-302F-BA8E-544DD3D75E73]@0xffff ff7f9408d000
            dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport(2.3.5)[86DDB71C-A73A-3EBE-AC44-0BC9A38B9A44]@0xff ffff7f9410b000
            dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(2.3.5)[803496D0-ADAD-3ADB-B071-8A0A197DA53D]@0 xffffff7f940c8000
         com.apple.GeForce(8.0)[2E56ED9A-D848-3795-9E52-56BABDC9000C]@0xffffff7f94f69000 ->0xffffff7f9502bfff
            dependency: com.apple.NVDAResman(8.0.0)[A4C53A36-22B6-3075-82B9-9DE612A9C015]@0xffffff7f941 1f000
            dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport(2.3.5)[86DDB71C-A73A-3EBE-AC44-0BC9A38B9A44]@0xff ffff7f9410b000
            dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.7.2)[B1B77B26-7984-302F-BA8E-544DD3D75E73]@0xffff ff7f9408d000
            dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(2.3.5)[803496D0-ADAD-3ADB-B071-8A0A197DA53D]@0 xffffff7f940c8000
         com.apple.iokit.IOSurface(86.0.3)[578CEAAD-1465-3B29-B34F-09586288ED88]@0xfffff f7f94b8e000->0xffffff7f94b9ffff
BSD process name corresponding to current thread: kernel_task
Mac OS version:
12C60
Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 12.2.0: Sat Aug 25 00:48:52 PDT 2012; root:xnu-2050.18.24~1/RELEASE_X86_64
Kernel UUID: 69A5853F-375A-3EF4-9247-478FD0247333
Kernel slide:     0x0000000013800000
Kernel text base: 0xffffff8013a00000
System model name: MacPro4,1 (Mac-F221BEC8)
System uptime in nanoseconds: 8585274988278
last loaded kext at 347651111280: com.apple.filesystems.smbfs          1.8 (addr 0xffffff7f959ab000, size 229376)
last unloaded kext at 333653013867: com.apple.driver.AppleIntel8254XEthernet          3.1.1b1 (addr 0xffffff7f94c75000, size 69632)
loaded kexts:
com.logmein.driver.LogMeInSoundDriver          1.0.0
com.apple.filesystems.smbfs          1.8
com.apple.driver.AppleHWSensor          1.9.5d0
com.apple.driver.AppleBluetoothMultitouch          75.15
com.apple.driver.AppleTyMCEDriver          1.0.2d2
com.apple.driver.AGPM          100.12.69
com.apple.filesystems.autofs          3.0
com.apple.driver.AppleMikeyHIDDriver          122
com.apple.driver.AudioAUUC          1.60
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBDisplays          353
com.apple.driver.AppleHDA          2.3.1f2
com.apple.driver.AppleUpstreamUserClient          3.5.10
com.apple.driver.AppleMCCSControl          1.0.33
com.apple.iokit.IOUserEthernet          1.0.0d1
com.apple.driver.AppleMikeyDriver          2.3.1f2
com.apple.iokit.IOBluetoothSerialManager          4.0.9f33
com.apple.GeForce          8.0.0
com.apple.iokit.BroadcomBluetoothHCIControllerUSBTransport          4.0.9f33
com.apple.Dont_Steal_Mac_OS_X          7.0.0
com.apple.driver.AppleLPC          1.6.0
com.apple.driver.ApplePolicyControl          3.2.11
com.apple.driver.ACPI_SMC_PlatformPlugin          1.0.0
com.apple.driver.Oxford_Semi          3.1.0
com.apple.iokit.SCSITaskUserClient          3.5.1
com.apple.driver.XsanFilter          404
com.apple.iokit.IOAHCIBlockStorage          2.2.2
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBHub          5.2.5
com.apple.AppleFSCompression.AppleFSCompressionTypeDataless          1.0.0d1
com.apple.AppleFSCompression.AppleFSCompressionTypeZlib          1.0.0d1
com.apple.BootCache          34
com.apple.driver.AppleFWOHCI          4.9.6
com.apple.driver.Intel82574L          2.3.0b4
com.apple.driver.AppleAHCIPort          2.4.1
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBEHCI          5.4.0
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBUHCI          5.2.5
com.apple.driver.AppleEFINVRAM          1.6.1
com.apple.driver.AppleRTC          1.5
com.apple.driver.AppleHPET          1.7
com.apple.driver.AppleACPIButtons          1.6
com.apple.driver.AppleSMBIOS          1.9
com.apple.driver.AppleACPIEC          1.6
com.apple.driver.AppleAPIC          1.6
com.apple.driver.AppleIntelCPUPowerManagementClient          196.0.0
com.apple.nke.applicationfirewall          4.0.39
com.apple.security.quarantine          2
com.apple.driver.AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement          196.0.0
com.apple.driver.IOBluetoothHIDDriver          4.0.9f33
com.apple.driver.AppleMultitouchDriver          235.28
com.apple.kext.triggers          1.0
com.apple.driver.DspFuncLib          2.3.1f2
com.apple.iokit.IOAudioFamily          1.8.9fc10
com.apple.kext.OSvKernDSPLib          1.6
com.apple.iokit.IOSurface          86.0.3
com.apple.iokit.IOSerialFamily          10.0.6
com.apple.driver.AppleSMBusController          1.0.10d0
com.apple.iokit.IOBluetoothFamily          4.0.9f33
com.apple.iokit.AppleBluetoothHCIControllerUSBTransport          4.0.9f33
com.apple.driver.AppleSMBusPCI          1.0.10d0
com.apple.driver.AppleHDAController          2.3.1f2
com.apple.iokit.IOHDAFamily          2.3.1f2
com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireIP          2.2.5
com.apple.nvidia.nv50hal          8.0.0
com.apple.NVDAResman          8.0.0
com.apple.driver.AppleGraphicsControl          3.2.11
com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport          2.3.5
com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily          2.3.5
com.apple.driver.AppleSMC          3.1.4d2
com.apple.driver.IOPlatformPluginLegacy          1.0.0
com.apple.driver.IOPlatformPluginFamily          5.2.0d16
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBHIDKeyboard          165.5
com.apple.driver.AppleHIDKeyboard          165.5
com.apple.iokit.IOUSBHIDDriver          5.2.5
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBMergeNub          5.2.5
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBComposite          5.2.5
com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIBlockCommandsDevice          3.5.1
com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireSerialBusProtocolTransport          2.1.1
com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireSBP2          4.2.0
com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIMultimediaCommandsDevice          3.5.1
com.apple.iokit.IOBDStorageFamily          1.7
com.apple.iokit.IODVDStorageFamily          1.7.1
com.apple.iokit.IOCDStorageFamily          1.7.1
com.apple.iokit.IOAHCISerialATAPI          2.5.0
com.apple.iokit.IOSCSIArchitectureModelFamily          3.5.1
com.apple.iokit.IOUSBUserClient          5.2.5
com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireFamily          4.5.5
com.apple.iokit.IONetworkingFamily          3.0
com.apple.iokit.IOAHCIFamily          2.2.1
com.apple.iokit.IOUSBFamily          5.4.0
com.apple.driver.AppleEFIRuntime          1.6.1
com.apple.iokit.IOHIDFamily          1.8.0
com.apple.iokit.IOSMBusFamily          1.1
com.apple.security.sandbox          220
com.apple.kext.AppleMatch          1.0.0d1
com.apple.security.TMSafetyNet          7
com.apple.driver.DiskImages          344
com.apple.iokit.IOStorageFamily          1.8
com.apple.driver.AppleKeyStore          28.21
com.apple.driver.AppleACPIPlatform          1.6
com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily          2.7.2
com.apple.iokit.IOACPIFamily          1.4
com.apple.kec.corecrypto          1.0
Model: MacPro4,1, BootROM MP41.0081.B07, 8 processors, Quad-Core Intel Xeon, 2.26 GHz, 16 GB, SMC 1.39f5
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GT 120, NVIDIA GeForce GT 120, PCIe, 512 MB
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GT 120, NVIDIA GeForce GT 120, PCIe, 512 MB
Memory Module: DIMM 1, 2 GB, DDR3 ECC, 1066 MHz, 0x830B, 0x4D3246324737324342385041304E2D424520
Memory Module: DIMM 2, 2 GB, DDR3 ECC, 1066 MHz, 0x830B, 0x4D3246324737324342385041304E2D424520
Memory Module: DIMM 3, 2 GB, DDR3 ECC, 1066 MHz, 0x830B, 0x4D3246324737324342385041304E2D424520
Memory Module: DIMM 4, 2 GB, DDR3 ECC, 1066 MHz, 0x830B, 0x4D3246324737324342385041304E2D424520
Memory Module: DIMM 5, 2 GB, DDR3 ECC, 1066 MHz, 0x830B, 0x4D3246324737324342385041304E2D424520
Memory Module: DIMM 6, 2 GB, DDR3 ECC, 1066 MHz, 0x830B, 0x4D3246324737324342385041304E2D424520
Memory Module: DIMM 7, 2 GB, DDR3 ECC, 1066 MHz, 0x830B, 0x4D3246324737324342385041304E2D424520
Memory Module: DIMM 8, 2 GB, DDR3 ECC, 1066 MHz, 0x830B, 0x4D3246324737324342385041304E2D424520
Bluetooth: Version 4.0.9f33 10885, 2 service, 18 devices, 1 incoming serial ports
Network Service: Ethernet 1, Ethernet, en0
PCI Card: NVIDIA GeForce GT 120, sppci_displaycontroller, Slot-1
PCI Card: NVIDIA GeForce GT 120, sppci_displaycontroller, Slot-2
Serial ATA Device: HL-DT-ST DVD-RW GH41N
Serial ATA Device: Hitachi HDT721010SLA360, 1 TB
Serial ATA Device: Hitachi HUA722010CLA330, 1 TB
Serial ATA Device: Hitachi HCS721010CLA332, 1 TB
Serial ATA Device: WDC WD6400AAKS-41H2B0, 640,14 GB
USB Device: hub_device, 0x04cc (Philips Semiconductors), 0x1521, 0xfa200000 / 2
USB Device: hub_device, apple_vendor_id, 0x9131, 0xfd300000 / 2
USB Device: Keyboard Hub, apple_vendor_id, 0x1006, 0xfd330000 / 4
USB Device: Apple Keyboard, apple_vendor_id, 0x0221, 0xfd332000 / 5
USB Device: Apple Cinema HD Display, apple_vendor_id, 0x9223, 0xfd320000 / 3
USB Device: BRCM2046 Hub, 0x0a5c (Broadcom Corp.), 0x4500, 0x5a100000 / 2
USB Device: Bluetooth USB Host Controller, apple_vendor_id, 0x8215, 0x5a110000 / 3
FireWire Device: built-in_hub, 800mbit_speed
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Power Mac G4 (867) Upgrade - DP or SP? And more RAM?

I only want to do this once, and would like to get it right first time.
Because price is an object. (I'd love to get a G5, but it's out of the question).
So if you can spare the time to offer some advise I'd be most grateful.
I have a PowerMac G4 867 (Quicksilver) with 1.12Gb SDRAM currently running OS 10.5.2.
(And it runs quiet well, but needs a little bit more "grunt").
Model Name: Power Mac G4
Model Identifier: PowerMac3,5
Processor Name: PowerPC G4 (2.1)
Processor Speed: 867 MHz
Number Of CPUs: 1
L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB
L3 Cache (per CPU): 2 MB
Memory: 1.12 GB
Bus Speed: 133 MHz
Boot ROM Version: 4.2.5f1
I'm considering either a:
*FastMac Motorola G4 7455 @ 1.53 Ghz Single Processor* (Model: APP-6216)
or a:
*FastMac Motorola G4 7455 @ 1.4 Ghz Dual Processor* (Model: APP-6280).
(I've checked and my 867 will accept a dual upgrade).
There's a price difference of US$150.00 or AUD$164.95 between the 2 options.
+The specs for the 1.53 says that it "Operates @1.5Ghz on a 100Mhz System Bus".+
+Would having a 133 Mhz Bus mean it operates better?+
As I understand it a dual processor is only really benefical if the software you're using is designed to take advantage of two processors, otherwise it just uses the one. So is there an advantage in a dual processor if you don't know wether the software you're using uses 2 processors? Is there a way to tell what software is dual compatiable?
As the price difference between the two options isn't too bad, (for me at this time at least), should I opt for the slightly faster single 1.53 or go for the dual 1.4? I know it's "one of those questions", where the answer depends on many factors, but generally speaking?
And after some research it appears the most RAM I get install in my dear old G4 867 is approx 1.5Gb. And updating one slot will give me that. Is it possible to add any more? Is there an expansion option that I'm not aware of?
That's it.
Positive feedback most welcome.
And *Many Thanks* in advance.

japamac wrote:
Hi-
Hello, and many thanks for taking the time to reply.
If you are going to use any photo, video, or audio editing software, get the dual processor upgrade. The OS also uses the dual processors. Any amount of multi-tasking will also benefit from multi processors.
Yes, I do a fair amount of photo, video and audio editing and rendering. Often I'll have more than one prgram running at once. eg: I'll have MPEG Streamclip converting an MPEG2 to a MOV file while editing in FCP or burning a DVD.
The RAM slots are as they are, and no mods are available. 1.5gb is max.
Such is life. Still I have "MenuMeters" installed, allowing me to monitor RAM usage, and I'm yet to see it all being used, even when the CPU usage goes to 100%. (Which is happening more often nowadays, thus the need for an upgrade.
If you are interested, for the same money as the dual, you can get a single 7448 based 2.0ghz processor upgrade. The duals will run about as fast as a single 1.8ghz, but the biggest advantage is to reduce the power demands and the heat produced. The 7455 processors, though very good, do produce more heat, and draw more power, than a 7447 or 7448 processor upgrade.
The other aspect of the 7448 that makes it attractive, is a 1mb L2 cache. Though no L3, the proximity of the large L2 cache makes for a faster processor than the 7447, or even 7455.
I was thinking it might be better to stay with the 7455, especially when going dual.
Does it matter if I change the model of the processor? I was under the impression is was better to stay with the original model type. eg 7455.
That said, the FastMac processors are good upgrades.
The 2Ghz is VERY tempting! But given that I'm doing more video and audio work, (at the same time), it seems the dual 1.4 is the better option. Or is it? Decisions, decisions.
Many Thanks. Jay.

Flash Player 9 won't work with Firefox-Mac 867 dual mhz

I'm using a Mac G4 dual 867 mhz, OS 10.3.5 and can't get Flashplayer 9 to work on Firefox. I have the 10.3.9 update but can't get it to install. Is the problem the OS version or something else?

Gary,
Thanks for quick response
"First, through IE6, verify your installed version:
http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about"
Doing this doesn't show installed version, as it does when I
go there from my laptop.
"Can you get to other sites? If yes, does FP work there? If
you couldn't get to the doc's website at all, it's an IE6 related
issue, not FP."
Doesn't work at Adobe either. I can get to the doc's website
but his intro page is a flash video. Get black screen and if you
right click it will say "about Flash Player 9" so I know I'm there
and FP is installed and running
"Many things can be the cause, probs w/IE6 (settings),
AV/IS/Spyware/Adware/Popup blockers, etc.. These can also affect
FP."
I tried checking the IE6 settings per stuff on the forums,
disabled AVG AV and WINXP firewall and none of that helped. Pop-up
blocker says it isn't on.
"I'm surprised that your desktop XP didn't have any FP.
Usually it does have it, but the older versions don't show up in
the Control Panel/Add or Remove Programs list. They're way down in
C:/Windows/System32/Macromed/Flash folder."
Didn't look at Control Panel , just that going to web site
said we needed FP.
"If you can get to the site and ya just can't view flash, try
these things:
Then, go down to the Flash folder and see what's there. You
should have a FlashUtil9x, a Flash9x.ocx, an uninstall file and
maybe a txt file. While online as an Admn User, dbl click on the
Util9x and a "wizard" panel should appear. Follow the instructions.
Close/restart IE, test (go to the site). If no-go, reboot, go IE6
and test again.
Yes, this may get you to FP10, but your IE6 and flash will be
working."
Already did this also, the only "wizard" that comes up either
automatically updates to FP10 or does nothing. In one of your
previous threads you said it would "set" FP. What does that mean
and what screen/button/icon should I be seeing?
Anyway, one of the several times I did it, I let it install
FP10 but it didn't solve the problem.
Ron

Performance Problems: Power Mac 867 MHZ G4

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