Photoshop - Motion - DVDSP Color Problem

This message is crossposted in the Motion Forum because I'm not sure where the solution is to be found...
I'm putting together a dvd and I wanted to create transition animations to go between the menus. I've run into a bit of a color problem, however. To explain:
I created my main menu as a layered photoshop document (8-bit RGB, NTSC colorspace). I brought that menu into Motion, preserving all layers. I animated those layers in motion so that at the end of the animation they were another menu on the dvd, then I exported the last frame of the animation, brought it back into photoshop, and made everything line up so that it precisely matched the final frame of the animation, then saved that PSD as a new layered document. Finally, in DVD Studio Pro, I brought in the two Menu PSDs and the animated transition.
The problem I'm running into is that the color on the transition animation is washed out and somewhat desaturated compared to the menu PSDs. Rather than the seamless transition from layered menu PSD to animation and back to layered menu PSD, you can see this altered color "pop" on the animation.
Here's what I've checked and tried:
-I've exported the motion project as every codec that made any kind of sense (Animation NTSC, Apple Pro Video NTSC, etc).
-I've brought the Motion project directly into DVD Studio Pro, rather than exporting it.
-Using the color inspector in both Photoshop and Motion, I can see that all RGB values match exactly as they should.
-When I exported a frame of the animation and brought it back into Photoshop to create the second layered menu, the color matched exactly. In fact, I did the alignment using the "difference" layer mode, and there was no color shift at all.
So... any ideas?
Also: I'm going from these layered menus to a video track (first frame matches the layered menu) to another layered menu (matching the final frame of the video track)... that is the most sensible way to have animated transitions between menus, right?
Thanks in advance for any insights.
-W

Well, I found a solution... DVDSP didn't like the image in NTSC, but it seems to work with Generic RGB, provided I redo all of the animation from scratch using the same Generic RGB PSDs. A bit of a pain, but I suppose that's why I did this test after completing only one of the many animations the project will demand.
Thanks everyone for the insights.

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    Original message
    From: twenty_one
    To: [email protected]
    Received: 2/10/2013 12:30:42 PM
    Subject: lightroom 4 color problem
    Re: lightroom 4 color problem
    created by twenty_one in Photoshop Lightroom - View the full discussion
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