Personnel Subarea inheriting from Personnel Area in PPOME Transaction

Hi,
We are facing the issue in PPOME Account Assignment tab.
Whenever if we assign the personnel Area, the personnel sub area also filled with Personnel area instead of taking the corresponding PA's PSA.
Could anybody let me know, how to avoid this issue.
Thanks in Advance
Rajesh.S

Dear Stefan,
Thanks a lot for your information. Your solution resolved our issues.
Thanks again.
Rajesh.S

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Personnel subarea inheritance issue

Hi,
not sure if this is an abap or functional question, so I started here.
I have a report using Logical Database PNPCE to find some values from a couple of info types. When I select a unit (from the 'OrgStructure' button at the top of the screen), say 111, and all its sub-units with no selections in the selection screen, I get one person displayed. This is correct and this person is in a sub-unit 3 levels down (unit 333).
I then added a selection to only display people in units with Personnel SubArea 'OTEC'. Now I get no results output. When I look in PPOME, I can see that unit 333 has Personnel SubArea 'OTEC' but it is inherited from '111'.
In PP01, unit 111 has an Account Assignment entry (Info Type 1008) but 333 does not.
Does anyone know how to report on this?
Is there a flag somewhere that tells the LDB to check for inherited units?
If not, any ideas if there is a function out there to find the superior unit for these sub-units?
Thanks.

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I couldn't find a simple solution so have used the FM RH_CHECK_ACC_INPUT to get the parent org unit details.
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We are live with PA and Org. Mgmt, but have been advised to change the infotype 1008 data - personnel area and subarea to be stored on the position instead of the org unit (where we have it now). A big reason for this is we have cases when we need to overwrite the personnel subarea at the position level. For example, a position belonging to an org unit with subarea ABCD, may really be in subarea WXYZ. Therefore, even though the org unit is ABCD, it will be overwritten at the position level to WXYZ. My understanding is that the RHINTE30 program will not work approrpiately if we are maintaining the data this way.
In transaction PPOME there is an account assignment tab on the org unit with cost center (filled in) and personnel area/subarea (which will be blank moving forward since that data won't be maintained on the org unit). Then, there is also an account assignment tab on the position with cost center inherited from the org unit (sometimes needing to be overwritten at the position level), and the personnel area/subarea data. My question is how should I handle the view of PPOME for this data? Can I hide the personnel area and subarea on the account assignment tab for the org units only so it is not confusing for the users? The problem with having it this way is that personnel area and subarea are blank on the org unit and filled on on the position. They are conflicting and both visable/maintainable to the User. Any advise please? Thanks!

Hi Nish,
I gave you my input on your other related message and now will go for this one.
As I commented on the other message, RHINTE30 will not integrate infotypes 1008 and 1013. So you don't have to worry about using this functionality (first part of your message).
On the second part (personnel area / subarea on position rather than org unit): there are some considerations here that are more functional / process driven than technical. From a technical point of view, everything can be done. You can hide data from infotype 1008 on the tabstrip for your org. unit using dynpro handling, even via customizing. You can even transfer the data from infotype 1008 on the org. units to the positions or delimit it on the org units. There are some quite easy ways of achieving this using the LMSW tool (have you used it? I can forward some documentation).
But personally, I would not recommend to do this from a process point of view. Everything in SAP HR is about the inheritance concept, and I think this works very well when it comes to org. units and positions. It is normally advisable to record personnel area / subarea on the org. unit level. This will be inherited by positions (even if you cannot see it at position level in PPOME) and thus defaulted for the employee. At position level you should handle only the exceptions, which will be in turn also defaulted for the employee holding the position. In this way, data maintenance is minimized. If you delete (or do not use from now on) information about infotype 1008 on org. unit level, your HR department will have to maintain this every time a position is created, and even in cases in which a position is shifted from one org. unit to another one.
In my opinion, you should address this with your HR department and explain the concept and the consequences of maintaining all at position level. It would only be advisable to do it if the org. unit structure is very cross-personnel areas and subareas. If it is a matter of handling exceptions, again, I would recommend to continue recording this data at org. unit level. All in all, if the data is not recorded on the position and you need to see which is its personnel area, you just need to double-click on the org. unit above.
Just wanted to let you know my opinion, of course it's your decision. By the way, I'm of course not aware of other possible implications like home-developed reporting and so on.
Regards,
Rodrigo

Incorrect combinations for personnel area and personnel subare

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we are getting incorrect combinations for personnel area and personnel subarea in the Target and as well in report.
we are using standard datasources 0PERS_AREA_TEXT and 0PERS_SAREA_TEXT, we are extracting only masterdata text from ECC, Not maintaining Attibute and Hierarchy for personnel area and personnel subarea.
we created (Actions overview) report on top of standard DSO 0PA_DS12 extracted from data source 0HR_PA_1,
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Hi,
In this context we will have two senarios.
1. Displaying the Personal Area and Personal Sub Area from Transactional data.
2. Displaying from Master Data.
If you choose Scenario 1 then, Personal Area and Personal Sub Area will be shown as per ECC entry. But in second scenario, If one Personal area or Personal Sub Area changed over a period of time that will effect the historical data also.
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I just enrolled the course SAP HR module and hope you won't think my questions too stupid.
I tried to create my personnel subareas from SPRO's enterprise structure. This was what I wanted to do:
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Do you know what was the problem and how should I fix it? Thanks in advance.
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Hi Catherine
Are these defined in V_T001P
Before you can use the HR system the way you want to you have to ensure the IMG (SAP Implementation
Guide - transaction SPRO) is completed
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Personnel subarea

dear all
when i create personnel area there are button called address if i need to maintain extra information like address ,name 1,name 2 ,telefone number...etc this button isnot found in personnel subarea is this possible to add it?

Hi Raul,
1st we have created one table called location table which contains columns MOLGA, PSA code, PSA Desc, Market unit which was client requirement and Address number which is sequence number for PSA. We can maintain manually.
Then we have created another table which is called address table and address is stored in this table based on sequence number.
Then we have created a new subtype for address infotype which will display address based on PSA. In this sub type all fields are display mode only. 1st system will find out PSA > based on PSA what sequence number from location table > which address for this sequence number from Address table.
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Dear Doris,
Several other possibilities exist for the grouping (not only PSG),
for example :
A) the "Employee subgroup grouping for time quotas" (ESG)
which is a char1 field (so you can use many more then the ones you
use at the moment)
B) field "Quota type selection group" (Quomo), from the documentation
of this field in V_T559L:
"Quota type selection rule group
You can use the quota type selection rule group to control absence
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Using different quota type selection rule groups, you can set specific
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Use
Quota generation is carried out in the schema using function QUOTA.
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in the rule using operation PAYTP. Using operation MODIF Q=xx,
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group shoulde be used in time evaluation to access the entries
for the relevant employees in the Leave Accrual table.
2. Using a personnel calculation rule you have written yourself in the
time evaluation schema
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operation MODIF Q=xx.
3. Using feature QUOMO
You can use the feature to set the quota type selection rule group based
on other organizational assignments. It is queried by the system during
time evaluation."
As your main issue seems to be the use of several different quota
requirements, you can define, via the use of field QUOMO in V_T559L,
for quota type 10 (just as an example) several different generation
rules (one for each Quomo).
Please note that quota 10 does not need to be always generated in the
same way, it can have a different generation rule for each key
combination of V_T559L.
The most flexible way to select which quomo should be used is via the
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BUKRS Company Code
WERKS Personnel Area
BTRTL Personnel Subarea
PERSG Employee Group
PERSK Employee Subgroup
MOLGA Country Grouping
MOURA Personnel Subarea Grouping for Leave Types
TRFAR Pay scale type
TRFGB Pay Scale Area
TRFGR Pay Scale Group
TRFST Pay Scale Level
SCHKZ Work Schedule Rule
PERNR Personnel Number
ANSVH Work Contract
CTTYP Contract type
Hope this helps,
Regards,
Shree

Personnel subarea changed in hr module but not reflecting to bi with same

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Hi Thankd for ur qick reply
Already i have loaded the data of o employee but it is not working.Just now also done the same there is no use
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Thank you for your input. I have used HR_MAINTAIN_MASTERDATA to update infotypes to a peratining user but how do i use it to update personnel areas in general??
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