PHOTOSHOP CS4 bit mode compatibility

I have files in RGB and their bit modes are deactivated so I can't add another RGB photo (in 8-bit mode) into that file nor can I deactivate the bit mode in the photo to match the main files. How to I make these two images compatible??? Please help!

Are you sure you are not in "Multichannel" mode?
That's the only way I can think of of not having the option to change bit depth.
Could you post a similar screen shot?
Even better, can you post a link to one of your affected files?
Wo Tai Lao Le
我太老了

Similar Messages

Photoshop CS4 (64bit) & Win7 x64 problem fixed

I just wanted to post this to help anyone who might be having this problem.
Here's the problem. When you use Photoshop's lasso tool, you can press ALT at the same time, and it would turn into a magnetic lasso tool that you can use to make straight lines.
Well, what would happen is that I would be making a selection, and then suddenly the screen (both screens, as I'm using a dual screen setup) would flicker, and the selection would complete by itself, and I would be SOL, as, obviously, the selection is not what I wanted.
I could replicate this without fail. I'm halfway done with making a perfect selection, and bam!, this crap happens, and I have to start all over again. It happens ALL the time, no matter what Photoshop setting I used. Photoshop was completely updated, and all my device drivers (video card, mouse drivers, etc.) were all at their latest. So I started looking outside Photoshop, as I was thinking it might be another software problem.
After much trial and error, I narrowed it down to Task Manager. I had Task Manager running in my tray. If I closed Task Manager (not minimize, close), restarted Photoshop, and made my selection using the lasso tool, the issue would go away, but would come back randomly.
The fix? Run Photoshop CS4 in Vista compatibility mode. This solves the problem completely.
I know a lot of you will probably say that you have Photoshop CS4 running flawlessly on Win7 x64, but I have 3 computers, each with completely different configurations, one of them being a laptop, that I was able to replicate this on. Once I ran Photoshop in Vista compatibility mode on each computer, the problem was completely solved.
So I hope this helps anyone who has run into this problem.

I confirm he is a blond wanna be.
function(){return A.apply(null,[this].concat($A(arguments)))}
Hudechrome wrote:
It won't work for me. I never used Vista.
(I will neither confirm or deny I am a blonde!)
Thanks for sharing.

Windows 7 switches to Basic when Photoshop CS4 in Full Screen Mode

On my system, Windows 7 Ultimate x64 with NVidia GTX 280 with the latest drivers, latest Windows Updates etc Windows switches to ugly Basic Mode whenever I switch to fullscreen mode in Photoshop CS4. When I switch back from fullscreen mode - Windows enables Aero back.
This wouldn't be a problem but this switching blacks out both my displays and is extremely annoying, not to mention unnesessary - I can run Crysis in windowed mode and Aero is on. Why switch to Basic for Photoshop? Are there any workarounds? Please don't suggest switching to Basic mode when PS in started.
I also would like to keep OpenGL drawing enabled (when it's disabled the above issue is gone).

Ya, I know a different card but:
I am running a ATI 5870 on Windows 7 64 bit with PS CS4 Extended and there are no issues like that at all.
Try running this free driver sweeper after removing the Nvidia drivers and then reinstall the Nvidia drivers again. Sometimes chunks of left over drivers remain casuing all sorts of issues.
Not to mention that CS4 was out way before Windows 7. So maybe using the newest Nvidia drivers is not the best set for CS4 and Windows 7. Example is the 95 series broke CS4 Bridge on Nvidia cards.
http://www.phyxion.net/

Photoshop CS4 SDK and 64-bit Windows

Will there be an SDK for 64-bit Windows or do we just use the CS3 SDK and compile plug-ins in x64 mode?
Does CS4 support both 32-bit plug-ins and 64-bit plug-ins when the 64-bit version of Photoshop is installed?

Well, now that Photoshop CS4 has released, we have some answers. Yes, there is an SDK at http://www.adobe.com/devnet/photoshop/sdk/. Yes, both 32-bit and 64-bit environments are supported on Vista-64. This is done by installing 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Photoshop.
Nicely done!

Make 32 bit Photoshop CS4 the default instead of 64 bit?

It was a bit of a surprise to find that none of my 32-bit plugins would work with Photoshop CS4 x64. Most seem to work fine in the 32-bit version of PS though. Is there a way to make the 32-bit version launch by default from Bridge or when opening a PSD file instead of the 64-bit version?

I encountered this issue today as well when I installed Photoshop CS5, and discovered that my usual plugins do not work properly.
They did work properly while running in 32 bit mode.
Windows 7's extension definition sucks, that's why I rather work with the registry.
So after a bit tweaking, I think I finally cracked it.
The "Final Product" (if you will ) is two reg files for toggling 32 and 64 bit modes.
A word of caution: This is what worked on MY machine (Windows 7 64 Bit) and I cannot gurrantee it would work on other computers, nor do I take responsibility for any damage that my occur. We are playing with the Registry here, so BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL.
These codes assume Photoshop is installed in the default location. If you've altered it, make sure to modify the files accordingly first.
Before attempting to use I recommend to create a restore point, just in case something may go wrong.
Here we go:
To switch to 32 bit mode, open a blank notepad page, paste the below code and save it as "fix.reg" (NOT TXT). After saving, activate it and you're good to go.
32 Bit Mode
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Applications\Photoshop.exe]
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Applications\Photoshop.exe\shell]
"FriendlyCache"="Adobe Photoshop"
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Applications\Photoshop.exe\shell\edit]
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Applications\Photoshop.exe\shell\edit\command]
@="\"C:\\Program Files\\Adobe\\Adobe Photoshop CS5\\Photoshop.exe\" \"%1\""
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Applications\Photoshop.exe\shell\open]
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Applications\Photoshop.exe\shell\open\command]
@="\"C:\\Program Files\\Adobe\\Adobe Photoshop CS5\\Photoshop.exe\" \"%1\""
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\DefaultIcon]
@="C:\\Program Files\\Adobe\\Adobe Photoshop CS5\\Photoshop.exe,1"
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\Insertable]
@=""
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\protocol]
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\protocol\StdFileEditing]
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\protocol\StdFileEditing\server]
@="C:\\Program Files\\Adobe\\Adobe Photoshop CS5\\Photoshop.exe"
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\shell]
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\shell\edit]
@=""
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\shell\edit\command]
@="\"C:\\Program Files\\Adobe\\Adobe Photoshop CS5\\Photoshop.exe\" \"%1\""
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\shell\open]
@=""
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\shell\open\command]
@="\"C:\\Program Files\\Adobe\\Adobe Photoshop CS5\\Photoshop.exe\" \"%1\""
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\shell\preview]
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\shell\preview\command]
@="\"C:\\Program Files\\Adobe\\Adobe Photoshop CS5\\Photoshop.exe\" \"%1\""
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\shell\print]
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\shell\print\command]
@="\"C:\\Program Files\\Adobe\\Adobe Photoshop CS5\\Photoshop.exe\" -p \"%1\""
Now, if you want to revert the changes, do the same procedure with the below code, and it should make 64 bit the default once again.
64 Bit Mode
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Applications\Photoshop.exe]
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Applications\Photoshop.exe\shell]
"FriendlyCache"="Adobe Photoshop"
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Applications\Photoshop.exe\shell\edit]
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Applications\Photoshop.exe\shell\edit\command]
@="\"C:\\Program Files\\Adobe\\Adobe Photoshop CS5 (64 Bit)\\Photoshop.exe\" \"%1\""
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Applications\Photoshop.exe\shell\open]
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Applications\Photoshop.exe\shell\open\command]
@="\"C:\\Program Files\\Adobe\\Adobe Photoshop CS5 (64 Bit)\\Photoshop.exe\" \"%1\""
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\DefaultIcon]
@="C:\\Program Files\\Adobe\\Adobe Photoshop CS5 (64 Bit)\\Photoshop.exe,1"
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\Insertable]
@=""
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\protocol]
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\protocol\StdFileEditing]
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\protocol\StdFileEditing\server]
@="C:\\Program Files\\Adobe\\Adobe Photoshop CS5 (64 Bit)\\Photoshop.exe"
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\shell]
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\shell\edit]
@=""
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\shell\edit\command]
@="\"C:\\Program Files\\Adobe\\Adobe Photoshop CS5 (64 Bit)\\Photoshop.exe\" \"%1\""
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\shell\open]
@=""
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\shell\open\command]
@="\"C:\\Program Files\\Adobe\\Adobe Photoshop CS5 (64 Bit)\\Photoshop.exe\" \"%1\""
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\shell\preview]
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\shell\preview\command]
@="\"C:\\Program Files\\Adobe\\Adobe Photoshop CS5 (64 Bit)\\Photoshop.exe\" \"%1\""
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\shell\print]
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Photoshop.Image.12\shell\print\command]
@="\"C:\\Program Files\\Adobe\\Adobe Photoshop CS5 (64 Bit)\\Photoshop.exe\" -p \"%1\""
Reminder: If you're not sure, DON'T USE IT.

Photoshop CS5 TWAIN plugin not working in 32-bit mode

I'm having trouble scanning via TWAIN in Photoshop CS5. I'm on an iMac running OSX 10.6.6, My Scanner is an Epson Perfection V350, and after installing the latest driver and an online chat with an Epson rep, they told me to download the latest Photoshop TWAIN plugin from the Adobe site, then run Photoshop in 32-bit mode.
I tried that and the option to scan finally appeared in the import menu and the Epson Scan interface appeared. However, upon trying to preview or scan, the whole lot crashes.
The Epson Scan program works as a standalone app, so the problem clearly lies within Photoshop. However I want to scan in Photoshop, not the clunky standalone app!
Is there anything else to try?

I would say it's more likely that there is a problem with CS5 and/or the new TWAIN plugin.
Epson claim that since their application works standalone, than it's not at fault.
Photoshop CS4 worked fine - I could scan via TWAIN perfectly. I've since removed the CS4 apps. And of course CS5 no longer supports it in the same way. Following Adobe's OWN recommendations of installing the TWAIN plug-in and running PS in 32-bit only led to complete software crashes.
Of course I can scan in Epson Scan on it's own, but after 15 years of happily scanning via TWAIN in Photoshop, I don't see why I should change my way of working to something that would be less convenient.
On another post I read something about having the correct TWAIN plugin - I could only find one for CS5 on the downloads page, so I assume I got the right one.

Photoshop CS4 - Converting bit depth on import

Photoshop seems to be converting pictures that I open to 8-bit from 24-bit: before the problem I think it was converting to 16-bit because Photoshop doesnt seem to support 24-bit but I cant remember.
I've been using Photoshop CS4 for about 4-5 weeks now without any problems and this just seems to have come out nowhere. The problem doesn't seem to be related to Camera Raw at all because I don't use it to import my pictures, so the "Workflow Options" don't seem to have any effect on the converting. I've also tried to delete the preferences file and that doesn't help either.
Any ideas?

Photoshop doesn't convert bit depths or color modes when opening documents, unless there is an unsupported bit depth (like 12 bits/channel) in which case we convert upward (to 16 bits/channel).
It would help if you told us what file format you were talking about, and what you mean by "24 bit".

How to get to 32-bit mode in Photoshop on Yosemite

Having a problem. I need Photoshop to run in 32-bit mode in order to access "Lighting Effects". Photoshop users will know what I'm talking about, it's unavailable and greyed out in 64-bit mode. But I don't see the option to select it. My understanding is that it should appear under General: "Run in 32-bit Mode" but it's clearly not there. Is there another check box or something somewhere else I need to check in order to gain access to them? Do I need to do a 32 bit kernel install or something?
This is Adobe's response. It's for CS5, but the information is still valid. It is kind of frustrating though that they haven't brought lighting effects to 64-bit when they've now had CS5, CS6, and multiple versions of CC to get it done.
Still, I don't see the 32-bit check mark and Apple's support documentation says it should be there. I don't know if Firevault interferes with it or not. I am running regular HFS+ (not case sensitive).

Resolved.
Basically the old method doesn't work anymore and the only way to use Lighting Effects is to down sample the image to 8-bit. It's an unsatisfactory work around, but it's the only alternative I have.

Is there a way to open photoshop cs6 in 32-bit mode on a windows 7 64-bit system.

I was wondering if there is a way to open photoshop cs6 in 32-bit mode on a windows 7 64-bit system, because photoshop won't recognize the pen pressure on my graphics tablet (yiynova msp19u) I read that some users got it to work in 32-bit mode on macs, and all my other programs like zBrush, art rage, sketch book pro recognize the pen pressure on the tablet.

well I am going to assume that the application marked photoshop is the 32-bit application, since the other on is marked 64-bit and I don't see one 32-bit. in any case it still not recognizing pen pressure and i have the newest drivers. The only thing I can think of now is that wacom drivers are interfering with it some how since they don't get along, although I was pretty sure i got rid of all wacom software.
Sigh, it's starting to look like I have to format my computer

64 Bit Photoshop CS4 running on 64 Bit WIndows 7 - does it work for anyone?

Hi,
Is anyone running 64 BI Photoshop CS4 running on 64 Bit WIndows 7 without any problems? Mine is totally unusable due to wild erratic brushes (clone, healing, eraser and more). I have had zero success with Adobe. Two weeks after posting a support incident, they finally responded with an answer that had absoutley nothing to do with my support ticket. Unbelievable. SO maybe I'll get another response in 2 more weeks.
I have another thread that explains my problems, but that is not the purpose of this post. For this I am interested in what configurations people are using with 64 bit CS4 and 64 bit Windows 7, especially, what graphics cards are you using in the situations where there are no problems. I will even buy new graphics cards, because I have to. I cannot work as is.
Is anyone using dual graphics cards successfully with 64 bit Win 7 and 64 bit CS4. if so, what cards?
Thanks

PS CS4 does not support dual cards (or dual GPU cards) so the other card in the case is not being used.
Set up is simple:
M4A79T delux MB
8 gigs of corsair dominator ram timings 8,8,8,24 2T CMD4GX3M2B1600C8
AMD 965 Quad 140 watt
ATI 5870 with 9.11 drivers
PS CS4 Extended 11.0.1 update
Simple USB keyboard
MS Comfort Optical 3000 mouse
Windows 7 professional 64 bit plus updates. Aero turned on.

For BPC how to enable Wow6432 compatibility to run in 32 bit mode on the 64

Dear friends
I am going to install BPC 7.0 so I want to enable following issues on my windows OS 64Bit
"If you run this on 64 bit hardware, you must configure it to enable
Wow6432 compatibility to run in 32 bit mode on the 64 bit system"
can any tell me solution as soon as possible
regarads
krishna
Edited by: krishna murthy on Feb 24, 2010 11:24 AM

hi,
as you read, your BPC was designed for NET1.1 which build under 32bit platform while NW AS ABAP needs 64 bit environments to run. wow3264 is to enable your 32 bit application to run on 64 bit platform in this case BPC NET component can run on 64 bit. wow3264 is windows registry keys. so you can find it in the registry value using regedit.msc.
may this help you.

64 bit Lightroom 2.5 work well with 32 bit Photoshop CS4?

Anyone know if 64 bit Lightroom 2.5 works well with 32 bit Photoshop CS4? Any problems or conflicts? Or should I stick to 32 bit Lightroom 2.5?

It works fine, but the default will be to use the 64bit version of CS4 (which is also installed along with the 32bit version).
If you want to use the 32bit version of CS4 the easiest way is to open the 32bit CS4 before sending files from LR. I only have a few plugins that don't have 64bit versions, so I mostly use the 64 bit version of CS4, but occasionally I do use the 32bit version and that's how I do it.

Photoshop CS4 - How to install both 64 and 32 bit versions on XP 64

Hello-
When I installed Photoshop CS4 along with the other apps on CS4 Web Premium I thought that both versions of PShop would be installed by default, but that was not the case with my installation; only the 64 bit version was installed.
Now I would like to install the 32 bit version but when I try to do it through setup I am unable to check the box. There is a list of "Installed Products" and then "Available Products"; the only thing under "Available Products" is Photoshop CS4, but I am unable to check the box.
Any ideas on how I can install the 32-bit version? I want it for the GPU acceleration and to use certain plugins.
Thanks,
Paul

a)re: built for XP64 - note that I said "gave the [erroneous] impression," meaning that someone could plausibly infer that PSCS4 64 will not run reliably on XP 64, which is categorically untrue. I am NOT saying that there are not people who have had problems and will continue having problems with PS CS4 on XP 64.* However, I am personally attesting - having worked with PS CS on my XP 64 system a lot since buying it this week, including continuously since I reinstalled last night ( I tend to work at night) - that PS CS4 runs gloriously on XP 64, INCLUDING the OpenGL stuff once you patch the reg via the link I posted (which, by the way, would have been a valid answer to my question).
On that note, telling me stuff that I already know is NOT a valid answer. Further, as we have seen, my running this on XP 64, as opposed to Vista, was irrelevant, if only (but not really only) because that is not the system to which my question referred. How did telling me about Vista help? If you don't know what to do with XP 64, then you don't know....I didn't know either, at least when I posed my question. Your reference to Vista was POINTLESS.
b) re: installing to non-default directory. I have been doing this for so long that I can't remember not doing it, and I have never, ever had a problem like this, and I do have other dual-bit depth apps. This should be a non-issue. If I thought it was relevant I would have mentioned it, but in light of what I just said, it did not seem to be a factor. Crikey- CS3 is in that same directory! Why would Adobe's installer get confused? They are the same structures, i.e. %disk%:\Program Files, %disk%:\Program Files (x86). If you knew things that might cause my problem - you didn't-you might have asked about my install.... Instead, you told me what anyone who had read my question would already know that I knew, namely that there would be two different locations for the two different versions. Incidentally, and here's good intel here, when you do get them both installed, you get BOTH versions listed in your Adobe CS4 whatever edition programs folder. Right there! So, if you had known what you were on about, you would have realized that there was NO WAY that PS 32 was mysteriously hiding somewhere. This is another clue that you knew nothing about the subject you were purportedly answering!
So why, why, why am I picking on you? Because there was a time when you could post a simple question on the internets and some helpful soul would take the time to actually read and consider the question before giving an answer that, even if not ultimately fruitful, was at least in the freaking ballpark. But those days are gone** and even though I know that and I expect nothing, I posted anyway, and along came you, with two heaping helpings of SQUAT in terms of useful advice. What the hey? Are you that bored that you just dole out crappy advice? Watch more TV or something!
Jeez!
Thanks,
Paul
*My relevant system specs are as follows, for those who may want to give XP 64 a shot: and/or are having problems:
XP 64 SP2 ( there is no SP3 for 64 and parenthetically I will note that CS4 on XP 32 SP2 runs fine even though you get a warning on install that it is supposed to have SP3 installed)
8 GB RAM
AMD 64X2 5600 on AMD/ATI 780G Chipset with dual integrated ATI 3200 Graphic plus an extra ATI 3400 card running three different monitors (2 on the 3200 and one on the 3400). On my setup PS likes to enable and actually work with the OpenGL stuff when I launch either/or the 64 or 32 bit version on the monitor that is attached to the 3400 card. After that I can drag the app anywhere I want and it works.
** in July, as myself and my girlfriend were getting ready for our vacation, we posted on a location-specific travel group to ask if people knew if the hotel we were staying at had a safe for our laptop. We got like thirteen responses, all more or less to the effect that we should leave the laptop at home when we go on vacation. Not ONE answer about the hotel! WTF???

Photoshop CS4 64 bit - Clone Tool does not work (and other tools)

Hello.
I have been using Photoshop for many years going back to v5. I had used Design Prem Suite CS4 for the past year on an XP machine. All worked fine. I recently moved to WIndows 7 (64 bit) to get the add memory usage. CS4 installs both 64 and 32 bit versions on Windows 7 64 bit. So far all good. Any help would be GREATLY APPRECIATED. I am at a dead end and really have no confidence in getting Adobe's help.
My tools are working erratically, especially the cloning and healing tools. I can't even use Photoshop in its current state and this has been going on now for weeks, no help from Adobe on my lates support ticket post.
I canonly say that the clong tools is all over the place including but not limited to:
* When I sample and then click to stamp, lines shoot across across the image as it I clone a line not a single sample area. These stamps can be the length of the enite image.
* when I sample, then click to stamp, some the stamps occurs on some other part of the image.
* when I sample and the click to stamp, nothing happens. I have to click several times.
* when I sample and then click to stampl, the prior location I stamped has the clone applied
There are more, but this is to just give an example.
Notes:
* I have trashed preferences at least 20 times and the problem immediately reappears
* The problem happens in both the 32 bit and 64 bit version of PS running in Windows 7 65 bit
* The problem occurs with OpenGL tuned on and off
* I have installed the latest PC patch 11.0.1
* I have updated my latest NVidia drives. They are current.
* I uninstalled Photoshop (kept the rest of Suite) and that did not work, and the same problem reappeared. I am not uninstalling the complete suite but the reinstall has error (that is a separate issue)
* I have triple monitors running off 2 GeForce 9800 GT cards. These worked flawlessly before upgrading to the Windows 7 64 bit configuration. When I upgrades, I replaced the processor, motherbaord and moved to 12 GB ram. The graphic cards are the same.
Other tool issues:
* I have similar problems with the healing brush
* sometomes the text tool acts strange. I will click to enter text and a large area opens to enter text instead of just the cursor positioned ready for text. Then other times it works normally.
* the move tools sometimesacts strange. For example, if I try to move some test, the text jumps and moves of the image and I have to find it to drag it back on the image.
Thanks in advance

All I can say is... Boy am I glad I have an ATI card that just works (and that's including Photoshop CS4/CS5 32/64 bit)!
One thing I'm not sure was mentioned above... Try changing your Advanced OpenGL preferences to "Basic" or even turning off OpenGL to see if it affects the issue. Also try disabling the Show Overlay function in the CLONE SOURCE palette.
Best of luck getting to the bottom of these problems, guys. If they run on too long, consider switching brands.
-Noel

Adobe Photoshop CS4 64 Bit Crashes At Start Up

Hello.
Today I installed a fresh installation of Windows 7 64 Bit.
Installed Photoshop CS4.
At first both 32 Bit and 64 Bit worked.
After installing some Plug Ins the 64 Bit stopped working.
It loads, then I get an Error Message:
Runtime Error!
Program: C:\...
R6025
- pure virtual function call
Then off it goes...
I'm attaching the windows log.

In support case; Case #0181011167
A member of Adobe Technical Support stated;
"I would like to infor you that Adobe CS4 is not tested on 64bit
platform."
If I'm disseminating incorrect information, then it's information that's come from Adobe.
But it's nice to someone else is irritated by this.

PHOTOSHOP CS4 bit mode compatibility

Similar Messages

Maybe you are looking for