Photos app vs Aperture, for adepts?

Hi guys,
Are all Aperture adjustment tools available to a semi-adept like myself who migrates to the Photos app? Can I adjust my images in Photos to the same level of precision and have as many options (and stay within the Apple universe), or do I have to look elsewhere, like Lightroom? I need high-end software.
I'm offered a Beta version, but not sure whether it's for me. BTW, I have just installed Yosemite and am keeping my fingers crossed.
Thanks,
Raphael

Hi Raphael,
With the _coming_ demise of Aperture, users are either:
- staying with Aperture for a bit: it works well; migrating the database is, _at best_, tricky, incomplete, and inefficient; Aperture will continue to work well under Yosemite for as long as you have a Mac running Yosemite, or
- using another program/programs for the digital asset management and digital camera image editing that they used to do in Aperture.
Those who are moving are either:
- putting only or mostly new/recent digital camera files into another program(s), and developing a workflow with the other program(s), or
- porting all of their Originals, all of their adjusted Versions, and as much of the database as possible into another program.
The other programs that are most often mentioned as being useful to Aperture users are:
- Adobe's Lightroom. Functional overlap with Aperture is nearly 100%. Widely used. More support and resources than you can use. Aperture users general don't like being constrained by a modal interface, and don't like the actual interface.
- Capture One Pro. Functions similar to Aperture. Well-liked by those who use it. Strong editing tools. Less strong digital asset management tools. Very much smaller installed user base. Imho, a more Aperture-like experience than LR.
- Apple Photos for OS X. Properly understood as the successor program to iPhoto (it is _not_ a successor to Aperture). The design emphasis is on ease of use. Adequate editing tools. Strong but non-customizable digital asset management tools.
All three feature non-destructive workflows (your digital camera files are never over-written). All of them — like Aperture — store _the information needed to create new files_, rather than new files themselves.
rshammaa wrote:
If I am to switch, I would like to switch to a software that is elegantly thought out, that offers at least as much control as Aperture does, and that is widely supported and understood; and that has a forum like this one with competent people responding.
An excellent list. Imho:
- LR is the least elegant of the three.
- LR and C1Pro offer as much editing control as Aperture. Neither offers as much digital asset management options/utility.
- All are (or will be) well supported. LR is much more used and discussed, and has many more supporting materials available, than any of the others.
- This forum provided — not just my opinion, and something I'm proud of — a rare combination of quick response, high-quality content, and little chaff. There are (afaik) good forums for both LR and for C1Pro.
HTH,
—Kirby.

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