Perilous Pitfalls of Problematic Panther installation! I want it to work.

Ok after waiting 2 weeks for a copy of Panther to show up (week of bidding over eBay plus week of waiting for it to show up), I try to install Panther onto my iMac G3 with 1GB of RAM 2 USB ports and it keeps choking around 45% of installation of base system part 1. The last time this morning I tried to install it before I had to leave for work, it installed up to about 50% then the progress bar completed and I was shown a solid blue screen with the swirling clock dial graphic. I thought that may have been the cue to install disc 2 so I force ejected disc 1 and loaded disc 2 but nothing happened so I reset it and turned it off.

Hi MrSteve,
Please check your previous post.
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Bertrand FOVEZ [mailto:[email protected]]
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Unterhaltung: German localization of SP2 Installer - I want my
zipped-jar-distribution back!
Betreff: Re: German localization of SP2 Installer - I want my
zipped-jar-distribution back!
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choose
the english localization in order the installation program to work.
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[email protected]...
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