Photoshop cs3 vs. lightroom 1.0

hallo ng,
weiß jemand, ob die funktionen der web-fotogalerie in
den beiden
programmen identisch sind, bzw. welche in der anwendung
besser ist?
(zb. in der weiterverarbeitung/anpassung etc.)
gruß
christian

I can't test for 10.8.5 but Lr 1.4.1 works in 10.9.1.
What is happening or not??

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Camera raw and Photoshop CS3 from Lightroom

(2.5) If I open a raw image from Windows Explorer or Bridge (which I don't use much), Camera Raw 4.6 opens. It doesn't open if I Edit In Photoshop CS3 from Lightroom, but says "This version of Lightroom may require the Photoshop Camera Raw plug-in version 5.5 for full compatibility. Camera Raw version 4.6 is the latest version available for Photoshop CS3".
There are two choices: Render using Lightroom and Open Anyway. If I say the former, it doesn't use the file name, but does something like -2.tif.
I'm not sure what these two choices actually do.
Secondly, if things were working properly, would Lightroom actually open the Camera Raw window? If so, is there anything I can do short of upgrading PS to CS4?
Thanks.

Just a little history of the profiles being displayed for your camera model. The camera calibration tab only displays the profiles that are specific to your camera and model. The earler profiles were named after the version of ACR that was in use when they were created.
So.
ACR 4.2 the first profile created for your camera model when support was introduced.
ACR 4.4, Adobe created/ updated new profiles for most of the supported camera models with this release of ACR.
Adobe Standard Beta, updated profile when the Beta of ACR 5.0 and LR 2.0 were introduced.
Adobe Standard, Updated profile for the final release of ACR 5.0 and LR 2.0. This then is the latest profile created for your camera model. I think it should be the closest to your camera standard.
Adobe did not create any other camera matching profiles Vivid, Neutral etc other than for the more popular Nikon and Canon models. I have an Olympus so I am in the same boat.

Canon 5D Mark II, Photoshop CS3 and Lightroom 2.4

All,
I know that this has to have been answered elsewhere, but I have not found what I'm looking for.
I have purchased a new Canon 5D Mark II camera which will arrive Wednesday. As far as software on my Mac Pro, I have Adobe Creative Suite 3 Design Premium, which includes (obviously) Photoshop CS3. I am also running Lightroom 2.4. I am under the understanding that in order to open RAW files from the 5D Mark II, you need to have Adobe Camera Raw 5.X, which is not supported by Photoshop CS3. I also understand that Lightroom 2.4 CAN open the 5D Mark II RAW files. First off, are both of my statements to this point accurate? If so, can I use Lightroom to open the RAW files, do whatever adjusting I would like in Lightroom, then export the modified file (in TIFF, for example) to Photoshop CS3, and go on my way? Or will this not work?
If the answer is no, what are my options for using the software that I have with my Canon 5D Mark II? Am I REQUIRED, now, to upgrade to Photoshop CS4? If so, can I buy the CS4 Upgrade for Design Premium, if my CS3 Design Premium is the Education version?
Thanks for any help on this...I'm hoping to avoid spending any more money than I need to in software just to be able to process images from my new camera. I'm sure I could always use the Canon supplied software to open the RAW files, but I'd prefer to do so in the Adobe family of programs.

cabasner,
I upgraded to CS4 when I got my 5D2, and I can't stress enough how much better CS4 is. It's worth the upgrade even if you didn't get the 5D2. It's more stable that CS3, and ACR is insanely better (as is the Bridge... that's actually usable now!). ACR in CS4 has Adjustment brushes for Exposure... that's right, touch-up areas in ACR and it's totally non-destructive. Vibrance has been added also. In PS, your Dodge & Burn tools have a totally new algorithm which works so much better it's nuts. You even have a Legacy checkbox to see the difference. With the insane amount of image data in the 5D2, those tools work very well. You also have OpenGL support in CS4 now, which means you can view the image at any percentage and it looks like 25/50/75/100. And since your graphics card is now used, Photoshop CS4 is FASTER. And with the Clone Tool you can see what will be put down on the image inside the tool's circle, BEFORE you press the mouse. Talk about an easy way to line up the edit! Oh, then there's all the Adjustment layers... man, talk about a non-destructive time-saving edit! And the panels now stay off to the side, not covering up the image anymore. There's more, I'm, not even remembering everything. Adobe got PS right with this version. I would spring for CS4 in a New York minute, it's the perfect partner for our 5D2s.

Would Photoshop CS3 and Lightroom 3 work on mavericks?

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Photoshop CS3 and Lightroom print discrepancies

Hello,
I am having an issue with printing from Lightroom. I have a profile for my printer/driver/inkset that I have used successfully with Photoshop. When I print an image in Lightroom with the "profile manages" using this profile with the same driver, the image is dark. the exact same image exported from Lightroom to Photoshop prints beautifully with the same driver/paper/inkset.
I have double and triple-checked my driver and lightroom print settings but cannot find anything that appears out of whack. I use a saved pre-set to ensure that my printer driver settings are identical each time.
Does anyone have any ideas?
thank you,
George Pappas

Thanks for the additional information, Andre. Your symptions seem to point to the same underlying cause of the problem that I have experienced even though your particulars are different.
I have been quiet on this issue becuase I have been involved in a "deep dive" through the problem with Adobe Technical support and by trying to make sense of the other causes/effects/workarounds found by members of the Lightroom and other forums. For now, I do not have a solution yet, but hope to have more tangible information and a solution to post within a couple of weeks.
I have been through four tech support interactions with Adobe and one from Canon. Unfortunately, these calls were less than satisfactory. While the people on the phone were nice, there very unhelpful and primarily engaged in "pass the buck" behavior by claiming the problem was somewhere else. The last support call with Adobe lasted 40 minutes with a very nice fellow who gave me USELESS feedback and directed me to a knowledgebase article that had nothing to do with my real problem.
Let me be clear, I am a 20+ year software industry veteran and understand the complexities of this stuff. It is obvious that Adobe and Canon cannot put fully qualifed (and expensive) people on the first point-of-contact for support issues. However, they should have a reasonable escalation procedure that routes a problem of appropriate complexity to a highly qualifed person after a reasonable number of support attempts are unsuccessful in solving the issue. So far, this has not happened and is very frustrating to me.
Here is what I know of the underlying cause of the issue thus far. It appears to be caused by the interaction between Lightroom, the operating system's color management, and the printer driver. In essence, each of us are getting prints that are "double" or "triple" color managed even though we are trying to select one color managment workflow for our output.
Photoshop/InDesign and other adobe applications use their own color management engine called ACE. Lightroom does things differently and uses the computer's operating system CM functions. I believe this why my prints continue to look good when printed out of Photoshop yet look lousy (too dark) when printed from Lightroom. Lightroom is making assumptions when it sends a print data stream to a printer driver that doesn't yield the same result becuase each operating system performs color management tasks somewhat differently and print drivers from Canon/Epson/HP also do not use the operating systems CM functions the same way. For Mac users, if you add the printing engine architecture change from of Mac O/S 10.4 to Mac O/S 10.5 you throw an additional level of change into the equation which is not helpful.
So, where does that leave all of us who have this problem? I believe that for a given print driver/profile/operating system, Adobe will need to provide us with a workaround that will result in quality prints. To do this means that someone in Adobe who has the knowledge has to put together a specific recipe of options that work for the major printer manufacturers/OS's/printers. The long run solution will, unfortunately, occur over time as Adobe modifies how Lightroom makes certain assumptions when it sends print data streams to printer drivers and printer manufacturers will update their printer drivers to be more bulletproof regarding operating system color managment differences.
Sorry for the long-winded message. Unfortunately, this is one of those seemingly simple problems that has a lot of underlying complexity and does not yield a "one size fits all" solution. I will keep this group updated on what I learn as I work with Adobe.
Best,
George

Lost changes to DNG when opening in Photoshop CS3

I am losing changes that have been made to DNG files when opening these files in Photoshop CS3. I added my Canon CR2 RAW files to Lightroom, made changes to the images in Lightroom (exposure, contrast, color correction, etc) and then exported the images as DNG files. Now, when I open any of these DNG files in Photoshop CS3 or Lightroom 2.1 all of the changes are completely lost. Does anyone have any idea what could be causing this?

Thank you for your replies to this problem. Yes, I did in fact upgrade to ACR 4.6 on 10/07. The problem that I have it that only a few of the thousands of images I worked on remain in Lightroom at this point. I worked on the files in Lightroom, exported them as DNG files to retain the changes and then removed them from Lightroom.
I have narrowed the problem down to a specific date of 10/21. I noticed that all of the DNG files that I am having problems with were modified on this date and will not open in ACR while retaining the changes I made in Lightroom. If I go through my backup and pull the same DNG file prior to 10/21, it opens in ACR perfectly and retains all of my Lightroom modifications.
What I want to determine here is two things. One, how to recover the Lightroom information in the DNG files that have been corrupted so the file opens in ACR as intended. Two, how to prevent this from ever happening again. I am happy to post samples of the problematic DNG files, as well as, the older backup versions that are working correctly. Any insight to this issue would be greatly appreciated.

LR 2.1RC - Still No Dialog Box w/ "Edit in Photoshop CS3" Option

I downloaded Lightroom 2.1RC today and installed it with reserved enthusiasm, hoping that I could finally get the options popup box to display when I choose "Edit in Photoshop CS3" after right clicking a photo. I still have the same problem I did w/ 2.0: after right clicking a photo as mentioned above, specifically a RAW file, and choosing "Edit in Photoshop CS3" from the popup box that appears, instead of getting the options list where you can choose whether to open a copy of the file with lightroom adjustments, etc. it just exports the raw file directly to photoshop without converting it to my chosen format of psd. I've also tried setting the conversion file format to tiff and this didn't work either. I get an image on the photoshop desktop that has the .cr2 file extension appended to it. Apparently no conversion was done by lightroom. I'm running the following:
Pentium 4 3.0 GHz
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Thanks for your quick reply, Jeff. If I understand your explanation, what I'm experiencing sounds like expected normal behavior. However, that doesn't explain why the options box comes back when I choose Photoshop as an additional editor and go that route.
I remember getting the options dialogue box when I chose "edit in Photoshop CS3" in Lightroom 1.4.1. Have they changed the process used to send an image to Photoshop from Lightroom in v2.0?
I did happen to pull up a post from another user who was having the same issues I describe here and this is the response he got:
"KED, this is fixed with PSCS4, due out soon. CS4 was the first to have such integration and to get it the provided 10.0.1, So it is an evolving dance between the two. This is a CS thing, not a LR one. PSCS, needs the right hooks for the pass off to happen, AFAIK, and the come more completely with CS4!
Don"
Sounds like the issue may lie on Photoshop's side of things?

Photoshop CS3 doesn't open or error occurs, when you Edit in Photoshop CS3 from Photoshop Lightroom 2

Problem: When you try to Edit in Photoshop CS3 from Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 2, Photoshop CS3 doesn't open, or after Photoshop opens, you see the error message, "Photoshop could not be launched".
This issue is currently being investigated. At present, there are two possible areas that might be causing this issue. Corrupted metadata or a corrupted catalog, or Photoshop CS3 has not been updated to 10.0.1, or the update did not apply correctly to the application.
We are working for a permanent solution for this issue.
Workaround: Please refer to this Adobe
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"FIX IT OR SEND ME MY MONEY BACK NOW!!!!"
This is a user to user forum, there is no one here to make a refund. Who are you SHOUTING at!!

Clipping in Photoshop CS3 rendered Differently in Lightroom 1.4.1

I called Adobe Tech Support in an attempt to get an answer to my question about why Lightroom (version 1.4.1) seems to show more clipping of an image than viewing clipping of the same image in Photoshop CS3 by using a curves adjustment (show clipping box checked). They did not give me a reasonable answer.
I typically import my images into Lightroom, then make adjustments there, export to CS3 as 16-bit tiffs in ProPhoto RGB Colorspace, then make further color and contrast adjustments in Photoshop. My monitor is calibrated using a Colorvision Spyder2. Color management settings in Photoshop are as follows: ProPhoto RGB Colorspace, US Web Coated (SWOP) v 2, Gray Dot Gain 20%, Spot Dot Gain 20%, Color Management Policies are to preserve embedded profiles for RGB, CMYK, and Gray, profile mismatches are to ask when opening and when pasting, and to ask when opening images with missing profiles; Conversion options are Engine Adobe (ACE), Intent Relative Colormetric, Use Black Point Compensation checked, Use Dither (8-bit/channel images). There are no items checked under advanced controls.
I view proof setup using the same paper profile in CS3 and the print module of Lightroom (perceptual intent, black point compensation checked, simulate paper color and simulate black ink options are unchecked unless being viewed full screen) Sometimes I also use the rendering intent of relative colormetric with black point compensation checked. I am seeing evidence of more clipping almost always in Lightroom (Develop and Library Modules both) than in Photoshop CS3. I understand that the Library Module uses Adobe RGB colorspace rather than ProPhoto, but I still see more clipping in the Develop Module view of the same tiff than its clipping representation in Photoshop CS3. There is a substantial difference (not a small one) in the amount of clipping shown.
I understand that Lightroom Develop Module is using a Perceptual intent and that the default option in Photoshop is absolute colormetric, but I still do not think this completely explains the problem, especially since I have the soft proofing set up to use perceptual intent most often. By the way, I never check the box for preserve RGB numbers.
Can anyone explain why the difference in clipping shown and which one should be taken as more accurate: Lightroom clipping rendering or Photoshop CS3 clipping rendering?
Please note that I ultimately export the final images as jpegs (8-bit) in srgb colorspace before posting on the web. These photos are ultimately ordered from an online printer (usually from Mpix).
Thanks for any help you can give me. Best wishes.
Bob

Hi,
Thanks for your responses. In answer to Jao's questions:
Yes, I turn on the clipping warnings in Lighroom (shortcut j). I am viewing a 16-bit tiff in ProPhoto RGB (that has made the "round trip" from Lightroom to Photoshop CS3 and back again to Lightroom) in Lightroom using the clipping warnings. The clipping shown in CS3 using the adjustment, curves, show clippings are much less than what is shown using the clipping warnings of the same 16-bit tiff in Lightroom.
My workflow is to import Canon Raw (using sRGB, rather than Adobe RGB) into Lightroom. Make color, sharpening, tone, ect. adjustments in Lightroom, then export to Photoshop CS3 as a 16-bit tiff in ProPhoto RGB colorspace. I make additional adjustments to color, tone, skin tones, noise, touchup, sharpening, ect. and then save the file. It reappears again in Lightroom. When I have the clipping warnings on (shortcut j), this tiff appears to have considerably more clipping than on a curves layer showing clipping in Photoshop. Ultimately, I then export these same photos as jpeg (8-bit)in srgb and post to the web where they can be ordered from an online printing service such as Mpix.
Thanks for any help you can give me.
Bob

Lightroom and using the Edit in Photoshop CS3 Options

Today, I installed Lightroom v1.1 and Photoshop CS3 v10.0.1 I have an issue...Using Lightroom, I import a photo (JPG) into LR Library. Then, I right-click the photo and select the option to Edit In Photoshop CS3. This opens a window within Lightroom and there are three available options concerning What to Edit. Two Options reference Edit a Copy and One Option references Edit the Original. The two referencing Editing a Copy always says Lightroom cannot prepare the file for editing and that the file cannot be opened. If I select the last option to Edit the Original, that photo is brought into PS CS3 for Editing.
This is also the situation with files TIFF and PSD.
This is also the situation if I use a different Photo Editor other than PS CS3.
I have read the user manual and if I read correctly, the Two Options which do not work should also work. Or does my thinking need correction?
I would appreciate someone helping me with the understanding of this issue.
Thanks.
James

Thanks to you both. I do appreciate your responses. Please keep them coming.
I think Judith has a point.
I believe I should be able to Import a JPG from somewhere (HD, Floppy Drive, CD Drive)into the LR Library and then call upon Photoshop CS3 to Edit that JPG. If I am not incorrect, when reading the Lightroom Documentation, I see where this action is supported.
The action is: Right-Click a JPG (also TIF and PSD as well) in the LR Libary. From the menu presented, select Edit in the Adobe Photoshop CS3. A new Window appears from which to select either of two Edit a Copy Actions (with LR adjustments or without LR adjustments), I alway receive a Warning Window saying: Lightroom was unable to prepare the selected file at C:\Documents and Settings\My Name\My Documents\My Pictures\photo.JPG (or TIF or PSD) for editing. It will not be opened.
If I select Edit the Original, the photo is brought into CS3 for editing. This selection is the only one which work. I wish to point out that the Copy File Options are grayed-out with the Edit Original Selection. And, the Copy File Options are NOT Grayed-out with Copy Options.
In summary, if Copy File Options available, the JPG (or TIF or PSD) will not be prepared by Lighrooom for editing in CS3. My Copy File Options show TIFF and PSD pnly; no JPG. If I read correctly, I cannot Copy a JPG for editing into CS3. What I do not understand is if I have a TIFF or PSD in the Library, the Copy Option still fails to execute. The point John has made about RAW requires me to look into that aspect. I need to know more about that.
Can anyone right-click a JPG in the LR Libary. Then select Edit in CS3. Then use either of the two Copy Functions Selections for the action of that JPG being prepared by LR and brought into CS3 for editing?
This action will not work for me.
I do plan to update my version soon.
All replys and suggestions are welcomed.
Regards,
James

Lightroom 1.2 has lost Photoshop CS3 as external editor

In Lightroom 1 I used Photoshop CS2 as external editor and lightroom has found it with the first choice of external editors.
In Lightroom 1.1 I used Photoshop CS3 as external editor and lightroom has also found CS3 in the first choice of external editors. CS2 was deinstalled.
Now I have Lightroom 1.2 and this version doesn't automatically find cs3. I have only installed lightroom 1.2 and have nothing done with the installation of cs3.
How can I solve the problem, because I want to have two external editors?
Achim Guhr
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Try the following link. The upgrade to 1.2 lost track of CS3 for me too. I fixed it by editing the registry as outlined in the article.
http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=kb401629&sliceId=1

Lightroom 1.1 - Adobe Camera RAW 4.1 (Bridge, Photoshop CS3) problem

Dear all,
I am having some problems with the appearance of files developed in adobe lightroom 1.1 or in adobe camera raw 4.1 from e.g. bridge or photoshop cs3. When developing in lightroom the images look great, however when using acr 4.1 and the same xmp sidecar settings imported from lightroom, the image in acr looks very pale in comparison. For example when using the export into photoshop option in Lightroom, the image in PS3 looks very pale to the one in lightroom. The same problem persists with developing using ACR 4.1 from bridge. I have turned autotoning in ACR off. Also in the color management of PS CS3, the desaturate checkbox is UNchecked.
I am using an icc profile for my 30" cinema display, calibrated with colory eyes pro and a spyder2.
Has anybody had similar problems with ACR 4.1 or am I just doing something horribly simple wrong?
Thanks for your help!
Immanuel

Thomas,
thanks for your reply. In Mac OS X Preview the images look all good and very much like what I see in Lightroom. In any case not as pale or like with a slight white overcast to what I see when using ACR 4.1 from Bridge or Photoshop CS3. In PS color settings, preserving embedded profiles is checked. Yes, it seems to me as well that this is some color management issue. The 30" Cinema display was calibrated using Color Eyes Pro and Spyder2 to Gamma 2.2 and 6500 temp. However, even when reverting to the standard Apple color profile for the monitor, the problem persists.
No luck so far...
Immanuel

Adobe photoshop CS3 versus adobe photoshop lightroom 2.3

I already own adobe photoshop CS3. Is it worthwhile to get adobe photoshop lightroom 2.3? Is it easier to use?

You can check out some of the free Lightroom tutorial videos here
http://www.adobe.com/designcenter/lightroom/articles/lir2am_videotutorials.html
to get a sense of how workflow goes in Lightroom, and what Lightroom can do. I also agree that taking the free trial is going to give you a better sense of whether Lightroom will meet your specific needs than any answers you'll get here.
Lightroom is considered to be more newbie friendly than Photoshop. All arts editing programs, as far as I'm concerned, if they're any good, have a learning curve to master the features, and Lightroom is no exception, but LR's learning curve does tend to be less steep than Photoshop's for many users.
Many forum members who do have extensive experience with both programs have posted here that they now do the great majority or all of their editing with at least most of their images in Lightroom. Photoshop still has things it can do that Lightroom cannot do or cannot do as well, so it's not uncommon for people to post here that with an image that needs something exceptional, they'll still go over to Photoshop and put in some heavy duty editing time there. Adobe has made bouncing back and forth between the two programs easy. But often with Lightroom, you can make an image quite good with just a minute or two of edits, once you quickly get the hang of the program, and it offers many advantages in organization of large blocks of images.

Plug-ins in Photoshop CS3 Extended are disabled when editing a photo from lightroom

When using Lightroom 1.4.1 and editing a photo dng in Photoshop CS3 Extended alot of my plug-in filters are disabled. Please Help! I am on a IMac Version 10.5.3, 2.16GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 1.5 GB SDRAM. I have everything updated. I have also tried different photos that are not in lightroom and I have no problem with photoshop then.

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Why does Lightroom color not match when editing in Photoshop CS3

I just started Using Lightroom 4, the only version of lightroom that I have used. Short version, saves me heaps of time. But I went to edit more in photoshop and noticed that the color is dramatically different. I have Photoshop CS3 (10.0.1)and the color space is ProPhoto to match lightroom. If I make edits in lightroom, say removing dust spots, it shows in the photoshop version. It seems that on the shadow side is where it really shows. My workflow would be to import as original RAW in lightroom 4 (canon 1d mark II) and go about editing. Right click to edit in Photoshop CS3, and this is where colors go crazy. Then if I save the file with no edits done in Photoshop and compare side by side in lightroom, they are completely different. What is causing the drastic difference?
These are screenshots where in the left screenshot the original image is the dark image and the lighter is what it looks like when opened in Photoshop. The compare in lightroom on the right screenshot is what it looks like when I saved the file from Photoshop. So how does opening in Photoshop, then hitting save change the image? If i make the edit in lightroom then export the jpeg and open in photoshop, I get the appropriate color, exactly the same as my original lightroom raw.
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photoshop preferences are to preserve embedded profiles.

Just to make sure we're talking about the same thing, when you "Edit in" Photoshop CS3, it should give a warning dialog that says the version of ACR in Photoshop isn't compability, with the option "Open anyway" (won't work well) or "Render in Lightroom" (which should be fine). Or, if you've created your own "Edit in" preset, you should get the option "Edit a copy with Lightroom Adjustments".
So long as you've chosen "Render in Lightroom" or "Edit a copy with Lightroom Adjustments" (depending on how you've edit up "Edit in...") then colour should be OK.
Colour options in PS should be something like:
Check all the "Ask when..." options, just to make sure you get warned of mis-matches. And I suggest the RGB policy should be "preserve...".
And the final thing: to be sure of no colour mis-match, you need a calibrated/profiled monitor (with a hardware tool like Spyder, ColorMunki, Eye-One etc). When there isn't a monitor profile containing a colour space (which needs a hardware tool, generally) then different programs can make different assumptions and display the same image differently.

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