Photo Stream & Camera Roll using double memory?

I have a 16gb new iPad. I've noticed that since taking some home movies using the video camera (total of about 25 minutes) my available internal storage has dropped quite a bit along with my availble iCloud storage. I also noticed that all photos and videos are duplicated between the Photo Steam and Camera Roll. I'm not sure I've really figured out the difference between these two and whether I need them both. If I understand correctly, Photo Stream is there to work with iCloud to backup and also push stuff to other devices (but that feature has a 30day/1,000 photo limit)? On the other hand, the Camera Roll is permanent (although it also backs up to iCloud, depending on your settings)? I also understand that Photo Stream data doesn't eat into the free 5gb on iCloud, but Camera Roll does.
So, my questions are:
1. With respect to the internal storage on the iPad itself, am I losing twice as much memory for each photo/video that is in my Cameral Roll and also on the Photo Stream?
2. It doesn't seem to make sense that I have iCloud backing up my Camera Roll (which eats iCloud storage) if the same stuff is backed up on Photo Stream (without using iCloud storage) - I assume the only reason to continue allowing it to back up the Camera Roll is that the Photo Stream backup has limits? In other words, if I don't backup the Camera Roll and my iPad craps out on me, then my iCloud restore won't inlcude any photos or videos taken more than 30 days ago?

Photos are included with the Photo Stream, not videos.
Photo Stream is temporary so if you have an iPhone and iPad, photos captured on one device will be available on the other device automatically and vice-versa. Your Photo Stream can also be accessed on your computer so you can add photos to the stream on your computer making the newly added photos available on each device without having to sync, and for saving photos in the Photo Stream locally on your computer's hard drive without needing to import the photos from the Camera Roll with your computer.
Photos in the Photo Stream as well as in the Camera Roll are taking up double the storage space.
Photo Stream is not a backup.
Photos/videos in the Camera Roll should be imported by your computer as with any other digital camera.

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Photo Stream is a feature of iCloud;
http://www.apple.com/icloud/features/photo-stream.html
The Camera Roll is an album on the iPad with any photos that you transfer from a camera or memory card using the Camera Connection Kit to the iPad or any screen shots that you take with the iPad or any photos that you take with the cameras on an iPad 2, as opposed to any albums that you have synced to the iPad from your computer using the iTunes app. The Camera Roll comes and goes as needed. If you have no photos that would go into the Camera Rol, it disappears, and returns when it is needed.
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Hello Meridarida,
The following troubleshooting steps can help get your Photo Stream working.
From the Home screen, tap Settings > Wi-Fi. Make sure that Wi-Fi is turned on and your device is connected to a wireless network. If necessary, troubleshoot your Internet connection on your iOS device.
From your Home screen, tap Settings > iCloud > Photos (Photo Stream on a device using iOS 6) and make sure that My Photo Stream is turned on.
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Ensure that your iOS device has not fallen below 20% battery power. To preserve battery life, Photo Stream downloading and uploading are disabled when the battery reaches this threshold. Downloading and uploading will resume once you charge your device and the battery charge is greater than 20%.
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http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3989
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How do you regularly avoid deleting the same bad photo twice, once in the monthly Photo Stream album in iPhoto and once in the device's Camera Roll?
I like that My Photo Stream automatically copies photos into iPhoto. Problem is that any clean up that I do in iPhoto, (deleting bad shots) is not reflected in the Camera Roll. So I remain with a Camera Roll that still has everything. Next time I go to unavoidably plug my iPhone into iPhoto via USB to grab the videos, I have no easy way of figuring out which un-imported photos in the Camera Roll are there because I alredy deleted them in iPhoto or My Photo Stream mistakedly missed them (something that seems to happen often enough).
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I just seem to have photos all over the place with seemingly many duplications.
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The most confusing thing is that the photo stream on my iPhone is different to the photo stream on my iPad and I had understood that this shouldn't be the case.
(would also have been glad to have known that having written this message once' it would be deleted when I added new products to the list at the bottom)

iCloud is a very simple and easy to use system.
PhotoStream being one of the features as you know.
On both iDevices, ensure that both are logged into the same iCloud account within Settings App. Make sure PhotoStream is ON.
That literally is all there is too it to get images syncing between devices.
On your MacBook, you can also stream photos to computer - again, open the iCloud App in Sys Prefs, login with same AppleID.
You can also manually upload images to the PhotoStream (from Mac) - are you doing this also? Maybe getting confused here?

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http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4486
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80% percent of photos we take are bad photos, we delete them later when reviewing them. Now the photos are in both camerroll and photostrean. When we delete them from the camera roll they do not get deleted from photo stream, when I delete them from photo stream they do not get deleted from camera roll.
I want to keep good photos only in both photo stream and camera roll. How do I do it? Delete them twice?? What a waste of time.
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