Phantom assembly

I want to understand phantom assembly concept..
I have gone through sdn and find this answer to be understandable..
Phantom Assembly:
A logical grouping of materials.
A phantom assembly is created in engineering to describe a number of components and manage them
as a whole. The components in a phantom assembly are immediately placed in the superior assembly.
Components in an assembly are first assembled to produce the header material. Then header material
is placed in the superior assembly.
Example
The phantom assembly "set of wheels" contains the components "front wheel" and "rear wheel." The front and rear wheels are immediately placed in the "bicycle" assembly. The "light" assembly contains the materials "bulb" and "reflector." The light components are first assembled and then the light is attached to the bicycle.
Settings to be done:
For configurations settings goto OPPQ for maintaining the values of special.key
Special procurement key value 50 must be set in the MRP2 view of the material master.
For the materials for which sp.procurement value 50 is set the system creates the planned orders and
purchase requisitions for the components of the phantom assembly.
Regards
Mangalraj.S
But can anybody tell me, In the above where should we maintain the sp prc key 50.. In the fron wheel or in the rear wheel...
Pls explain me..

Hi,
"In the above where should we maintain the sp prc key 50.. In the fron wheel or in the rear wheel..."
For this you need to create an logican assy new mat no in MMR.ex: xxxxx for which components are rear wheel - Rxxx, front wheel - Fxxx ..
Assign 50 in mrp 2 view of assy xxxxx material .
now this xxxxx material is phantom assy.
when you run MRP for FG this phantom assy will get explode and dependent req will be created for Rxxx and Fxxx directly with out creating planned order for xxxxx mat..
come back futher if you have any doubt.
regards
vinoth

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I have question with BOM and production process. In packaging industry, At start we have 8 components for finish goods. but recently, 2 component 0020 and 0030 (example bottle cap and sticker) will issue from warehouse for assembly process before return to warehouse. then re-issue to use for finish goods.
usually component 0020 and 0030 will convert to another component or change to semi-finish goods.i must create this BOM , Routing , and Open Production Order.and change component in finish goods,
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how is my resolution, possible or impossible? , will be any problem in the future. any advise is good.
regards,
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Hi,
There are 2 possibilities in this case.
If you do not want to make stock of your HALB then make this as Phantom and include the assembly operations (manufacturing operations) in the header level material so that the activities will be captured at the Time of FERT confirmations.
If you want to make a track of the stock for re issue from Warehouse then no other way.
You should maintain it as HALB with BOM nad Routing, Pl. Order and Production Order route to capture the stocks and issue it to FERT production.
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I am in rem process. while doing the pull list for the fianl product using Entry with bom explosion.
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i also maintained the production stor loc for the components and the phantom assmy.
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Dear Raj,
If your FERT contains a HALB and inturn this HALB contains say HALB1 which is a phantom assembly
and and another 2 raw materials means,when you execute MF60 For HALB,you will get the 2 raw
materials along with the component's of phantom assembly.
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Dear suntevea,
Generally Production confirmation is not made for phantom assemblies either in Discrete or REM scenario.
So once when you do the confirmation for the upper level assembly where this phantom assembly is used
as a component,then at this point the good's issue(backflush) will be happening for the component's of the
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Again material A is a component for making another assembly say X,so when you do the backflushing in
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Hi All,
I am always having a little confusion with follwoings, so could you please help me to understand clearly will be grateful.
What is Phantom ?
What is Assembly ?
What is the difference between Phantom & Assembly ?
What is Reference Operation Set ?
What is the difference between Routing and Reference Operation Set ?
At which situation Reference Operation Set is used instead of Routing in SAP?
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Hi Madhan,
Phantom
Phantom assembly is a logical grouping of material.
Design point of view it is assembled.
Physically not assembled, but logically it is assembled.
Ex: CAR
BOM Header: CAR
Item: ENGINE
For ENGINE: Items are cylinder, piston, crankshaft....Here engine is phantom... while manufacturing car, engine is mandatory so if u assign engine as phantom it won't create planned order for engine. We can direct issue the materials (such as cylinder, Piston, CS) to car; by that time it reduces the work of issue and receiving goods to engine assembly.
But if u want engine as spare parts that time u can create planned independent requirement for engine and u can stock as ordinary processes...
In material master of MRP 2 view spl. procurement key - 50.
or Assign in BOM item - make tick mark in phantom assmbly.
If you create in material master wherever the material, system consider as a phantom.
If you mark in BOM, only that particular BOM, system consider as a phantom.
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Refer below link
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Hi
I need to raise a rpoduction order for a material A . I need to supply B and C to produce A which in turn are In House produced materials.Do I make B and C as phantom assembly and instead of raising 3 production orders i can only raise 1
Regards,
PradeepM.

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pradeep19842010 wrote:
> Hi
>
> I need to raise a rpoduction order for a material A . I need to supply B and C to produce A which in turn are In House produced materials.Do I make B and C as phantom assembly and instead of raising 3 production orders i can only raise 1
>
> Regards,
> PradeepM.
1. Hi In your case you cannot make the same since B&C are not phantom,
2. The are real materials - you need to procure them or prodcue them to have the C produced.
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3. Only in such condition you need to make phantom..
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Unable to View low level items for Phantom Assembly - Order created in APO

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I am unable to view the sub items when I create planned orders in APO and production orders in ECC. But when the order for the same material is created in ECC, I can see all the sub items. I see that this issue is only for Phantom Assemblies.
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Hi All,
I am unable to view the sub items when I create planned orders in APO and production orders in ECC. But when the order for the same material is created in ECC, I can see all the sub items. I see that this issue is only for Phantom Assemblies.
And I cannot say that all the items in the Phantom do not appear, actually some of them do appear in BOM explosion.
For example:
Pld Ord is created for A in APO
Prd Ord for A is created in ECC
A has B, C and F as requirements
and B is phantom
B has D and F as requirements
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..1 B
..2 D
..1 C
..2 D
..2 E
..1 F (This only gives the quantity required to make A)
But it should also list how much of F (..2 F) is required to make B.
Where as it comes up in ECC.
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If my header material is phantom assembly then can we backflush the phantom aeembly , not the components of that specific assembly?

Hi,
Why this situation arises?
If the header material is directly flowing into the next level asembly then we can go with Phantom Material concept. The convrsion activities can be included in the higher level assembly for the phantom.
If you want to backflush the Phantom then you need to keep the stock of it..
If that is the case then, it is not a Phantom.
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HI experts,
Required clarity on following scenario urgently.
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A                                                                 E
B(BOM item for A)                                       E                                             52
C(BOM item for B)                                        E                                              50(phantom)
C1(BOM item for c)                                        E                                             52
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LN

Hi
ritesh,
It is not the question of control key.
But the error is coming at the time of goods movement,we can see the description of it in "cogi".
"ERROR IN DEPENDENT GOODS MOVEMENT."
Because For 'c1',After confirming the order for 'C1',it will do the GR for 'C1'and GI of 'C1'to 'B' production order.
Up to this it is working fine.But the same when I am trying for 'B'production order,After confirmation the GR for'B'is not happning And the Issue of B to 'A' production order is not happening.
And in COGI the above error is coming.
I want to know weather this problem occuring because of phantom assembly with collective order.
Hope this will clear the problem understanding.
Regards
LN

PP - Phantom Assembly Alt Item in BOM not loaded in Planned Order

Hi all,
I have a scenario where in my finished product, I have several components organized in Alternate Group, and for each group, I define a component as Prime (100% usage) and others as Alternate (0% utilization). Among these there are some components that are configured as Phantom (Special Procurement 50), and these Phantom items, when they are Alternate in the BOM, ie, 0% Probability of Use in Alternate Item Group, it is not loaded in the list of components in Planned Order. Only the Phantom that is as Prime in BOM is showed in the Planned Order, together with their subcomponents.
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Hello MCantos,
When you have maintained the usage probability as 0% for a alternative component, that means you do not want that partular material to be planned further. In short this is just an Engineering Relevant Material (is not required in Production activity).
When this alternate material with usage probability 0% is phantom material, you want its components to be proposed. But you yourself have answered that this phantom material has usage probability 0% and this means it is not required in Production and thus its components as well are not required. Thus system is not exploding the BOM and proposing the material at the time of Production activity.
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Thanks,
Rahul.

Mrp for phantom assembly

Dear Gurus
My main item is a phantom assembly the sales order comes for the phantom assembly only.I have got a multilevel bom for this phantom assembly .The bom of the phantom assembly contains the semifinished item. And the bom of the semifinished item contain raw materials.Now while running MRP I dont want any planned orders to be generated for phantom assembly the system should create planned order for semifinished item and purchase requisition for raw material.How can it be done.
Regards
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Hi,
Check the Planning Stratgy: [Planning with Planning MAterial without MTO|http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp60_sp/helpdata/en/a2/4e799a927d11d1800f00c04fadcb73/content.htm]..
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