Personnel Area & sub area Creation

Dear Gurus
Currently We have to create personnel areas for my client which belongs to manufacturing sector.
They have their , corporate office in y place, registered office in x place , two plant locations which is situated in two other places. my question is should i make these four as personnel areas?
subarea as department?

Hi,
See this enterprise structure should be framed in such a manner that they doesn't sabbotage your system as they are the building blocks.
You can create them as follows in any of the manner .
Example 1: Here Corporate and Plant are treated separately for future requirements for e.g in company 1111 more corporate offices like branch & registered offices are to be mapped and in plant more plant locations need to be added , so in future if someone wants the complete data of corporate and plant then they can fetch it based on Personnel Area.
Company Code : 1111
1) Personnel Area : 1000 (Corporate) ---> Personnel Subarea : 1000 (Corporate Office 1) , 1001 (Corporate Office 2)
2 ) Personnel Area : 2000 (Plant ) -
> Personnel Subarea : 2000 (Plant Location 1 ) , 2001 (Plant Location 2)
Example 2: +Here Corporate and Plant are considered as different locations of same company and henceforth are clubbed under one personnel area.
Company Code : 1111
1) Personnel Area : 1000 (Company) ---> Personnel Subarea : 1000 (Corporate) , 1001 (Plant).
Similarly you can opt for second company also . It mostly depends on how you want to group them as many of groupings are based on Personnel Area/Subarea in PY (Payroll) , TM( Time Management) and other HR modules.
Hope this answer will be useful.

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I am very new to SAP HR, our clinet has plans to open a new plant for their organization.
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Hi,
You can create PA & PSA thru
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PSAs are the sub divisions of PA. you can not bifurcate a PSA again.
if you want to bifurcate then in OM you can create a structure like this but the last one will become your PSA.
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is it correct to have personnel subareas acoording to department wise. ex :- Can hr, finance, sales departments be made as personnel subareas in enterprise structure. ???
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Personnel Subareas are the subdivision of Personnel Area and it is a must to define a pay scale area, pay scale type and one holiday calendar for each personnel subarea.
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1. Specifying the country grouping; this controls the dialog for entering country-specific personnel data and the setting up and processing of wage types and pay scale groups in Payroll; within a company code, the country grouping must be unambiguous
2. Assigning a legal entity to differentiate between the individual companies from a legal point of view
3. It specifies groupings for Time Management. This enables you, for example, to set up work schedules, substitution types, absence types, and leave types on the basis of a specific personnel subarea.
4. The personnel subarea is a selection criterion for evaluations.
5. The personnel subarea is used to generate default values for pay scale area and pay scale type for an employeeu2019s basic pay.
6. It specifies the public holiday calendar.
7. Defining personnel subarea-specific wage types per personnel area
8. It assigns a legal person for payroll.
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What is the basis for Personnel Area & Personnel Sub Area?

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How to finalize the Personnel Area and Personnel Sub Area?
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In which places we can use PA?
In which place we can use PSA?
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What kind of problem could arise with wrong PA & PSA?
Let's have the answer for this question, which could help all the members.

Hi,
How to finalize the Personnel Area and Personnel Sub Area?
-- based on your location,plant, corporation, head office, business strategic units(BSU), operations.
What points should be taken into consideration before finalizing PA & PSA?
-- -- based on your location,plant, corporation, head office, business strategic units(BSU), operations
In which places we can use PA?
-- PA is the location/division of the company. TM , payroll and Administration running places take personnel area.
In which place we can use PSA?
-- PSA is the subdivision of the personnel area, PSA groupings will be done for workschedules
attendances and absences quotas, leave types, attendance quotas, wage types, professional tax, holiday calendar, ESI, LWF.
What items/sub-modules in SAP-HR largely depends on PA & PSA?
-- Recruitment, Personnel Time management, Payroll, Compensation managemnt
What kind of problem could arise with wrong PA & PSA?
Instead of correct PA, PSA, if we give the wrong PA, PSA we will get the data to wrrong PA, PSA like payroll calculation, time data.
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I have a situation where the client wants to discontinue use of certain Personnel Sub-areas and do a mass change of employees in those PSA's to existing PSA's, as well as possibly reassign Employee Groups and ESG's.
If PA/OM integration is turned on, what is the easiest, least painful method of accomplishing this?
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This is not a solution but rather sharing some experience.
I am in a similar situation in my current place: Company Code was created excessively without knowing the actual usage of it by FI. Most of it doesn't represent actual legal entity. Because of this mess this client has issues when wanting to implement other SAP modules like logistic,SD etc. Now they are in the 'clean up' process. But because it has impacted HR as well, situation becomes really messy. To make things worst in HR, Personnel Areas are also created not in a manner that it should be. Now these too need to be cleaned up (not because of logistic, SD implementation but now their users make noise because their employee data are so messy .... users are HR professionals so they can see..). But we proposed the clean up of Personnel Areas to be done at later stage once the Company Code is cleaned. This is also because changing Personnel area, subarea for a productive system is more risky as you need to consider retroactivity when it comes to Time Eval and Payroll. In our case for example, as Company Code need to be cleaned up retroactively, this impact all payroll, time, and Travel & Expense clusters.
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- Adequate end user training as well as IT support training must be provided
- System procedure documentation must be provided and followed by the client
- Good IT support who knows the business process is required so that any enhancement to the delivered system is done in a manner that it should be. Not just anyhow create!
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Can you please help in finding out if NUMKR feature be used to assign the number ranges for personnel sub areas??
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Yes we can
we can assign based on the following only
BUKRS     Company Code
WERKS     Personnel Area
BTRTL     Personnel Subarea
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PERSK     Employee Subgroup
MOLGA     Country Grouping
PERNR     Personnel Number
ANSVH     Work Contract
MASSG     Reason for Action
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What is the difference if I create Personnel Sub Areas using the two options available in SPRO > Enterprise Structure> Definition> Human Resources Management > Personnel Sub Areas > 1) Copy,delete, check personnel sub area and 2) Create personnel sub areas?
It seems that if you select Copy,delete, check personnel sub area, it allows you to copy from one sub area to already existing sub area. Then why should i not create the sub areas with second option only?

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There are many parameters (like see below) attached to a personnel subarea. If you create subarea from scratch then you have to maintain them manually, if you copy from similar personnel subarea they are copied as well.
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Personnel Subarea Grouping for Appraisals
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Here we have a requirement to change the existing Personnel Sub Areas to new PSAreas.In the existing system we have 5 PSA and as per requirement we have to delete the existing PSA and have to include around 10 new PSA s.How we have to map the new psa for already existing employees.
What is the implications for the existing employeeswhen we delete existing psa and inclusion of new ps areas.
Please advice me
Regards,
V Sai.

Hi,
As you said you have 5 PSA before and now you want to create 10 new PSA and assign the employees to these new PSAs.
1. Create the 10 new PSAs and maintain all their attributes as you did for earlier 5 PSAs
2. If you want to keep a track then probably you can create an ACTION with text CHANGE PSA and in the INFOGROUP for this action use the INS for IT0000 and IT0001 in COPY mode .
Now you can create a BDC program ( ask your ABAPer) and upload all the data for employees with new PSAs
If you dont wish to create an ACTION then as earlier suggested by other members you can just load data to IT0001 with LSMW .
or BDC using PA30 with IT0001 copy and only change the PSA and begin date.
I dont think deleting the old PSAs will be advisable as it would be required for historical data.
Hope this helps.
Ajay
Edited by: Ajay Hosur on Mar 12, 2010 10:19 AM

Authorization restriction by personal sub area wise

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Can i restrict HR user by personal sub area. Currently i was restricted by personal area wise. But current requirement is personal sub area wise.
Which object is to be created .
Please reply urgently.
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Regards,
Sachin

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The standard PA authorisations P_ORGIN and P_ORGINCON do not have Personnel Subarea restrictions available unfortunately. Your only standard options are Personnel Area, Employee Group and Employee Subgroup.
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I want to give authorisations as per the Personnel Sub Area to view master data(PA30).
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What is the table to view all sub-areas within a company code?

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What is the table to view all sub-areas within a company code?
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Txn SPRO
IMG --> Enterprise structure --> Definition --> Human Resources Mgmt --> Personnel Subareas --> Copy, delete, check personnel subarea
Button "Structure", then "Navigation", check next screen.
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