Phantom assembly BOM

Hi All,
My client has the following setup:
They have a BOM for the Finished product (Sub Contract BOM) but one item is a phantom assembly which has it's own BOM.
In there current system they only use BOM usage 1 for production. In the upgrade system we use production and sub con BOM usage.
Any recommendation as to what usage to use for the phantom BOM?
Sub con or production?
Thanks
Stuart

Hi Stuart,
It's usage should be production, as BOM item is a phantom assembly, the dependent requirements of the higher-level assembly are directly passed on to the components of the phantom assembly. The phantom assembly itself is still not taken into account.
Why do you want to use sub-con usage?
Regards,
R.Brahmankar

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I have a scenario where in my finished product, I have several components organized in Alternate Group, and for each group, I define a component as Prime (100% usage) and others as Alternate (0% utilization). Among these there are some components that are configured as Phantom (Special Procurement 50), and these Phantom items, when they are Alternate in the BOM, ie, 0% Probability of Use in Alternate Item Group, it is not loaded in the list of components in Planned Order. Only the Phantom that is as Prime in BOM is showed in the Planned Order, together with their subcomponents.
The other components that are not phantom, usually appear within the Planned Order, those that have 100% utilization, and those who have 0% utilization set in the BOM. Obviously, all requirement is pointed in the Prime Item, but I can change according to availability of material in MDVP or manually in CO02.
When the Production Order is created directly by CO01, without conversion of planned order, the list of components typically brings all the Phantoms, independently of the Probability Use %.
Someone tell me if there is some kind of configuration to allow the Phantoms Optional also be uploaded to the component list of planned orders without having to change the percentage of use in BOM.
Thanks in advance.

Hello MCantos,
When you have maintained the usage probability as 0% for a alternative component, that means you do not want that partular material to be planned further. In short this is just an Engineering Relevant Material (is not required in Production activity).
When this alternate material with usage probability 0% is phantom material, you want its components to be proposed. But you yourself have answered that this phantom material has usage probability 0% and this means it is not required in Production and thus its components as well are not required. Thus system is not exploding the BOM and proposing the material at the time of Production activity.
Hope I answered your query. Please check your usage probability for phantom assembly part and if required correct the same so that you can achive what you want.
Thanks,
Rahul.

Problem with Phantom Assembly

Hi expert,
I have question with BOM and production process. In packaging industry, At start we have 8 components for finish goods. but recently, 2 component 0020 and 0030 (example bottle cap and sticker) will issue from warehouse for assembly process before return to warehouse. then re-issue to use for finish goods.
usually component 0020 and 0030 will convert to another component or change to semi-finish goods.i must create this BOM , Routing , and Open Production Order.and change component in finish goods,
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how is my resolution, possible or impossible? , will be any problem in the future. any advise is good.
regards,
kittisak.

Hi,
There are 2 possibilities in this case.
If you do not want to make stock of your HALB then make this as Phantom and include the assembly operations (manufacturing operations) in the header level material so that the activities will be captured at the Time of FERT confirmations.
If you want to make a track of the stock for re issue from Warehouse then no other way.
You should maintain it as HALB with BOM nad Routing, Pl. Order and Production Order route to capture the stocks and issue it to FERT production.
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I am in rem process. while doing the pull list for the fianl product using Entry with bom explosion.
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Dear Raj,
If your FERT contains a HALB and inturn this HALB contains say HALB1 which is a phantom assembly
and and another 2 raw materials means,when you execute MF60 For HALB,you will get the 2 raw
materials along with the component's of phantom assembly.
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Phantom, Assembly, Reference Operation Set

Hi All,
I am always having a little confusion with follwoings, so could you please help me to understand clearly will be grateful.
What is Phantom ?
What is Assembly ?
What is the difference between Phantom & Assembly ?
What is Reference Operation Set ?
What is the difference between Routing and Reference Operation Set ?
At which situation Reference Operation Set is used instead of Routing in SAP?
Thanks in Advance

Hi Madhan,
Phantom
Phantom assembly is a logical grouping of material.
Design point of view it is assembled.
Physically not assembled, but logically it is assembled.
Ex: CAR
BOM Header: CAR
Item: ENGINE
For ENGINE: Items are cylinder, piston, crankshaft....Here engine is phantom... while manufacturing car, engine is mandatory so if u assign engine as phantom it won't create planned order for engine. We can direct issue the materials (such as cylinder, Piston, CS) to car; by that time it reduces the work of issue and receiving goods to engine assembly.
But if u want engine as spare parts that time u can create planned independent requirement for engine and u can stock as ordinary processes...
In material master of MRP 2 view spl. procurement key - 50.
or Assign in BOM item - make tick mark in phantom assmbly.
If you create in material master wherever the material, system consider as a phantom.
If you mark in BOM, only that particular BOM, system consider as a phantom.
There is no stocking of phantom material
Routing and Reference Operation Set
Refer below link
Routing & Reference Operation Set
Regards,
Sankaran

Unable to View low level items for Phantom Assembly - Order created in APO

Hi All,
I am unable to view the sub items when I create planned orders in APO and production orders in ECC. But when the order for the same material is created in ECC, I can see all the sub items. I see that this issue is only for Phantom Assemblies.
And I cannot say that all the items in the Phantom do not appear, actually some of them do appear in BOM explosion.
For example:
Pld Ord is created for A in APO
Prd Ord for A is created in ECC
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and B is phantom
B has D and F as requirements
Then my BOM explosion shows
..1 B
..2 D
..1 C
..2 D
..2 E
..1 F (This only gives the quantity required to make A)
But it should also list how much of F (..2 F) is required to make B.
Where as it comes up in ECC.
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Hi All,
I am unable to view the sub items when I create planned orders in APO and production orders in ECC. But when the order for the same material is created in ECC, I can see all the sub items. I see that this issue is only for Phantom Assemblies.
And I cannot say that all the items in the Phantom do not appear, actually some of them do appear in BOM explosion.
For example:
Pld Ord is created for A in APO
Prd Ord for A is created in ECC
A has B, C and F as requirements
and B is phantom
B has D and F as requirements
Then my BOM explosion shows
..1 B
..2 D
..1 C
..2 D
..2 E
..1 F (This only gives the quantity required to make A)
But it should also list how much of F (..2 F) is required to make B.
Where as it comes up in ECC.
Do I need to change the material settings for Phantom or is it just the UOM that is creating an issue?

Collective Orders with Phantom assembly

HI experts,
Required clarity on following scenario urgently.
Material                                                Proc Type                             Special Proc
A                                                                 E
B(BOM item for A)                                       E                                             52
C(BOM item for B)                                        E                                              50(phantom)
C1(BOM item for c)                                        E                                             52
When we are creating the production order for A,respective production orders for B and C1 is genrated.
Now when we are confirming the production order for C1,GI of c1 to B is happening and also for C! production order it is giving the DLV status.Up to this the scenario working fine.
But when we are confirming the production order for B,the GI for production order A and DLV status for production order B has to happen,BUt it is not happening.
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Regards
LN

Hi
ritesh,
It is not the question of control key.
But the error is coming at the time of goods movement,we can see the description of it in "cogi".
"ERROR IN DEPENDENT GOODS MOVEMENT."
Because For 'c1',After confirming the order for 'C1',it will do the GR for 'C1'and GI of 'C1'to 'B' production order.
Up to this it is working fine.But the same when I am trying for 'B'production order,After confirmation the GR for'B'is not happning And the Issue of B to 'A' production order is not happening.
And in COGI the above error is coming.
I want to know weather this problem occuring because of phantom assembly with collective order.
Hope this will clear the problem understanding.
Regards
LN

Mrp for phantom assembly

Dear Gurus
My main item is a phantom assembly the sales order comes for the phantom assembly only.I have got a multilevel bom for this phantom assembly .The bom of the phantom assembly contains the semifinished item. And the bom of the semifinished item contain raw materials.Now while running MRP I dont want any planned orders to be generated for phantom assembly the system should create planned order for semifinished item and purchase requisition for raw material.How can it be done.
Regards
Sandip Sarkar

Hi,
Check the Planning Stratgy: [Planning with Planning MAterial without MTO|http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp60_sp/helpdata/en/a2/4e799a927d11d1800f00c04fadcb73/content.htm]..
It seems relevant to you Business..
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Component allocation of phantom assembly

I have a phantom assembly "X" with its components as A, B, C, D. During component allocation in routing do I need to allocate Phantom Assembly "X" to an operation as well.
Please specify the reason for YES and NO?

Hi
Check the following:
Material components in a BOM that are not assigned to an operation in the routing are automatically assigned to the first operation when you create a production order.
If you have assigned a phantom assembly to an operation in a routing, the system automatically assigns all of the material components in the phantom assembly to the same operation as the phantom assembly when you create a production order.
If you have assigned individual material components from the phantom assembly to various operations without also allocating the phantom assembly, the system assigns the material components that have not been assigned and the phantom assembly to the beginning of the first operation when you create a production order.
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Phantom materials/BOMs in routing without component assignments

Hi All,
I have the follwing setup of BOMs/Routings:
BOM:
superBOM                  Routing
     subBOM 1             operation 0030     phantom item
          component 1.1 operation 0020
          component 1.2 operation 0010
     subBOM 2             operation 0030     phantom item
          component 2.1 operation 0040
For the materials subBOM 1 and subBOM 2 I have set the Special Procurement type 50 (Phantom assembly) in MRP2.
I created first the subBOMs and then the superBOM.
My issue is that in CA03 or CA02 all of the component assignments are disappeared.
When I create a production order to the superBOM then all components will be assigned to operation 0010 in sequence 0. (first operation)
In some cases all components are assigned as an inheritance in the production order to the operation 0030 (like the phantoms has).
I checked the SAP Notes and I just found one with a report: 352375 - Item conversion in phantom assembly
Is not there any solution which I can use for multi-level BOMs where I only want the lowest level explosion with the lowest level component assignments?
We would not like to MRP the materials for the subBOMs and we only need to have the lowest level components in the production order.
Thank you in advance!
Best regards
Tamas

Hi Tamas,
You can try to set phantom in BOM Item instead of material master. Take out Spl proc type from SubBOM1 & subBOM2 & set it( Phantom item tick) at BOM item level in SuperBOM.
MAy be in prod order , it will still retain assignment.
Try & let know , if it works,
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Phantom Assembly Planned Order in APO

Sub : Incorrect quantity and Bucket for component in scenario of Phantom Assembly
Hi Gents,
I am using the Optimizer planning run for a scenario with Phantom assembly.
The master data has been used below
Material u2013 862700 (Finished goods)
1091895 (Phantom assembly maintained for above FG)
Location - 8501
Planning Book - ZAL_SNP_PB_BG
Data View - ZAL_SNP_DV_BGF
Optimizer profile - ZAL_OPT_01
I have entered a demand for above FG on 22.02.2012 and running a optimizer by selecting both FG and Phantom assembly. As a result the optimizer has created the planned order for FG from 18th to 22nd Dec. 2012. The advancement of the planned order is due to production capacity constraint. When i analysed System has created planned order for phantom assembly in last two buckets of the planning book and heneceforth the component requirement it is appearing only on last 2 buckets of the planning book. The date for this dependent demand is 28th and 29th Feb.2012 and the quantity is also wrong for the components as per the BOM.
The result I am expecting as system should create the planned order and dependent demand for the component maintain below phantom assembly should be same FG planed order date and quantity of component should also give the right requirement as per the BOM.
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Rajesh patil

HI Ipsita,
Did you try running it form SE38.
SE38 because in SE37 it is not necessary to give all the parameters..
But in SE38 you need to pass all the values required & Check form there.
Also you can check the details in PLAF-Table.
Thanks & regards,
Dileep .C

Planned order is not creating for a phantom assembly

Dear experts
My fert having two semi finished components
first semifinished is assigned with a raw material
And second semifinished is assigned with two different raw material
in material master of second semifinished mrp2 view Special procurement=50
and after running mrp, second semifinished is not getting any planned order or dep requirement all the raw material under this getting planned order
But in my understanding of phantom second semifinished in should not get any planned order?
Am i correct?
Pls advise me where i need to check
Abu Fathiam

Hi,
Phantom assembly will generate planned order for its component when you will maintain:
Procurement type: E
Special procurement type: 50
Also in SPRO: OPPQ BOM explosion
Also check in BOM In basic data tab
In MRP Data screen, check explosion type- are you maintained phantom assembly off? Check it if you want planned order.
If you don't want system generated planned order for your phantom assembly component you should not maintain this indicator.
Regards,
Alok Tiwari
Edited by: Alok Kumar Tiwari on Feb 29, 2012 11:38 AM
Edited by: Alok Kumar Tiwari on Feb 29, 2012 11:39 AM

Phantom assembly quantity change in production order

Hello experts,
We are producing 1 type of goods, but for 2 different customers. each of them has their own specification for packaging. as per system it was decided to not create another finished goods partnumber with additional BOM, but instead we created 2 phantom assemblies in 1 BOM. 1 of them is the main (for customer 1), another one is alternative (for customer 2).
Now the idea was that whenever Purchasing is maintaining materials in production orders they were supposed to switch quantity from main phantom assembly to alternative phantom assembly whenever goods were required for customer 2.
We quickly tested the possibility of quantity change on our test server, but not entirely. the thing is, that for some reason you can change phantom assembly required quantity only if it's already has required quantity higher than 0. otherwise the item is greyed out and you can't perform any changes in it.Same happens if you simply reduce required quantity of phantom assembly item to 0. once you do so - the item becomes greyed out as well.
So, the question is - is it some kind of settings in BOM\MMD that prevents user from changing quantities for phantom assemblies (and if it is - where exactly you can change it), or it's something else (like i dunno, maybe user authorization issue or something).
Any help will be appreciated.
P.S. - i know that you can still simply remove entire item from production order and put it back with quantities and etc., but that way of work has higher risk of making a mistake.
BR
VE

Dear ,
Couple of points on this issue which may help you understand the problem : Bom Explosion With Phantom Assemblies will happen based on the following set up .
1. You need to maintain the special procurement key-50 for the phantom Assembly
in the MRP 2 View of the material master
2. We can override the Phantom Assembly Setting by defining in SPRO --->
Define Explosion Types so that MRP Creates Procurement Propasals for the
Phantom Assembly itself.ie We can Swith off the Phantom Assembly Settings.
This settting need to be defined in the BOM Item details screen in the Basic
Data Tab Page under MRP Area.
So check in your Bom whether switch off phantom assembly is defined.Make the Explosion Type-Blank
3.Run MRP Single Item - Multi level - Transaction MD02 with Planning Mode 2 : 'Re-explode BOM and Routing'. The Phantom Item will now get exploded correctly in the Planned Order.
4.Check the Validity of the BOM and planning date
5.Check the MRP4 set up in FG where you have kept the BOM/Routing selection
6.Check wether dependent requirement material master -MRP4 view -MRP for Depent Requ should be blank .
Check the above points and come back
Regards
JH
Edited by: Jiaul Haque on Jun 14, 2010 2:15 PM
Edited by: Jiaul Haque on Jun 14, 2010 2:18 PM

Phantom Assembly not exploding in production order

Hi All,
We are using phantom assembly as a BOM component.
When we create a planed order from MD03 or MD02 and try to convert this planed order to production order the components of Phantom assembly are not explode in production order. When I tried with read PP master data option it get explode.
Can you please let me know the reason?
Thanks,
SAP PQ

Dear ,
Couple of points on this issue which may help you understand the problem : Bom Explosion With Phantom Assemblies will happen based on the following set up .
1. You need to maintain the special procurement key-50 for the phantom Assembly
in the MRP 2 View of the material master
2. We can override the Phantom Assembly Setting by defining in SPRO --->
Define Explosion Types so that MRP Creates Procurement Propasals for the
Phantom Assembly itself.ie We can Swith off the Phantom Assembly Settings.
This settting need to be defined in the BOM Item details screen in the Basic
Data Tab Page under MRP Area.
So check in your Bom whether switch off phantom assembly is defined.Make the Explosion Type-Blank
3.Run MRP Single Item - Multi level - Transaction MD02 with Planning Mode 2 : 'Re-explode BOM and Routing'. The Phantom Item will now get exploded correctly in the Planned Order.
4.Check the Validity of the BOM and planning date
5.Check the MRP4 set up in FG where you have kept the BOM/Routing selection
6.Check wether dependent requirement material master -MRP4 view -MRP for Depent Requ should be blank .
Check the above points and come back
Regards
JH
Edited by: Jiaul Haque on Jun 14, 2010 2:15 PM
Edited by: Jiaul Haque on Jun 14, 2010 2:18 PM

BOMMAT Idoc for Phantom assembly

I have to send BOM to SAP-ME using BOMMAT Idoc. I would like to know how the Idoc behaves for Phantom assembly.
For header material A, I have 2 components say B & C. C is a phantom (MRP2-Spl Proc Key=50). And C has a BOM with components D & E.
Now I want to generate Idoc for BOM for A. Will the item level segment in Idoc for A will have B &C only or B, D and E. i .e will it skip Phantom component?
Regards
Shiju

Hi,
Your requirement is not very clear.
Assuming that you want to create an Idoc say for BOM(phantom assembly), the following are the steps:
1. Goto WE02 (list of Idocs)
2. Give FINSTA in Logical Message field then, execute.
3. Take the reference of any Idoc with status 53 (Green).
4. Goto WE19 (to create new Idoc with reference)
5. Give the Existing Idoc no. as selected in Point 3, execute.
6. Give all the parameters as per your new House Bank.
7. Click Standard Inbound button and note the Idoc No.
8. Goto WE02, give the Idoc No. as per Point 7, execute
9. The status has to be 53, else look for the error log.
10. Goto BD87 to make corrections in Idoc and execute.
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