Photoshop Elements 10 & Lightroom 4

I am just getting started with processing my photographs and I am starting with Photoshop Elements 10. I am wondering if it makes sense to also use Lightroom 4. What benefits, if any, would there be from adding Lightroom 4?

The main benefit to using Lightroom will be if you're shooting photos using Camera RAW.
PSE10 includes the Organizer which is a separate application to catalog and organize your photos. Lightroom also catalogs and organizes your photos. Since you're just starting out, it makes a lot of sense to first learn PSE's Editor and Organizer. After you've gained experience with them, you'll be better able to determine if the cost of Lightroom makes sense for you.
Ken

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Photoshop Elements & Lightroom Set-Up

Hi!
I have Adobe Photoshop Elements 11, Premiere Elements 11, Lightroom 4, an external hard drive, and a MacBook Pro, but I'm not sure where to start.
1. I'm particularly wondering if I should download the software onto my computer, and put my photos onto the external hard drive (I thought it would be best to put my photos on the external hard drive, as to save my computer's memory, but am not sure if the software will be able to access the photos there)? What is the best set-up?
2. If the software on the computer can "find" the photos on the external hard drive, will the photos essentailly be saved onto my computer when I edit them with the software? If so, wouldn't this slow down my computer (or is there a way around this)?
3. Do these programs (e.g. Photoshop, Elements, Lightroom) work together? If so, how do I set them up to do this and use them this way?
4. How do I transfer the photos from my old computer to the external hard drive?
5. How do I transfer the photos from my phone to the external hard drive?
6. Do you have any other set-up or organization tips/resources?
Thanks a bunch!
A

I don't want to seem flippant, but that's exactly what I did - Actually I set up 2 presets here (one for Adobe RGB & one for sRGB).
As I stated previously, I set these up on 2 different computers (a MacPro and a MacBook Pro), each computer running a different version of OS-X (Lion & Mavericks, respectively).
I have successfully set up several external editors using various stand-alone programs - they all still work -- with the exception of Photoshop Elements 12.

What level of Photoshop (Elements, Lightroom, CS6) would I need

We have 8" x 10" radiochromic film (like conventional x-ray film, except that it self develops without chemical solutions) that has a reflective backing built in (doubles the path length through the sensitive emulsion).
I want to do a reflective scan (very easy with VueScan) and then do two things to the resulting TIFF file:
1. Use a histogram to adjust the black and white levels to optimize contrast for the image.
2. Change the greyscale range to a color range using a linear transformation (i.e., 0 = black, goes to red; 255= white, goes to blue) for easier viewing .
What level of Photoshop (Elements, Lightroom, CS6) would I need to do this?
Thank you

For simple file manipulation Photoshop Elements would be enough and in your case the best.

Photoshop Elements, Lightroom and Nik Software Lightroom Edition experience working together?

I have Photoshop Elements 10 and number of plugins, like Topaz Labs ones. I have also just acquired Lightroom. I do want to get CS5 eventually but that is not in the near future.
I am thinking of getting Nik Software's Complete Collection. It does not support Elements 10, but it does support Lightroom. So solution seems easy, just use it in Lightroom. That solution could also result in $200 saving as edition that includes support for Photoshop and Lightroom is right now $399 while one that supports just Lightroom (and Aperture but that is not of relevance to me as I am a Windows user) is $199.
However, I do not want to lose benefits of other plugins I have so going with solely Lightroom edition means increased going back and forth between Photoshop and Lightroom.
So question for those experienced with 3 of these together: Do you foresee issues with getting edition that just supports Lightroom? What things I might feel are missing / might frustrate me with this approach?

I’ve not used Nik Software but have used Lightroom and PSE together and the two programs integrate well. If Elements was already installed Lightroom should automatically recognize it as your external editor otherwise you need to set up external handling in Lightroom preferences.
I assume any changes made in Lightroom with a Nik plug in will register as part of the Lightroom Develop settings. Is that how it should work?
My usual routine is to highlight an image in the Lightroom Library and then
1) Press Ctrl+E to edit in photoshop - choose PSD with Lightroom settings
2) Image opens automatically in PSE Editor
3) Do further editing in PSE and press Ctrl+S to save an overwrite the Lightroom export copy. Click OK
4) Press Ctrl+W to close the saved PSD file which automatically updates the Lightroom thumbnail.
It all works quite seamlessly. Use the PSD copy in light room to export a jpeg or any other format of your choosing.

Photoshop elements/Lightroom differences

Can Lightroom do everything Photoshop elements does -- but more conveniently and easily, without as steep a learning curve?

THanks for that, Ian
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How can I integrate metadata and keywords in Lightroom with those in Photoshop, Bridge, and Photoshop Elements? In other words, is there a way to retrieve common metadata templates from all modules? Thanks!

Keyword and Metadata Integration throughout Adobe Modules

Thanks! That's helpful.
What I mean by "common metadata", is a unified, updated, most current metadata, which I could update in each program. That is without overwriting the metadata, but appending new keywords to the metadata I created in the previous program.
I use Bridge, then Lightroom and finally Photoshop. That's the regular workflow: Bridge for preliminary sorting and and adding some keywords; Lightroom for organizing and picking the best images; finally, Photoshop for processing. I got Photoshop Elements on trial. Doesn't work for my purposes.
I need to share and update the metadata / keywords when I go from one program into another. Can't retrieve metadata I set up in Bridge into Lightroom. Same happens with Photoshop, where I can't retrieve keywords I add in Lightroom. It's tedious to write up the keywords again.
Thanks for your efforts!

If I edit a photo in Photoshop Elements, I can't seem to re-import it back into Lightroom. If I open the relevant folder on my Mac the image is present, but Lightroom just doesn't "see" it at all.

For some reason, my (Mac) Lightroom 5 won't recognise images in folders on my Mac that I've edited in either Photoshop Elements or Perfect Effects 8. If I've previously imported images from a specific folder, Lightroom will show these as greyed-out images (as normal) but will not show other images I've subsequently saved in that folder. Similarly, if I, say, select three images from Lightroom to use the Photomerge option in Elements, the subsequent saved image won't be recognised by Lightroom.
I've tried moving locations, saving in umpteen different formats etc., but the problem persists. No problem importing existing images from either SD card or old folders on the computer.
It's very frustrating!

Ah-Ha! Right, think I've worked out the problem!
When I save a photo from Photoshop, I often place it on the desktop with a view to e-mailing it or posting it somewhere on the internet. I've just looked at the file that was supposedly saved as a .psd, but under "properties" it has no file extension. So I added the .psd and bingo, up it popped in the LR import window! I've since gone into Photoshop preferences & ticked it to add a file extension. That's really odd - I've never deselected that option but, hey ho, mystery solved.
Many thanks for your patience Mr Paige, I should have looked at this before. Put it down to advancing senility...

New Mac: Why are CC and Photoshop Elements not working when Lightroom and Reader are fine

Last week I changed computers (swapping an old Mac for a 13-in MacBook Pro Retina running OSX Yosemite 10.10.3. I copied all my data over to the new machine using Migration Assistant.
All programs work fine (including my copy of Lightroom 3 and Reader XI). But my CC and Photoshop Elements 10 do not. I have tried uninstalling both, but whenever I try to reinstall PE10 from its disk or download it just stops almost at the end. I then I get an "initiation failed" message, along with a request to download the now defunct "Support Advisor" app!
I cannot download Adobe Application Manager, or the CC desktop app either - for the former I get an "initiation failed" message, along with the "download Support Advisor" app" message again! For the latter I get a message saying "Adobe Creative Cloud Is Needed to Resolve this problem - however it is missing or damaged." Then I get a message and a link to download Creative Cloud. Then when I've downloaded it and I click on the installer... it runs for a bit and then I get the message again: "Adobe Creative Cloud Is Needed to Resolve this problem - however it is missing or damaged." And I get a prompt and link to download the CC app. Guess what happens next? And so it goes on. And on and on, in a tedious circle.
This is incredibly annoying and frustrating as I have work to do! Anyone have any ideas what's happening?
Cheers
K

do not use migration to install adobe programs.
you should uninstall and clean whatever you've done, Use the CC Cleaner Tool to solve installation problems | CC, CS3-CS6
then dl the cc desktop app to your new computer and use it to install your adobe cc programs, Download Adobe Creative Cloud apps | Free Adobe CC trial
if you have non-subscription adobe programs, use the installation files for them:
Downloadable installation files available:
Suites and Programs: CC 2014 | CC | CS6 | CS5.5 | CS5 | CS4, CS4 Web Standard | CS3
Acrobat: XI, X | 9,8 | 9 standard
Premiere Elements: 13 | 12 | 11, 10 | 9, 8, 7 win | 8 mac | 7 mac
Photoshop Elements: 13 |12 | 11, 10 | 9,8,7 win | 8 mac | 7 mac
Lightroom: 5.7.1| 5 | 4 | 3
Captivate: 8 | 7 | 6 | 5.5, 5 | 1
Contribute: CS5 | CS4, CS3 | 3,2
FrameMaker: 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7.2
Download and installation help for Adobe links
Download and installation help for Prodesigntools links are listed on most linked pages. They are critical; especially steps 1, 2 and 3. If you click a link that does not have those steps listed, open a second window using the Lightroom 3 link to see those 'Important Instructions'.

Lightroom or Photoshop Elements for administrating huge number of photos?

Dear photo experts,
at home, we have a huge number of photos we took over years. We are looking for a software able to organize all of them. We currently have:
Adobe Photoshop Elements 10 (Mac)
Adobe Lightroom 3 (Mac)
However, for organizing photos we so far use none of them but a third software (here, we are not happy about how it handles our huge catalog of photos).
Our photos are stored on a server (network attached storage), organized by date and event.
I read that Adobe Photoshop Elements cannot organize photos stored on a network drive.
Now my questions:
- Can Adobe Lightroom organize photos stored on a network drive?
- Is Adobe Lightroom capable to organize a huge amount of photos in one single catalog (separating them via tags)?
What are your experiences?
Thanks a lot!
JMickey

I read that Adobe Photoshop Elements cannot organize photos stored on a network drive.
I thought the opposite was true
Can Adobe Lightroom organize photos stored on a network drive?
As we say here in Rochester, NY, YES it can
Is Adobe Lightroom capable to organize a huge amount of photos in one single catalog (separating them via tags)?
Yes, this is one of Lightroom's strengths
What are your experiences?
I use Lightroom for all of my photo management (yes, I said ALL). I never use the operating system for photo management. Lightroom works great. People here in this forum who have much larger catalogs than I do (over 1/4 million photos) also use Lightroom to manage their photos.

Because I listened to Adobe earlier today about whither uninstalling Elements would affect Photoshop and Lightroom on my computer, Lightroom no longer sees Photoshop in the EDIT IN Menu of Lightroom. I found an article on the help site saying to delete th

Because I listened to Adobe earlier today about whither uninstalling Elements would affect Photoshop and Lightroom on my computer, Lightroom no longer sees Photoshop in the EDIT IN Menu of Lightroom. I found an article on the help site saying to delete the filecom.adobe.Photoshop.plist, which I looked for, its not there so it can't be deleted. The next step is to uninstall Photoshop and reinstall. This isn't an option because of all the plug-ins and modifications of the work space. Does any one have a better solution?

<moved from Downloading, Installing, Setting Up to Photoshop Lightroom>

I don't want to import PHOTOS. I want to get only one into Lightroom for temporary work. How do I do this. (the photo is now in Photoshop Elements).

Don't want to import all photos from my camera or anywhere else. I only want to work on one image then put it back into Elements. Please tell me how to do this and I would appreciate a detailed answer. Please do not be vague.

Lightroom is not a file browser, It isn't anything like the organizer in Photoshop Elements. Lightroom uses a catalog, which is a database. That database keeps track of the location of images that have been imported, as well as all of the adjustments that you make to those images using Lightroom. The import process is a process of showing Lightroom where the images are located on your computer. You can't just open an image in Lightroom, make changes and then close it. Lightroom doesn't make changes to the original image. Your images are left in their pristine state. All the changes are stored in the catalog. And when it comes time to share an image that has been adjusted in Lightroom you need to export a copy that includes all of those changes. It's a different workflow, and one that you need to become accustomed to. I suggest that you watch a series of short tutorials that will help you understand more completely how Lightroom works.
Getting Started with Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 5 | Adobe TV

"Edit in Photoshop Elements" does not appear as option in Lightroom 4.3

After viewing this artical:
http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/multi/edit-photoshop-command-missing-photoshop.html and completing all options related to the Mac, the "Edit in Photoshop..." still does not appear as a clckable option in my Lightroom 4.3 program which has all the current updates. Also, my Photoshop Elements 11 program also has all the current updates.
Please note that in the interest of time, that all of the "solutions" were attempted in the above mentioned link
Also, was on hold with Adobe Lightroom help phone support for over 1.5 hours without any agent answeing the phone. Also Adobe automatied phone support states that Photoshop Elements is not supported free of charge and it is fee based. How is a consumer suppose to have a problem corrected in Lightroom that stems from Elements when it is suppose to intergrate that way between the two programs but any help to try to correct the way it is suppose to work will cost you an addition fee in phone support for Elements?
And help on fixing this issue will be apprecitated.
Lightroom v 4.3 / Camera RAW v 7.3
Elements v 11.0 / Camera RAW v 7.3.0.71

Did this with Adobe support in LIVE CHAT, what a waist of time. Although this will correct the issue, it is like a work around and not solving why EDIT IN PHOTOSHOP... is not a clickable option (greyed out) in LR.
After the configure as suggested above, does this preclude and editing in Lighroom?
What I want to do is:
Edit the photo in LR except for:
the useage the great Spot Healing Brush Tool that PSE offers, edit that part of it in PSE then SAVE the results back to LR. Any problems or suggestions for this?
Thanks so much

When I take a photo and try to edit in Photoshop Elements 11 from Lightroom 4, it brings me to PSE 11 and opens the photo in there, but doesn't allow me to do anything - no layers, masks...anything.

I work on a PC - Windows Vista, and currently use Lightroom 4. When I try to choose the 'edit in' option and go to PSE11, it will go there and open the file, but it won't let me do anything with it. All the buttons/masks...etc are faded out and when I scroll over them a circle with a line through it comes up. Is there any way to fix this so that when I edit-in from Lightroom to PSE11 that I can actually use it? And if not, how should I save my files then so I can re-open them in PSE11? Would they need to be JPEGs, or something else? I shoot in RAW.
Thanks in advance!

Hillsitter,
I use a Windows PC and PSE Version 8.
However, I set up the link to PSE by going to Edit > Preferences and
clicking on the External Editing Tab.
I then clicked on the 'Choose' box and browsed to > Program Files > Adobe >
Photoshop Elements 8.0 and I then clicked on the Elements Organiser 8.0.exe
file to create the Link to the Elements Organiser. I could have linked to
the PhotoshopElementsEditor.exe file.
I know this will be somewhat different on a Mac but the principle should be
the same i.e. link directly to the .exe file.
I hope this helps.
Frank Clark

Lightroom versus PhotoShop Elements Organizer and Bridge

This is directed to the Adobe Developer Team
I hope someone of the Developer team is reading this!!
For my understanding the three products out of one house (PhotoShop Elements Organizer, Bridge and Lightroom) doing about the same, should ...
work the same (same idea, same behaviour, organizing by path/subfolders instead of cataloges etc.)
maintain the same database and files (LR should recognize the collections from BR and Vice Versa, use the same cache files etc.) and should
be compatible to each other (e.g. Tags, Collections etc)
Actually I suggest ADOBE
to eliminate Organizer and integrate the good functions into BRIDGE (e.g. albums, upload to flickr, webpage generation etc)
give BRIDGE as the free of charge picture organizer to PS Elements and to PS CS
change LIGHTROOM into an payable upgrade of BRIDGE with enhanced functionality of the free of charge BRIDGE, (which can work as a stand-alone software as it does today
better integration of PSE, PS CS into Bridge/Lightroom (e.g. Panaorama function opens only PS CS but the version of PSE works much better, so I want to choose in the menu of Bridge/Lightroom)
I am really struggling with the three of them.
Beside that I suggest to get rid of the Catalog idea of Lightroom with it's import/export and synchronization needs and instead use or at least integrate the idea of BRIDGE to get pictures structured and organized by path and subfolders, as this is anyhow how the way pictures are stored already for most of us... I asume. I doubt that anybody just throw all files into one big subdirectory and get the organized into cataloges. But please keep collections as they are helpful to quickly collect some pictures to commonly work on them. by drag & drop. The Catalogues of LR drives me crazy but LR have a lot of nice functions (e.g. Webupload interfaces to flickr and others, nice noice reduction, nice albums and webpage functions, etc.)
Thanks
Merry X-Mas and a Happy New Year
Georg
PS: Please all of you comment your experience and opinion on this matter ... I am interested what you think about it.

Hi George,
Whereas Bridge and Photoshop Elements (and most non-LR users) base their organisation on the file / folder structure, Lightroom uses files / folders simply for storage - the catalog is used for organisation. This 'catalog based approach' provides far more flexibility, both in organisation, and in recording a complete, fully-reversible record of all edits made to each photograph.
To suggest that Adobe "get rid of the Catalog idea of Lightroom" and "get pictures structured and organized by path and subfolders" would remove almost ALL advantages Lightroom has over Bridge & PS Elements combined. To fully appreciate Lightroom, you need to appreciate that files and folders are not the only way to organise photos. Why not watch a few of the Adobe Lightroom Tutorial videos? This link below takes you to a video explaining about the Catalog;
http://tv.adobe.com/watch/george-jardine-on-lightroom/the-lightroom-catalog/
However, if you really want Adobe to hear your views, why not raise a Feature request with them, at this link below;
https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform
I'm sure if you call your feature request 'Remove Catalog from Lightroom, and organise by Folders instead', it'll get noticed, as will any forum posts of the same name...
Cheers,
Alan

Do I have to deactivate my lightroom 5 installation before moving it to a new hard drive as with Photoshop elements 10?

I cannot find any way to deactivate my Lightroom 5 install prior to moving it to another hard drive like I did on my Photoshop Elements 10 .

There is no activation/deactivation process with Lightroom. Just install it on the new hard drive. You might need your serial number.

Lightroom Or Photoshop Elements 9

I am an amateur photographer and have used Photoshop Elements for a number of years. I currently have version 7 and I find the program extremely cumbersome and not intuitive. I know I should spend more time learning the program but what I am looking for is a straightforward easy/quick way to manipulate photos. I want to batch process my files, crop, fix red eye, adjust color and contrast, and add vignetting etc... Does anyone know if Photoshop Elements 9 is easier then version 7 or is Lightroom more intuitive?

I second this. I switched from another editor to LR3, and used PSE9 trial as you do, as a plug in for the 10% of photos that need a little extra (complex cloning etc.).
I have PSE6, but 9 trial sold me, so now that it's $49 (until Nov 30, $99 - $20 mail in - $30 "save2010" promo code) I am pulling the trigger on it right after I make this post.
I, like you have Martin Evening's LR3 book and it is EXCELLENT (I'm about 3/4 the way through), much better than muddling through trying to figure things out on my own. The book really lets me understand what is happening, and has great tips to get the most out of the program.
Martin, if you are lurking here, I must say well done! (I think I see Jeff Schewe here occasionally, perhaps he can pass that along!)
I will check out that PSE9 book that you have on your list next.
So, to the OP, I would say: BOTH! LR3 for organizing and 90% of your edits, and PSE9 for anything that requires pixel level editing. Both are on sale now until Nov 30th (LR3 is $100 off @$199 and PSE9 can be had for $49, so really, it's kinda a no brainer)
Cheers, and best of luck with your decision.

Photoshop Elements 10 & Lightroom 4

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