Photo to Movie - a little jerky

Hi - im sorry if im in the wrong forum, but I think this is the closest match. And its regarding third party software but I know you guys a such a knowedgable bunch
Ive just bought Photo to Movie (great app) and exported a DV slideshow 16:9 at its default 29fps. However, after ive burnt to a DVD some of the transitions appear a little jerky on the longer pan/zoom shots.
I was wondering if this was to do with the frame rate maybe? Ive always been a little hazy on the subject of framerate - but should I be using 25fps and does it make a difference that Im exporting for a UK tv rather than the US pal?
Or am I talking rubbish
thanks in advance for your help
Nick

I dont use Photo to Movie but if you are operating in the UK then your projects should be in PAL which is 25 fps and not 29 fps (which is for NTSC). See if that makes a difference.

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I know folks have talked about this before ......
I recently received a tip about 'Photo to Movie', and how it improves those Jaggy images (the outer parameter of a photo), that can be seen in both Quicktime (on your computer screen), AND from a burned DVD on your TV.
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I'm a new Mac user and do like iPhoto 6 quite a bit
for making slideshows with all the slick transitions
and the Ken Burns effect. I ran across Photo to
Movie and am wondering if anyone has had recent
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http://www.saunalahti.fi/~shmhav/kenburnstest.zip

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